The Russian-Pakistani $10 Billion Pipeline Will Promote Eurasian Integration

[maximuswarrior]

i see why we get the NATO cargo trucks going over your roads even though all aid has been cut

Yeah and you keep begging Pakistan to do more LOL

 

[maximuswarrior]

People like you are the reason we have terrorism stinky terrorist.

Reported.

 

[farok84]

So, if we are facing such a severe shortage for power generation, the prudent way is to look at alternate methods of power generation. Any foreign dependency is one more tool for arm twisting through sanctions in times of war.

Any alternate energy solution like solar and wind farms will require investments. Those investments if coming from foreign groups or private entities, will result in higher tariffs, and foreign dependency - in terms of operations and maintenance. Usually the foreign firms like to keep control of operations for atleast a 10 year term.

For now, we may have to bow down to oil king and try to get our economy stabilized in next year or two, after that we can think about investing in these projects through government financing. Hopefully by that time, we will have a clearer picture of dams construction and hydro power projects coupled with them.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Brother, that was one long post you wrote - appreciate it.

The North to South pipeline is from Karachi to Lahore, and is primarily for RLNG transportation.

Chinese will have to extend it to China (in north) and in South from Gwader (or the entering point of IP) to Karachi, I usually am very optimistic but this seems a stretch. Maybe they can find a better route through Balochistan and KPK, the terrain will make it very difficult but nothing that can't be overcome with genuine will.

Indians have suggested projected cost to be around $9 Billion (including compression stations and receiving terminal) and landfall price for gas to be ~$5 / mmbtu (including a tariff of 1.9%). When compared to LNG this will always be economical.

I absolutely agree on one thing - we don't have to care for India or it's economy. But we must take advantage of her paranoia to strengthen ours. We need to find gas sooner than later for our own economic growth - our discovered reserves are depleting fast, LNG from anywhere will remain an expensive option, so this next door gas seems very reasonable. For Pakistan, there's absolutely nothing to loose with this pipeline. Whether Indians circumvent our extended EEZ or go through our EEZ (and pay us some part of that 1.9% / mmbtu tariff), Pakistan stands to gain in both scenarios.

North South is the same one which is to be connected to eventually go to china in future, whoever builds it regardless.

And that 9 billion figure is an absolute lie........just use yr own head.....these underwater rocks r actually underwater mountains. Now they will have to put a pipeline infact a 2 way pipeline which connects chahbahar and omani pipeline off the coast of salala in international water, all while under sea, then take it across the most deepest parts of arabian sea/indian ocean spread across 1000s of miles into indian western coast, by even negotiating or finding solutions to tackle those under sea/rocks/mountains........Even the karakoram highway which was build by cutting the mountains or the future pipeline to china is going to cost far more then mere 9 billion to china/or whoever builds it. And all this was done on the mountains which were on land not under sea which will make it far more difficult and far far more expensive to either cut the under water mountains to make a route, then lay pipeline, sometimes going up the gradient or down the gradient etc etc all while under sea......


somebody is probably fooling 9 billion figures or was a typo error. Just ask a geology expert yrself as to how such grand projects are managed and how much they cost, both over land and under sea, specially when u have to negotiate mountains......Then u will have a fairly good idea of the magnitude, scale and costs of such projects.

 

[farok84]

North South is the same one which is to be connected to eventually go to china in future, whoever builds it regardless.

No, it is not. Gwadar to Kashgar is a different pipeline for crude oil transportation.

https://www.fwo.com.pk/news-info/la...hgar-cross-country-crude-oil-pipeline-project
https://tribune.com.pk/story/171288...-oil-pipeline-requires-10-billion-investment/

And that 9 billion figure is an absolute lie........just use yr own head.....these underwater rocks r actually underwater mountains. Now they will have to put a pipeline infact a 2 way pipeline which connects chahbahar and omani pipeline off the coast of salala in international water, all while under sea, then take it across the most deepest parts of arabian sea/indian ocean spread across 1000s of miles into indian western coast, by even negotiating or finding solutions to tackle those under sea/rocks/mountains........Even the karakoram highway which was build by cutting the mountains or the future pipeline to china is going to cost far more then mere 9 billion to china/or whoever builds it. And all this was done on the mountains which were on land not under sea which will make it far more difficult and far far more expensive to either cut the under water mountains to make a route, then lay pipeline, sometimes going up the gradient or down the gradient etc etc all while under sea......


somebody is probably fooling 9 billion figures or was a typo error. Just ask a geology expert yrself as to how such grand projects are managed and how much they cost, both over land and under sea, specially when u have to negotiate mountains......Then u will have a fairly good idea of the magnitude, scale and costs of such projects.

