The rise and rise of Bangladesh

[Nilgiri]

At least Mr gandhi was away from power, that's the reason I respect him a lot.
Others also had to follow him, you are right.

Yah but he should have stood up and say "congress party is liberation party only...it will dissolve after independence (objective reached)"....or something like that. He missed that opportunity. Nehru also did not do it....and after that its too late.

A big opportunity for true fresh beginning was missed....for sake of creating political "knows better than anyone" monolith and "stability" (and worst using the liberation optics for enforcing internal political control later). It rings a bell I am sure in BD case.

India just got kind of lucky when its crooked witch lady of dynasty overreached and imposed complete autocracy. It created long term fissures for local parties to start forming and one eventually consolidated over time to take them on federally. Now there is at least a genuine competition somewhat...much remains to be done.

 

[VikingRaider]

Yah but he should have stood up and say "congress party is liberation party only...it will dissolve after independence (objective reached)"....or something like that. He missed that opportunity. Nehru also did not do it....and after that its too late.

A big opportunity for true fresh beginning was missed....for sake of creating political "knows better than anyone" monolith and "stability" (and worst using the liberation optics for enforcing internal political control later). It rings a bell I am sure in BD case.

India just got kind of lucky when its crooked witch lady of dynasty overreached and imposed complete autocracy. It created long term fissures for local parties to start forming and one eventually consolidated over time to take them on federally. Now there is at least a genuine competition somewhat...much remains to be done.

Yes you are right. But despite such cases, still Indian democracy is an ideal democracy for even extremely India haters ( of Bangladesh).
(And also medical services of India . ).
But yes if Mr gandhi and neheru would have done so ( or other points you said) , Indian democracy perhaps would be more elevated.
I wish if we only can achieve half of Indian democracy in near future , it will be a blessing honestly speaking!

 

[Homo Sapiens]

That could be. But surely 72-75 was the darkest time of Bangladesh. And 2001-2006 was next to it .
Although 72-75 regime was much worse. But as I said I don't blame mujib for it very much . He just failed to control his own peoples ( AL gundas) and later murdered by conspiracy of his own peoples.
And also mujib never should have sit on power after independence. If he would not be prime minister , he would be in very high position in Bangladesh.

Mujib was quite helpless controlling the chor-gunda of his party of that time. That's why he used to say bitterly, 'Amar daine chor, baye chor, shamne chore, pichone chor'
He called Awami League as ' Chorer dol, chatar dol.'

 

[VikingRaider]

Mujib was quite helpless controlling the chor-gunda of his party of that time. That's why he used to say,'Amar daine chor, baye chor, shamne chore, pichone chor'
He called Awami League as ' Chorer dol, chatar dol.'

Yes I totally agree. And now some fifth columnists are trying to glorify that regime as the best regime of Bangladesh. But we all understand that those peoples who now want to establish mujib as a deity, they were the real enemy of bongobondhu sheikh Mujibur Rahman.
We have a true example in present AL regime. A powerful minister who day and night do sycophancy of freedom fight, tag others as Rajakar, who danced on tank when Mujib was dead.
We have few fifth columnists in this forum too who indirectly declared our army as their opponents.
And even used quran verses and Hadiths, only to stop preventing our armies sending aboard, because army have chance fighting against other Muslims . And now writing bhater fan story! What type of lower class hypocrisy is this I have no idea. Let BNP win, they will change side immediately!

 

[Michael Corleone]

Credit goes to Zia ur Rahman, marhoom. Not scumbag BAL or la-hasina.

He did some really good works but none of those works are what’s come ontributing to the evonomy now. The last ten years have been essential. Should give her credit where it’s due.

 

[Nilgiri]

none of those works are what’s come ontributing to the evonomy now

NONE? Credit where credit is due and all....but none seems pretty extreme statement.

There is always something from any era contributing to today in some economic way....it is a pyramid that is built up over time....because you are levels higher now, doesnt mean you should think the levels far below you dont matter anymore.

