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The racism against Black people across North Africa

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And these people call Europeans racist when they dont want Arabs in their countries!!!!

But I guess in this case it cannot be compared to Arabs in Europe, right?! Because these people are Black, so they are only Abeed, right?!
(Or as Pakistanis would say the Kaliyaa, right?!)
So it's not OK to oppose Arabs, but it's totally OK to hate the abeed / kaliyaa, right?!

But Muslims cannot be racist, right?!!
 
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And these people call Europeans racist when they dont want Arabs in their countries!!!!

But I guess in this case it cannot be compared to Arabs in Europe, right?! Because these people are Black, so they are only Abeed, right?!
(Or as Pakistanis would say the Kaliyaa, right?!)
So it's not OK to oppose Arabs, but it's totally OK to hate the abeed / kaliyaa, right?!

But Muslims cannot be racist, right?!!
Lop It's actually funny since from what I have heard from black people who have been to North Africa and Middle East. They say the people there are overall more racists than even anything they have faced in western Europe. Lol
I have been to several North African countries and I was surprised to see many people from there complaining about "Africans" coming to their country either for work or transit point to Europe. I was actually surprised since in my head me and my wife were like: "Is this not an African country?" Lol
The thing is many North African people don't consider themselves Africans, in fact in their mind Africans are the subsahran African ones I.e blacks. So they don't want to associate themselves with them, they consider themselves more like Arabs or as an Arab country not African.
Moreover, unlike what you are saying about raising a question about Muslim being racists . It has nothing to do with religion, people who are racists are simply racists irrespective of their religion..in fact religion plays little to no role in how people view other races. People have their own bias and preferences. I am abit inclined towards those that said religion is just a social construction – that is, that religion (particularly, belief in an interventionist or “moralistic” GOD, meaning a GOD interested in human affairs and morality) is something invented by society, in order to regulate its citizenry.

I actually often feel for black African countries/people. Basically nobody in any continent whatsoever that I've been to wants to associate themselves with them. It's same in the South American countries I visited. Its even worse in Argentina(probably one of the most racists anti black countries I have ever visited). Anyway, the world we live in is like that. We just have to deal with it. Life has never been fair and won't ever be. So no point crying about it.
 
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Why don’t we think of north Africa as part of Africa?​

Iman Amrani
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I’m Algerian but sometimes it seems that ‘black African’ is the only category that exists. In truth, through our shared history there’s a strong glue that connects us
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When a Guardian article stated that Chigozie Obioma was the “sole African writer” to be longlisted for the 2015 Booker prize, the journalist in question had clearly forgotten there was life north of the Sahara. Thankfully, the Moroccan-born writer Laila Lalami, who was also longlisted, was quick to remind him, tweeting: “I am African. It’s an identity I’m often denied but that I will always insist upon”.

I know Lalami’s frustration well. Every time I have to declare my ethnicity I am reminded that “black African” is seemingly the only category that exists. Being both Algerian and British, I am constantly explaining why I identify as European and African – as though I’m “choosing” to be African, rather than it simply being a fact.

In politics and academia, north African countries are commonly grouped with the Middle East under the umbrella of MENA. In conferences I have been to on “African” issues, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya and Egypt have often had tokenistic representation, if any at all.
But the identity equation isn’t as simple as Arabic speakers equal Arab people. There are still communities across the Maghreb that speak Berber or Amazigh and a dialect called darijathat heavily features French and Spanish phrases. Besides, being Arab isn’t an alternative to being African, or even black. Mauritanians and Sudanese can identify as all three at once.
The religion argument isn’t watertight either. Islam is the dominant religion in parts of east Africa and the Sahel, with notably large communities in Tanzania, Kenya, Nigeria, Senegal, Ethiopia and Eritrea. Perhaps then, it simply boils down to colour. Could it be that to be African is to be black? And if so, what shade will do? Are the South Sudanese, with a pigment that is dark, rich and beautiful, more African than their neighbours to the north, of lighter skin? Surely a categorisation based on race is too reductive and ignores the continent’s great diversity in nations, cultures and ethnicities.
A categorisation based on race ignores the continent’s great diversity in nations, cultures and ethnicities
That leaves the question of culture. At a party a Nigerian quizzed me about Algeria: “Is it conservative like Saudi Arabia?”, he asked. “No,” I replied. “It’s conservative like Nigeria.”
Whether through football, music or film, Algerians have more in common with Nigerians than Saudis. Ivorian coupé-décalé legends Magic System have joined forces with rai heavyweights Cheb Khaled and 113 as well as a number of lesser-known Maghrebi artists. During the African Cup of Nations, crowds cluster around televisions across the continent to see their national teams play, in an event that brings every corner of Africa together.
The migrant experience also unifies the continent. In France’s banlieues, immigrants from the former African colonies – north and south of the Sahara – share cramped conditions, as well as a sense of isolation and discrimination. The Arabs driving sports cars or shopping on the Champs Elysées are more likely to be from the Gulf states than from the Maghreb.
The town square of Beni Isguen, Algeria
The town square of Beni Isguen, Algeria. Photograph: Robert Hardin/Rex Shutterstock
Certainly there is something to be said about north Africans trying to distance themselves from “black Africa”. This is as much about sources of influence and power (after independence, countries like Egypt and Algeria looked to the Middle East for a model of an Islamic nation, or north to Europe for economic partnerships) as it is about the racism that exists here as it does everywhere else in the world.

