The Rafale deal and why it makes China nervous

[IND151]

Truth hurts doesn't it?



We have 6th gen under development. right now J-10 is more than enough to whoop any airforce.

You, Sir, posted that

2 squadrons of J-10 could take down entire indian airforce.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...-why-makes-china-nervous-5.html#ixzz2IbfA7SyQ

After that what response you do expect?

 

[ANPP]

MKI is 1990s technology. Even it's upgrades are insignificant and downgraded exports. MKI is inferior to the Jf-17. That was enough to counter the MKI for Pakistan. That's why the bought it.
MKI is just all media hype based on 1990s technology.
In fact our fighters are even superior to all Russian fighters.
Most American analysts admit our tech is now equal to advanced American tech in F-22 and F-35.

& waht the f-u-c-k is that.

BTW I will show you few facts here---

1)- MKI was costumise by sukhoi & HAL as per INDIAN requirment. As take its radar, PLAAF didnt has it answer. So they went to Russsia & try to find buy that tech, but didnt succeed.
PLAAF bought MKM2 later & crying that it better than MKI, but later Sukhoi conform that MKI=MKM2.
Again when Russian chose MKI standard in last few year to upgrade the older su30 instead of MKM2 & illustrating that MKIs are better than MKM2 later even give the order of total 60 mki.
Algeria & Malesia are vaious country who chooses the mki instead of MKM2.

2)- For your J11, Chines try to copy Su27 & give it name J11. But these initial models were rejected by PLAAF & give the order of 2nd batch of the Su27 even after the order of Su30MKM. Than chines make J11B, dont illuminate about it capability it nothing but Su27.

3)- If JF17 is so much capable than why PLAAF hesitate to introduce them.

4)-

 

[IND151]

Africa is a play ground for US and China. For China to sustain its economic growth Africa is needed and so the cold war there.

India is also eyeing African influence.

I know it.

Indian Companies already have done investment in Mali and has bought thousands of acres of land.

I hope our influence in Africa increases, but this and what you suggested earlier will take some time.

 

[SwatCat]

There is ZERO proof whatsoever in that clip that says that
It says our fighters are superior to everyone except the F-22 and F-35.

J10 is a single engine fighter which got defeated by J11 in recent chinese aero excercises.

J11 is a rip off of su 27 which is inferior to su 30 MKI.

I know it.

Indian Companies already have done investment in Mali and has bought thousands of acres of land.

I hope our influence in Africa increases, but this and what you suggested earlier will take some time.

yes may be 5 years.

 

[ashok321]

We have 6th gen under development. right now J-10 is more than enough to whoop any airforce.


Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...-why-makes-china-nervous-6.html#ixzz2IbgvHRwB

juxtaposition of contrasting hypotheses to give us a perception of balance?
No way Mr Pakistan.
Lol

 

[HongWu]

India is too poor to buy any Rafale. J-10B already entered service. Indians can verbally defecate but nothing else to change reality.

 

[Rocky25]

India is too poor to buy any Rafale. J-10B already entered service. Indians can verbally defecate but nothing else to change reality.

Oh is it so? Don't post stuffs for the sake of it!

 

[RIMPAC]

J10 is a single engine fighter which got defeated by J11 in recent chinese aero excercises.

J11 is a rip off of su 27 which is inferior to su 30 MKI.


yes may be 5 years.

J-11 is vastly superior to Su-27 or Su-30.
Russians are scared they will lose out in export orders to us.
MKI is barely 4th gen with outdated 1990s tech.
Dream on...

 

[indian_foxhound]

India is too poor to buy any Rafale. J-10B already entered service. Indians can verbally defecate but nothing else to change reality.

Hahahaha dude soon you gona wake up from your deam when you see rafale in india color

 

[ashok321]

India is too poor to buy any Rafale

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...-why-makes-china-nervous-7.html#ixzz2IbjYeZdT

I am sorry but it is a done deal, so dont do any mental masterbation on this any further, otherwise you will end up with the black eye on this thread.
Or the red nose lol.....

