The real hand behind anti-drone campaigns

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

.....Is military establishment.

The idea is to spread anti-drone sentiments in public....through media and some political parties, criticizing the,

1- violation of soverignity of Pakistan
2- Highlighting the collateral damage.

The aim and goal is to get drone technology from America. Through anti-drone protests and sentiments, military is pressurizing America that "look sir, people of pakistan are angry, they are angry at violation of their country's soverignity, they are angry at collateral damages.....anti-american sentiments are at peak...please hand over technology to us, when afwaj-e-pakistan will use it , then the targets would be eliminated without provoking pakistani public, they trust us"

Drones have minimum collateral damages, most of the deaths are of terrorists. But pakistani establishment propagate only the collateral damage on purpose, the effectiveness and achievements of drones are ignored, on purpose.

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[Jango]

through media and some political parties, criticizing the,

Which media and political parties?

Your whole posts rests on this, how is the military propagating there views through these two mediums?

The rest of your logic comes later...

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Which media and political parties?

Your whole posts rests on this, how is the military propagating there views through these two mediums?

The rest of your logic comes later...

- Imran khan aur religous parties ko isharay army sey miltay hain....iss may koi daki chupi baat nahi he.
-jub khabar banay gi, dharna hoga, drone ko maar giranay ki baat hogi..tou media isko report karega, iss par programmes karega...and public will watch it...

 

[Jango]

- Imran khan aur religous parties ko isharay army sey miltay hain....iss may koi daki chupi baat nahi he.
-jub khabar banay gi, dharna hoga, drone ko maar giranay ki baat hogi..tou media isko report karega, iss par programmes karega...and public will watch it...

And how exactly is Imran Khan supported by Army? Wouldn't he have won the elections then?

Even PML has left this rhetoric!

Bye bye.

 

[HAIDER]

just for the sake of drone technology , army will do this ? . Drone attack helping alot to Pak army. US take the ownership of this attack and save Pak army from the backlash of terrorist. Plus US help alot to secure the restive region, where Pak army avoid to go and don't want to be appeared . Its drone which is controlling TTP.

 

[474474]

THe media hates army, both army and media and IK and religious parties are only milking the pre-established anti drone sentiment (which is propogated from no where but mullas and online ttp sympathisers posting scary pics on facebook)

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

And how exactly is Imran Khan supported by Army? Wouldn't he have won the elections then?

Even PML has left this rhetoric!

Bye bye.

Pasha was supporting him... But personally imran khan has great love and admiration for Pak army, he listens to their briefings and point of view.

 

[Jango]

Pasha was supporting him... But personally imran khan has great love and admiration for Pak army, he listens to their briefings and point of view.

Oh yeah great!

 

[DV RULES]

And how exactly is Imran Khan supported by Army? Wouldn't he have won the elections then?

Even PML has left this rhetoric!

Bye bye.

Strange, people's memories are too short, "PTI" PASHA'S MIND CHILD.
PMLN left these true rhetoric because they already settled their issues with army so now it takes no importance for them.

 

[SQ8]

Pasha was supporting him... But personally imran khan has great love and admiration for Pak army, he listens to their briefings and point of view.

Listen man.. I dont support IK.. and yes I do agree he has some support from the Army but that is due to all the Army kids asking their daddies and uncles to help out. On an official level, the Army supports IK only so far as they see him as a "non-state actor" in pacifying the Tribal reigions.

There was official support in places like Karachi where the Army kept every other polling agent out of booths other than PTI ones but that was due to the actions of fathers for their kids and not an Army view.

Your contention that the Army is behind drone attacks would hold merit if you brought in the right facts.. or the right reasons.
Yes the idea would be to get hold of Drone tech but that is not the only reason. The reason is to continue to keep the pressure on the US of negative impact of Drone operations so that there is an international bargaining chip available...case in point: the Lady who interrupted Obama in his speech.

However, that does not warrant the Anti-Drone momentum to be completely controlled by the Establishment... they may take advantage of the sentiment but the simple fact is that people are sick and tired in FATA of walking calmly and then being thrown about from an explosion from a hellfire and find-out that their cousin who was at the Madressa for Quran(whether there was militant preaching there or otherwise) has been killed.