Perhaps the glue that most strongly connects north Africa to the rest of the continent is colonial history. France’s colonial troops included soldiers from Algeria, Senegal, Mali, Burkina Faso, Benin, Chad,Guinea, Ivory Coast, Niger and the Republic of Congo. These Africans fought side by side in the second world war and the traces of this are still present in the collective memory of these countries. The British used soldiers from Egypt, as well as many from the other former colonies including Nigeria, South Africa and Kenya.

In 1962 north Africa and South Africa were both struggling against colonialism and apartheid when Nelson Mandela went to receive military training with the Algerian FLN in Morocco. In 1969, Algiers hosted the Pan-African culture festival. Historically, African nations have had shared struggles.
Of course, north Africa benefits from being linked to the Middle East, both for business and development. Saudi is in the top five trading partners both for imports and exports with Egypt, but this relationship shouldn’t be exclusive. Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya and Egypt share not only a colonial past with the rest of Africa, but also a physical continent. Although identity is largely subjective, some things are irrefutable and north Africa being in Africa is part of that.

 
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Lop It's actually funny since from what I have heard from black people who have been to North Africa and Middle East. They say the people there are overall more racists than even anything they have faced in western Europe. Lol

Brown people are definitely way more openly racist than Western Europeans
 
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Brown people are definitely way more openly racist than Western Europeans
Yet its actually funny that they cry foul and act as the worse victims when others treat them abit similarly. 😆
The thing is, as the saying goes: You can only know a man's real character when you give him money and power".
So only when a poor man now has money and the upper hand/in control can you see his real colour. Lol But they cry victim and act all innocent ans nice when they are in a weaker position. That's human beings for you, so hypocritical. 😆
 
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Don’t they still enslave black people in areas of Sudan and Chad? Of course the Arabs there probably look like light skinned black people though.
 
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It's actually funny since from what I have heard from black people who have been to North Africa and Middle East. They say the people there are overall more racists than even anything they have faced in western Europe.

This is the truth. Whites are nowhere near as racist as the middle eastern people in the present time.
 
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Lol As I said, no continent in the world(and i have been to all (5 continents) wants to be associated with black people. I will say they are the most despised race on earth. Reason I actually feel for them to be honest. Imagine you were black how that will make you feel.
It's funny that even Indians who are nowhere close to white , in fact there are even dark skin Indians, though even dark skin Indians are discriminated against as well. In fact even infias so called peaceful freedom fighter Guru was a known anti black racists. Lol

In short it seems dark skin/black is looked down upon almost everywhere, while white skin is worshipped. Everyone here knows that, though they might not want to admit it publicly 😆
 
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Arabs treat sub continent Pakistanis Indians Bangladeshi lesser than black Africans

We are at the bottom of the pile and all classed as Hindus in the gulf
 
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Arabs treat sub continent Pakistanis Indians Bangladeshi lesser than black Africans

And Pakistanis treat African Kaliyaa lesser than Indian Hindus!

Pakistanis always say they hate Indians more than anything else in the world, but that's a lie, you hate the African Kaliyaa way more, even if the Kaliyaa are Muslim!

If a conservative, momeneen Pakistani had to choose between marrying an African Kaliyaa Muslim and an Indian Hindu, the Pakistani would choose the Hindu over the Muslim!

If a deeply momeneen Pakistani had to choose between marrying an African Kaliyaa Muslim and converting to stinky Hinduism, the momeneen Pakistani would rather convert to stinky Hinduism, because his hatred of the black skin colour is 100-times stronger than his love for Islam!

So don't act like Pakistanis are less racist than Arabs, you are not, at least when it comes to the Kaliyaa, even if the Kaliyaa are Muslim!!!
 
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And Pakistanis treat African Kaliyaa lesser than Indian Hindus!

Pakistanis always say they hate Indians more than anything else in the world, but that's a lie, you hate the African Kaliyaa way more, even if the Kaliyaa are Muslim!

If a conservative, momeneen Pakistani had to choose between marrying an African Kaliyaa Muslim and an Indian Hindu, the Pakistani would choose the Hindu over the Muslim!

If a deeply momeneen Pakistani had to choose between marrying an African Kaliyaa Muslim and converting to stinky Hinduism, the momeneen Pakistani would rather convert to stinky Hinduism, because his hatred of the black skin colour is 100-times stronger than his love for Islam!

So don't act like Pakistanis are less racist than Arabs, you are not, at least when it comes to the Kaliyaa, even if the Kaliyaa are Muslim!!!

Clever girl had a lucky escape . 😁
 
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Lol As I said, no continent in the world(and i have been to all (5 continents) wants to be associated with black people. I will say they are the most despised race on earth. Reason I actually feel for them to be honest. Imagine you were black how that will make you feel.
It's funny that even Indians who are nowhere close to white , in fact there are even dark skin Indians, though even dark skin Indians are discriminated against as well. In fact even infias so called peaceful freedom fighter Guru was a known anti black racists. Lol

In short it seems dark skin/black is looked down upon almost everywhere, while white skin is worshipped. Everyone here knows that, though they might not want to admit it publicly 😆

Oh but they love their music and culture….No people have ever contributed more to popular culture than black folks.
 
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