 

[RIMPAC]

& waht the f-u-c-k is that.

BTW I will show you few facts here---

1)- MKI was costumise by sukhoi & HAL as per INDIAN requirment. As take its radar, PLAAF didnt has it answer. So they went to Russsia & try to find buy that tech, but didnt succeed.
PLAAF bought MKM2 later & crying that it better than MKI, but later Sukhoi conform that MKI=MKM2.
Again when Russian chose MKI standard in last few year to upgrade the older su30 instead of MKM2 & illustrating that MKIs are better than MKM2 later even give the order of total 60 mki.
Algeria & Malesia are vaious country who chooses the mki instead of MKM2.

2)- For your J11, Chines try to copy Su27 & give it name J11. But these initial models were rejected by PLAAF & give the order of 2nd batch of the Su27 even after the order of Su30MKM. Than chines make J11B, dont illuminate about it capability it nothing but Su27.

3)- If JF17 is so much capable than why PLAAF hesitate to introduce them.

4)-

MKI is barely 4th gen.
J-11B has 5th gen features.
MKI is comparable to our 3rd gen J-7.

I am sorry but it is a done deal, so dont do any mental masterbation on this any further, otherwise you will end up with the black eye on this thread.
Or the red nose lol.....

You mean like the 1962 black eye?
Or the 1962 goo whooping?

 

[indian_foxhound]

MKI is barely 4th gen.
J-11B has 5th gen features.
MKI is comparable to our 3rd gen J-7.

Hahaha dream on hahaha base less point. Hahaha

 

[ashok321]

J-11 is vastly superior to Su-27 or Su-30.
Russians are scared they will lose out in export orders to us.
MKI is barely 4th gen with outdated 1990s tech.
Dream on...

Unless you have anything to substantiate on the above rhetorics of yours, its a misrepresentation of facts which you lack yourself.
Its like saying cats are better than dogs without giving any cohesive replies on that.

Please stop your word jugglery.

 

[SwatCat]

MKI is barely 4th gen.
J-11B has 5th gen features.
MKI is comparable to our 3rd gen J-7.



You mean like the 1962 black eye?
Or the 1962 goo whooping?

J10 is built based on a Israeli Lavi which is very old design



FACTS:

Maximum take-off weight:
Maximum take-off weight for the J-10 is 19,277 kg (42,500 lb) while the Su-30MKI's max. take-off weight is 38,800 kg (85,600 lb). So it means the Su-30MKI has more than double the take-off weight of J-10. Meaning the Su-30MKI can take lot more armament/fuel for extended combat purposes.

Engine:
J-10 has a single engine. It can be either the Saturn-Lyulka AL-31FN or Woshan WS-10A "Taihang" turbofan. Su-30MKI has double engines. Lyulka AL-31FP turbofans with thrust vectoring.
The J-10 with its single engine can produce a maximum of 129.4 kN of thrust with afterburners on. The Su-30MKI can produce a maximum thrust of 131 kN with each of its engines! That means a total thrust of 2x131=262 kN!!!
Again more than double than the J-10.

More take-off weight, more engine power!!! Now you must be feeling the J-10 is no match for the Superior Su-30MKI! Indeed!!!!!!!!

Maximum Range (without mid-air refuelling):
Su-30MKI - 5,000 km (2,700 nautical miles).
J-10 - 3,400 km (1800 nautical miles).


Su 30 MKI with 3D thrust vectoring and big radar can fry J10 electronics from a long distance.

 

[kurup]

MKI is barely 4th gen.
J-11B has 5th gen features.
MKI is comparable to our 3rd gen J-7.

oh puhleeeze chinese.
We don't need your comment or approval on anything.

You mean like the 1962 black eye?
Or the 1962 goo whooping?

No .....like the 1967 a$$ whipping .