The question of independent Pashtunistan —Musa Khan Jalalzai

[Leader]

its economically beneficial for the pakhtuns to be part of PAKistan then to be landlocked !!

 

[Jungibaaz]

Lmao....

KPK belongs to Pakistan.
Afghan dreams wont change a thing.
the people of KPK are true patriots!

independent Pashtunistan? - wet dream

 

[American Pakistani]

Afghanistan can only dream about getting this land because neither KP-NWFP & FATA disputed territories nor the Pakistanis living in those terroitories want indepandance or merger with Afghanistan. Also Afghanistan cannot get it by attacking Pakistan cuz Afghans know what power Pakistan possesses as we never lost any war with any nation in the past except one in which whole population turn against Pakistan.

 

[Watani]

then why should not we claim on Iran, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan etc because those territories were part of our empires and also why should not Iranians claim on our country because they ruled us for many centuries and our soil was part of their empire?

Wrora, you are adding oil to water. As far as I have read, Abdur Rahman hardly had any agreements or power regarding present day Tajikistan and present day Uzbekistan because those areas were under Turkistan, not Afghanistan/Khorasan. And Iran never 'ruled' over us, we were a part of one country and decided to split WITH the consent of Tajiks and even Hazaras. Us claiming Iran or Iran claiming us is same like Pakistan and India claiming eachother because just like Pak-Indo, even Afghanistan and Iran went through fights to separate. We weren't sold by Iran, nor did we sell Iran.

People might say that the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan have divided tribes and same people from each other, i would argue that the Tajiks also have been divided by the border with Tajikistan, Samarqand, Bukhara and Iran, we are the same people we are all persians/tajiks and there shouldnt be any border.

Once again, Tajiks back then in huge numbers joined Abdali to join Afghanistan/Khorasan, they weren't forced to. What do you think tribal areas of KPK are about? Have you got any similar tribal issues in Tajikistan or Iran? Even those governments who argue the contract is valid are eager to make Afghan government recognize it, the agreement by far isn't as black-and-white as you take it to be.

hope you agree with me this time that Panjdeh and its surrounding areas including historical Merv was part of the territory which was controlled by Afghanistan as a matter of fact it was our natural part of the country for centuries, during an attack by the Russians those areas were taken from Afghanistan and became part of Russian controlled territory----and this happened during Abdul Rahman Khan.

And now the question arises, did we lose that land during a fight, OR during an 'agreement'? Note that there is a massive difference between both and by no means do the same rules apply for either of our loss.

Is it a double standards? Is it hypocracy? or is it a desire based on ethnic dominance? I personally believe that the last one is correct---it is nothing but ethnic issue, otherwise why me as a tajik forcefully reject the idea of KPK to be separated from Pakistan.

Isn't your issue an ethnic one either? Hasn't Massoud's or Rabbani's point of joining anti-government funds been an ethnic one as well? That's what politics does, create doubts and insecurity in the very same hearts which claim to be pure and honest.

If you don't agree with my above argument then i present a second argument on why we must never claim on KPK,

Afghans as individuals never (re)claimed KPK to begin with, it was the government. How many individuals did you find back then in Kabul who would shout out for KPK? How many of them can you find in present day, infact? Ask me as an individual and my main concern will vanish once from Herat, to Kabul, to Kandahar people start living same harmonious life they once used to. Afghanistan got enough population to look after and every Afghan's main concern should be reuniting of the scattered ethnics, not issues regarding their fellow blood brothers across whatever border. Reason why SOME (only some) Afghan Pashtuns are still worried about KPK is actually quiet recent and that also because of the ongoing tension between both governments. Some people infact exaggerate by thinking Afghan government's main issue in Durrand Line, which is hardly a topic at the parliament these days.

 

[Pride]

Yes, there is a strong feeling and talk about getting KPK from pakistan among our Pashtoons, it doesnt matter if they are islamist or secularist- they all talk the same when it comes to kpk. And this issue of(non issue) of NWFP has got nothing to do with the other Afghans but our Pashtoons. It is purely ethnic matter and that is it.

Thanks for insight Ahmad, I want to know why Afghan government does not want to accept Durand Line and even does not allow PA to bordering this area? Is this only a claim as Durand line agreement (I dont beilve though) got expire on 1993 or it is because major ethnic group of Afghanistan (i.e. Pushtoon) are having near to other border?

 

[Kambojaric]

Could it possibly be that Afghan governments have brought up the issue of KPK and Durand Line to divert attention from the home ground? That is a classic tool used by many countries in the world. Whenever there is a domestic problem, bring into light a bigger foreign problem and that will divert the peoples attention. The nearest example is perhaps Kashmir which has been used by both sides to stir up emotions of the populace.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

The Afghanistan Govt, even under the Taliban, has always refused to recognise the Durand Line.

The motivations behind Pakistan’s backing of the Taliban, for example, were no different from the motivations that had led Islamabad to back Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. When it became obvious that Hekmatyar would neither be able to seize Kabul nor recognize the Durand Line, Pakistan simply shifted its support to the Taliban.

Despite Islamabad’s support, the Taliban did not accept the Durand Line as the international border.

Link

 

[Safriz]

pakistan shold break all ties with this bed bug of a country called afghanistan. Pakistan has been fighting their war and siffering financially ue to them since late 70s. Pakistan has never benifited from afghanistanand never will best to get rid of them once and for all .

 

[CLIPPER4LIFE]

I have to admit that the afghan claim that khyber pakhtunkhwa (mind my spelling) and including the areas of Peshawer was theirs. Many of them also claim Quetta and most of Balochistan, which they are wrong, as Quetta has recently had an influx of afghans, otherwise it was always part of Balochistan. The point is these areas are in Pakistan, and seriously i don't see Pakistan giving it back.

Though living in the US i do see a sizable afghan community here, and most of them claim that Pakistan should be there land. They also have a lot of resentment towards Pakistanis. They also have a lot of resentment towards other afghans, typically the ones that are not pashtun origin. My question is why do afghans claim Pakistan when they can't even seem to quell all the racism and ethnic injustice in their own country with the constant ethnic battles of (pashtuns vs hazara vs uzbek vs persian etc.)

 

[Patriot]

Why do Pakistanis even worry about such small issues?For god sake i doubt any nuclear country's citizen would be afraid of such small issues specially when the country with whom we have dispute is Afghanistan whose government jurisdiction ends at Kabul.

 

[Watani]

Though living in the US i do see a sizable afghan community here, and most of them claim that Pakistan should be there land.

Feel free to give those waste of space a punch on my behalf next time, no joke. I can't believe ANYONE can say that, and that also regarding an entire country which is much bigger and much more stable.

 

[jahangeer yousaf]

let them dream ...... we cannot restrict them for dreaming ..........

 

[CLIPPER4LIFE]

Dont worry i have tried to convince them many times, but the majority of them are very arrogant about it and still believes its their land. Its also funny when they say there afghani when most of them were born in Pakistan