You are giving too much credit to the Fauj.. They are humans.. Aasman se nahin utre.

 

[DV RULES]

just for the sake of drone technology , army will do this ? . Drone attack helping alot to Pak army. US take the ownership of this attack and save Pak army from the backlash of terrorist. Plus US help alot to secure the restive region, where Pak army avoid to go and don't want to be appeared . Its drone which is controlling TTP.

One of truth from many more but TRUTH, There is nothing wrong with sovereignty of Pakistan because all these issues are settled with army. I don't now what force people to cry. Here only one issue which is that Pakistan has to get advance drone technology from US and bring it into operational because all this game of drones and sovereignty could be got to end in near future as people are getting more concerned so political command also could try to wash their hands from this dirt so army has to ready for this.

 

[Jango]

Strange, people's memories are too short, "PTI" PASHA'S MIND CHILD.
PMLN left these true rhetoric because they already settled their issues with army so now it takes no importance for them.

Rubbish, nothing more.

Let me make it clear once and for all, and I am saying this with full 110% assurity...Pasha did not do anything with PTI. In the beginning of PTI's emergence, Pasha was highly impressed with PTI and thought of Imran Khan as the guy who would take Pakistan forward and out of it's troubles, he tried to contact PTI/Imran Khan in the beginning and give them some sort of support (monetary and small time) but PTI did not take it. Imran Khan plainly refused.

But Pasha still thought of Imran Khan as the 'savior' and kept on bugging PTI to acknowledge Pasha. This went on for sometime and then Pasha got angry and left his opinion of Imran Khan...

In the start, there was some small monetary support and support through words and opinions, this lasted only a couple of months. Then both parted ways.

So ISI (rather Pasha) and PTI were in contact for only a few months...now keep quiet.

This PTI opinion was not ISI wide, it was only and only limited to one man, only Lt Gen Pasha, not the Deputy DG's, not the Brig's, not Station Commanders...only DG ISI Lt Gen Pasha and that wasn't even outright support, he tried to keep it quiet and subtle, try and start off small time, assure Imran Khan of his personal support, then go institution wide. But then that didn't materialize, Imran Khan refused...and Pasha left this thing and later went to be a Security advisor to somebody!!!

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Listen man.. I dont support IK.. and yes I do agree he has some support from the Army but that is due to all the Army kids asking their daddies and uncles to help out. On an official level, the Army supports IK only so far as they see him as a "non-state actor" in pacifying the Tribal reigions.

There was official support in places like Karachi where the Army kept every other polling agent out of booths other than PTI ones but that was due to the actions of fathers for their kids and not an Army view.

Your contention that the Army is behind drone attacks would hold merit if you brought in the right facts.. or the right reasons.
Yes the idea would be to get hold of Drone tech but that is not the only reason. The reason is to continue to keep the pressure on the US of negative impact of Drone operations so that there is an international bargaining chip available...case in point: the Lady who interrupted Obama in his speech.

However, that does not warrant the Anti-Drone momentum to be completely controlled by the Establishment... they may take advantage of the sentiment but the simple fact is that people are sick and tired in FATA of walking calmly and then being thrown about from an explosion from a hellfire and find-out that their cousin who was at the Madressa for Quran(whether there was militant preaching there or otherwise) has been killed.

You are giving too much credit to the Fauj.. They are humans.. Aasman se nahin utre.

I just connected the dots.
I was talking with my wazir friends and drone came into the discussion...they were entirely blaming Pak army for drone attacks...their point was that question arises why drones are mostly striked in north waziristan?....because haqqani network and foriegn militants openely operate in miranshah and mir ali with permission of Pak army....every local is aware of this fact ...... They also stressed on the point that drones are least of their worries, curfews by pak army in north waziristan week after week have paralyzed their lives....they are not migrating because of drones, but because of war between pak army and taliban....
Tribals have hundreds other problems and issues but its strange that in rest of Pakistan the focus is only on drone.

 

[muse]

Why think in terms of "either /or, Black/White"? Do policy makers think in such terms?

 

[airmarshal]

That is a big conspiracy theory. I do understand deliberate leaks and background talks to encourage media to air such things but I dont believe at all PTI is supported or given any feed by the military.