Please read the feasibility study by SAGE, they have a presentation on their website, studying that should have answered all your questions regarding seabed topography and proposed engineering solutions to challenges posed. The study is endorsed by DNV-GL, which has evaluated and qualified it as technologically feasible and is also endorsed by ASSOCHAM, India, which evaluated it to be economically feasible. I don't think they are fooling anyone. You can find and study it here; http://www.sage-india.com/

There are number of intervention techniques that can be employed both pre and post lay to negotiate geo-hazards and Gazprom is well equipped to do so.

Please read about BlueStream (and the tunnels they built for it), TurkStream and Nord Stream pipelines. BlueStream's offshore section (twin lines about ~390km) cost around ~$2B, TurkStream's (twin lines) around ~910km are touted for ~$13B and Nord Stream's ~1200km cost around $10B (for twin lines).

http://www.gazprom.com/projects/blue-stream/
http://www.gazprom.com/projects/turk-stream/
http://www.gazprom.com/projects/nord-stream/

Also, study the planned EastMed Pipeline, it's estimated cost is around ~$7.5B for 2200km long pipeline including ~1880km offshore section.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-cyprus-and-greece-push-east-med-gas-pipeline-to-europe/
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-gas-pipeline-to-europe-in-2019-idUSKCN1GK2OI
http://www.igi-poseidon.com/en/eastmed

I don't see how the estimated cost of $9B (including compression station and receiving terminal) is so outrageous for 1600km pipeline. SAGE actually quoted a price of $5.9B for Extended Route. Oman's route is an alternate route not the primary Iran to India route. Gazprom proposed route will be closer to the SAGE's extended route.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10160908637040363

@farok84 notice those tunnels and roading through them and then notice the beginning of this motorway too which is made by carving out that mountain......Now imagine all this to be done underwater at the area as wide as that portion of arabian sea(distance and depth etc)

In short i still have a lot of reservations abt this mere 9 Billion cost, no matter its compared to either turk stream, nordic stream etc etc.......the arabian sea's undersea topology is very different then baltic sea or black sea!

Im still not convinced abt only 9 billion thing.

I dont think they ever will be able to make it let go of its costs or long term maintenance..........Anyways lets see

 

[farok84]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10160908637040363

@farok84 notice those tunnels and roading through them and then notice the beginning of this motorway too which is made by carving out that mountain......Now imagine all this to be done underwater at the area as wide as that portion of arabian sea(distance and depth etc)

In short i still have a lot of reservations abt this mere 9 Billion cost, no matter its compared to either turk stream, nordic stream etc etc.......the arabian sea's undersea topology is very different then baltic sea or black sea!

Im still not convinced abt only 9 billion thing.

I dont think they ever will be able to make it let go of its costs or long term maintenance..........Anyways lets see

Maybe these can help better understand seabed interventions and pipe-lay methods that will be employed.

http://www.allaboutpipelines.com/Article/Seabed_intervention

https://www.iadc-dredging.com/ul/cms/fck-uploaded/documents/PDF Facts About/facts-about-seabed-intervention.pdf

https://www.jandenul.com/sites/defa...chures/Offshore_Services_Jan_De_Nul_Group.pdf

https://rules.dnvgl.com/docs/pdf/dnvgl/st/2017-12/DNVGL-ST-F101.pdf

https://brage.bibsys.no/xmlui/bitstream/handle/11250/183162/Herdiyanti, Jihan.pdf?sequence=1

https://allseas.com/activities/pipelines-and-subsea/pipeline-installation/