 

[BrendaChristine]

I wonder why media is suppressing the "mass abduction", "secret killings" etc human rights violation issues.
It seems the AL has taken India's BJP policy to win this election: "Pay the media, suppress core issue, spread about development".
As a normal citizen, everyone's basic need is affordable living, peace and pure democracy.
Where is the democracy in Bangladesh? You just criticize the government and get punished. No matter who is ruling, but people of Bangladesh is witnessing no-democracy at all.

 

[Mage]

As a normal citizen, everyone's basic need is affordable living, peace and pure democracy.

How is pure democracy a basic need?
In a country where general people are illiterate, arrogant and corrupt and unable to think properly, and given the chance would vote for known criminals(no matter from which party), pure democracy cannot and mustn't exist in a country like that.

Democracy can flourish when the country is better of than it is now. When Hasina will be too old to rule and Khaleda will be gone.

 

[BrendaChristine]

How is pure democracy a basic need?
Democracy can flourish when the country is better of than it is now.

What makes you say "better than now"?
What is better now.

 

[Mage]

What makes you say "better than now"?
What is better now.

Better educated
Wealthier
Less Vulnerable (economically and politically)

And you need to answer how pure democracy is a basic need?

 

[Bengal71]

Yup close friend of mine has told me lot of the gory details of BAKSAL....and also I have discussed a bit with some members here too. Not a nice subject.



Yah hence why I bring up Washington example. Mujib could just be independent executive (say president or something like that) and stay outside politics completely (and let the competition and debate form there). Added bonus is no one can claim his legacy even decades later...and people purely judge more on merit etc.

In India too I wish after freedom movement achieved....founding fathers and founding party movements all turn independents etc (and let new parties with new debates grow)....and do not continue "as is" in next phase etc. Lot of dynasty/nonsense (against very concept of true democracy) would have been avoided....it is still lingering badly...what an off putting smell!

Where is dynasty in India apart from the Gandhi family? It's vibrant democracy, I would grab with two hands 10-15 years of slow growth for my country in exchange of strong democracy like India. Thank whichever God you worship for the democracy you guys have.

Credit goes to Zia ur Rahman, marhoom. Not scumbag BAL or la-hasina.

How is this credit of Zia? He did what he could during his short tenure but how is the rise of BD economy credit of Zia? BD economy really started rising in the last 15-20 years or one can say it started after restoration of democracy after Ershad era.

 

[BrendaChristine]

Wealthier
Less Vulnerable (economically and politically)

Wealthier! How?
Less Vulnerable (economically and politically)!!
Strange, while the ruling party is seeking the US intervene and Indian help you are saying Less Vulnerable!!!
Every Bangladeshi media is reporting about rise of terrorism activities till this reply, and you are claiming "less vulnerable"?

 

[Mage]

Wealthier! How?

Per capita income.

Strange, while the ruling party is seeking the US intervene and Indian help you are saying Less Vulnerable!!!

Where?

Every Bangladeshi media is reporting about rise of terrorism activities till this reply, and you are claiming "less vulnerable"?

Terrorism activities have risen everywhere in the world. Bangladesh is still doing better. Just look at other places of rising rising intolerance...i.e. India, Pakistan, Burma.

 

[Sam.]

Per capita income.

Where?

Terrorism activities have risen everywhere in the world. Bangladesh is still doing better. Just look at other places of rising rising intolerance...i.e. India, Pakistan, Burma.

There is no rising intolerance in India but hype media war which is a political stunt by Congress which they have every right to do as a opposition party.

 

[VikingRaider]

How is pure democracy a basic need?
In a country where general people are illiterate, arrogant and corrupt and unable to think properly, and given the chance would vote for known criminals(no matter from which party), pure democracy cannot and mustn't exist in a country like that.

Democracy can flourish when the country is better of than it is now. When Hasina will be too old to rule and Khaleda will be gone.

@Mage trust me, illiterates are not the real problem, but so called literates ( কুশিক্ষিত) are. Most of illiterate peoples work hard for food, and politics play very minor role in their life. Also they easily can be controlled by political or religious leaders.
The problem is so called educated folks because they are not properly educated.
So either our folks should be properly educated, or not educated at all. Atleast the country will do better I think! ( just kidding with extreme sorrow).