The Real Two Nation Theory Is Cultural

[Yaseen1]

division is only due to religion.if culture is reason then culture of our all four provinces punjab sindh balochistan and kpk is different and with this cultural logic each province will demand independent separate country

 

[Indus Priest King]

Its Ramayana, not Mahabharata, jeez.

Ramayana jeera vi hega...it was all written in the Ganga.

If you want to read about the history of the Indus Valley (Vedic civilization) then it's the Vedas.

division is only due to religion.if culture is reason then culture of our all four provinces punjab sindh balochistan and kpk is different and with this cultural logic each province will demand independent separate country

You clearly didn't read anything I wrote. You just have one mentality and refuse to steer away from it. The current "Islamic" Pakistan is what is ripping Pakistan apart. A cultural Indus nationalist ideology would ironically strengthen it.

Go meet your so-called "Indian Muslim" brothers...see how many of them curse Pakistan and ignore Kashmiri voices. LOL so-called "Ummah"...my foot.

 

[DarkPrince]

Ramayana jeera vi hega...it was all written in the Ganga.

If you want to read about the history of the Indus Valley (Vedic civilization) then it's the Vedas.



You clearly didn't read anything I wrote. You just have one mentality and refuse to steer away from it. The current "Islamic" Pakistan is what is ripping Pakistan apart. A cultural Indus nationalist ideology would ironically strengthen it.

Go meet your so-called "Indian Muslim" brothers...see how many of them curse Pakistan and ignore Kashmiri voices. LOL so-called "Ummah"...my foot.

Why don't you ask your super Muslim Kashmiri brothers that what will happen to Indian Muslims if Kashmir joins Pakistan ? Are they going to leave another Indian Muslims in the hands of nasty kafirs? Is that what Islam teaches ?

 

[Indus Priest King]

Why don't you ask your super Muslim Kashmiri brothers that what will happened to Indian Muslims if Kashmir join Pakistan ? Are they going to leave another Indian Muslims in the hands of nasty kafirs? Is that what Islam teaches ?

Who said anything about Kashmir joining Pakistan? That decision lies with Kashmiris...either way, I don't mind them even becoming independent, because an independent Kashmir would naturally still need Pakistan. All of the Kashmir Valley's trade routes come into upper Punjab, so from that perspective it doesn't matter.

Secondly, it's not my problem that Indian in an intolerant country. Neither Kashmir or Pakistan should be blamed for the aftermath that takes place. Kashmiris have been suffering for the past 70 odd years, and nobody bats an eye for them.

Now all of a sudden I'm supposed to care about Indian Muslims? I'm sorry. That's India's problem, not mine.

I'm not anti-Islam, I'm just saying...we need to put our country first. This Ummah stuff doesn't exist...never has.

 

[DarkPrince]

Who said anything about Kashmir joining Pakistan? That decision lies with Kashmiris...either way, I don't mind them even becoming independent, because an independent Kashmir would naturally still need Pakistan. All of the Kashmir Valley's trade routes come into upper Punjab, so from that perspective it doesn't matter.

Secondly, it's not my problem that Indian in an intolerant country. Neither Kashmir or Pakistan should be blamed for the aftermath that takes place. Kashmiris have been suffering for the past 70 odd years, and nobody bats an eye for them.

Now all of a sudden I'm supposed to care about Indian Muslims? I'm sorry. That's India's problem, not mine.

I'm not anti-Islam, I'm just saying...we need to put our country first. This Ummah stuff doesn't exist...never has.

Pakistan was created for Muslims of India. Not just for Kashmiris and punjabis. Or that dream died with Jinnah?

Now tell me if you don't care about Indian Muslims then why the fk should they care about you? But you are right Ummah is almost dead it only exist in Individual level. Majority so called Muslims are Munafiq just like you.

 

[Indus Priest King]

Pakistan was created for Muslims of India. Not just for Kashmiris and punjabis. Or that dream died with Jinnah?

Jinnah and the Muslim League supported the concept of the MUSLIM majority regions of the BRITISH INDIA colony becoming an independent country. Had nothing to do with the "Muslims of India". There was no India until 15 August 1947 anyway. So please correct your concept.

Now tell me if you don't care about Indian Muslims then why the fk should they care about you? But you are right Ummah is almost dead it only exist in Individual level. Majority so called Muslims are Munafiq just like you.

When did I state I wanted them to care about me? I grew up with this concept of the Ummah all my life...that Muslims supported Muslims. When I went abroad and joined the Muslim Student Association during university, I thought this Ummah would come to my aid when I wanted to raise awareness of Kashmir. They loved raising awareness for Palestine...but when I brought up Kashmir, nobody really was backing the idea...and low and behold, the Indian Muslim members were actually against it. What ummah?

I'm no munafiq...I'm a proud Indus nationalist, and I hope more Pakistanis join my cause. Enough of this Ummah nonsense...it's gotten Pakistan into way too much trouble already. Crica 1971.

 

[naveen mishra]

It is ENTIRELY religion.

Don't let racism dilute our Imaan.

only those can understand who spend sufficient time with other religion
a minor Muslim who is living in Hindu dominated area or Hindu who is living Muslim majority area

is been 13 year i am living and working in Muslim country , as per my experience culture difference difficult to categorize ,different people from different class behave differently , religion play the major role which easily can visualize and categorized

reality is difference in fundamental teaching which never allow you to accept , and top of that majority ego complex ,psychology and dominating tendency which make highly uncomfortable to minority

beaning Hindu i am comfortable with Buddhist chines,Japanese,Korean , culture is different but fundamental teaching bring us close , confidently i can visit their holy place without fear , but for other even thought docent come in mind

but i believe culture also play a wide role in micro level ,culture difference more complex to categorized,but it also has its brutal face

 

[Indus Priest King]

You are one confused mutt...

Do not mix Kashmir with Palestine. Palestine is holy for Muslims Kashmir is not. Kashmir is a border dispute. Kashmir is still better than rakhine.

Who the hell are you to tell me not to mix Kashmir with Palestine. What the heck is Palestine to me? I don't give a damn about Palestinians...I care about the people in my own backyard, a land that I happen to originate from too mind you. The Palestine issue is also a border dispute...Muslims living in Israel fight in the Israeli Army. Christians living in Palestine support the Palestinian Forces. What the heck are you even talking about?

Why would Indian Muslims support that? Are you ready to give a referendum in Baluchistan? And tell me if Kashmir joins "Islamic republic of Pakistan" are they going to get heaven?

How the heck do you compare Kashmir, an internationally recognized disputed territory to Balochistan? Are you out of your mind or something?

And for all this Islam this and Islam that, we could have sure used you in 1971. No point of talking big now.

Stay out of our internal affairs and don't tell ME how to react.

I am Pakistani first...and my Indus nationalist ideology comes first. I'm a proud son of the Indus.

 

[Indus Priest King]

I am the confuse mutt?
You are a quality chutiya yourself.

When i see it it's best for Muslims of India if Kashmir remains with India.

That's because you're a moron. Why should Kashmiris pay for India's intolerance? Kashmiris have every right to self determination. You're going to deny Kashmiris a right to self determination because it'll hurt the feelings of Indian Muslims?

What are you on crack?

 

[DarkPrince]

That's because you're a moron. Why should Kashmiris pay for India's intolerance? Kashmiris have every right to self determination. You're going to deny Kashmiris a right to self determination because it'll hurt the feelings of Indian Muslims?

What are you on crack?

Then why the fk your Kashmiri brother's using Islam as an excuse? They don't want to live under a kafir majority country, isn't thats the reason they want to leave India? Then tell your Kashmiri brother's that stop using Islam as an excuse.

 

[Indus Priest King]

Then why the fk your Kashmiri brother's using Islam as an excuse? They don't want to live under a kafir majority country, isn't thats the reason they want to leave India? Then tell your Kashmiri brother's that stop using Islam as an excuse.

They're not using Islam...they're Kashmiri nationalists. Have you ever heard of KASHMIRIYAT? This whole Islamist Kashmiri movement is India's way of trying to discredit the Kashmiri independence movement as a religious fundo movement.

Remove your head from your arse please and talk with some sense and logic.

Here's a group of Kashmiri nationalists...both are secular. Shehla Shora and Basharat Ali are quite outspoken Kashmiri nationalists within India. They don't talk about Islam...they talk about Kashmiriyat.

 

[Jackdaws]

They're not using Islam...they're Kashmiri nationalists. Have you ever heard of KASHMIRIYAT? This whole Islamist Kashmiri movement is India's way of trying to discredit the Kashmiri independence movement as a religious fundo movement.

Remove your head from your arse please and talk with some sense and logic.

Here's a group of Kashmiri nationalists...both are secular. Shehla Shora and Basharat Ali are quite outspoken Kashmiri nationalists within India. They don't talk about Islam...they talk about Kashmiriyat.

Not really. The movement for "azadi" is primarily driven by religion and the demand is restricted to Sunni Muslims of the valley. Pandits, Buddhists and Shias from regions like Kargil prefer to be with India.

Of course Sunni Muslims are still comfortably over 50% of the population.

Usually a fight for freedom is about rights - right to worship, right to buy property, right to vote, right to freedom of expression etc. That's why the world does sympathize with causes like Tibet or Mandela or Martin Luther King Jr.

While Kashmiris, especially those in the valley live under a huge military presence - people around the world see that India does not deny any rights to its citizens. India's military presence is a reaction to what happened in 1989 -so this so called "cause" is not going to get any traction around the world - even among Muslim countries.

 

[Indus Priest King]

Great, If they are fighting for "Kashmiriyat". Then what's the problem if someone fights for pathaniyat or balochiyat ?

I agree with one thing if referendum happens then everybody should get it not just Kashmiris, Just because it suits your agenda.

What part of United Nations Security Council Resolution 47 do you not understand? Kashmir has legally been given the mandate to decide its own future.

As for "Balochiyat" and "Pathaniyat" (words which don't even exist), but who said it was wrong? If there is a large enough support, any one of the nationalist parties in those provinces would have taken up the cause by now and made it a mandate for an election. To compare them to the Kashmiri cause just proves what a moron you are.

This is what happens when you wail Allah Allah too much. Read a book next time before discussing on matters you clearly have no knowledge on. And I don't need a Bangladeshi lecturing me on Islam...trust me...that's an oxymoron within itself.

 

[my2cents]

Nope. Dasyus were not ethnicities. Anybody could become one. Only they had to be organized, powerful criminals who broke Dharma.


It is the word of God. So yes.

Nationalism has completely destroyed communities in the entire Middle East, pitting one Muslim nation against another.

Even then we have Hindu Pakistanis who are trying to do the same in South Asia. You should be grateful. But you are encouraging conflict.

Tell me a time in history there was no conflict. None of the empires of the world which were powerful survived. Every border changed multiple times in history.

Change is the only constant in this world.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Tell me a time in history there was no conflict. None of the empires of the world which were powerful survived. Every border changed multiple times in history.

Change is the only constant in this world.

Regardless of the cliche regurgitated shit that you are spewing bharti, Pakistanis don't accept you as one of our own. Cry as much as you want.