The problem with Pakistani liberals

[muse]

Self pitty is worse than being a bloody brainwashed terrorist....... u libos and mullos are both bad for this country.

What's that got to do with the question " How do Pakistani extremist liberals force their views on others"? Keep your focus, answer the question

 

[RazPaK]

What's that got to do with the question " How do Pakistani extremist liberals force their views on others"? Keep your focus, answer the question

How?


Through Pakistani media which is sponsored by US dollars.


Don't tell me that you are that naive.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

What's that got to do with the question " How do Pakistani extremist liberals force their views on others"? Keep your focus, answer the question

I never said they are liliterally forcing their biased bs... but if given a chance they surely would....just like the terrorists n the uneducated "maulvis" not talking abt islamic scholars!

 

[muse]

I never said they are liliterally forcing their biased bs... but if given a chance they surely would....just like the terrorists n the uneducated "maulvis" not talking abt islamic scholars!

You mean like when they made Ahmadi non-Muslims?

How?


Through Pakistani media which is sponsored by US dollars.
Don't tell me that you are that naive.

So they force you to read and watch TV?? That's evil!

 

[RazPaK]

You mean like when they made Ahmadi non-Muslims?



So they force you to read and watch TV?? That's evil!

Through media whether it be tv, or print media.

It is evil, when the country's main media outlets tout western foreign policy and ideals, rather than supporting the country's stance.

US funding for Pakistani journalists raises questions
Published: September 3, 2011

US State Department supports the presence of two Pakistani journalists in US.
ISLAMABAD:
Two Pakistani journalists filing reports home from Washington are drawing their salaries from US State Department funding through a nonprofit intermediary, highlighting the sophisticated nature of America’s efforts to shape its image abroad, The Christian Science Monitor reported on Friday.
Neither of the two media organisations, Express News and Dunya News, discloses that their reporters are paid by the nonprofit America Abroad Media (AAM) on their websites or in the reports filed by their correspondents. Though the journalists have worked under the auspices of AAM since February, AAM only made their links to the news organisations known on their website Wednesday, after being contacted by the Monitor.
“If an American journalist working as a foreign correspondent in Pakistan was paid in a similar manner, would it be morally or professionally acceptable for his news organisation or audience?” asks Badar Alam, editor of Pakistan’s English-language Herald magazine.
The amount currently allocated for the project is some $2 million over two years from the public diplomacy funds allocated by the State Department, according to State Department officials in Washington familiar with the project. That includes salaries for the two correspondents – Huma Imtiaz of Express News and Awais Saleem of Dunya News and a bureau for both TV channels.
Aaron Lobel, president of AAM, says his organisation receives donations from a number of private funders, too, which it mainly spends on its programs on international affairs that run on Public Radio International in the United States.
“The content production is done first and foremost [by] Pakistanis who are here and work with their channels back home to produce content,” says Lobel.
Sometimes the Pakistani journalists and editors at home come up with stories. But AAM also holds production meetings where the group’s managing director, Aliya Salahuddin, suggests stories, says Lobel.
“I understand the fears that define the joint ventures that comprise the US-Pakistan relationship. [But] we are very proud we have a good relationship with Dunya and Express. It allows Pakistani journalists to cover the US with a Pakistani perspective. I haven’t encountered any Pakistani channel that doesn’t want to work with us,” he says, adding that AAM is hopeful of partnering with more Pakistani channels in the future. Both reporters cover a wide variety of stories.
Making a clear connection
AAM’s ombudsman, Jeffery Dvorkin, insists there is no US government involvement with content production.
“My role as ombudsman is to help AAM ensure there is no effort by its funders, including the government, to interfere with any of the content produced. Thus far, there have been no efforts of this kind. Secondly, AAM continues to make it clear to the government and to all funders that in order for AAM to proceed with this initiative, the government could have no involvement in content production or selection,” he says.
The State Department official counters that both the US government and AAM ‘encourage’ the channels to make their ties clear. “We’re very proud of this program,” the official says. But eight months into the program, officials from AAM had not reached out to the channels regarding disclosure.
The official notes that this is part of a broader effort to reach out, including bringing Pakistani journalists to the US for short visits under the International Visitor Leadership Program.
Defending his newspaper’s decision not to disclose the source of Imtiaz’s funding, The Express Tribune’s [executive] editor Muhammad Ziauddin told the Monitor: “The lady reports in conjunction with the [nongovernmental organisation AAM]. The lady has been recruited by us in consultation with the NGO in a way we do not need to mention this. By putting that line we would be putting this into perspective but since we already edit [her stories] according to our thinking we do not need to. Editorially we sensitise it to a great extent.”
He adds that the process of building links with government officials is commonplace the world over. “I know a number of instances where a correspondent has landed in Pakistan and has been won over by our own information departments and briefed by our government agencies. Obviously they would like to keep his sources intact and at times he or she obliges [the government].”
Ziauddin adds that the partnership was conducted ‘as an experiment’ and in the future the newspaper intends to pay for its own correspondent in Washington, just as they do in London.
Awais Saleem, chief operating officer of Dunya News, also stated that since final control resided with the channel, they did not feel the need to declare the partnership with AAM to their viewers.
Published in The Express Tribune, September 3rd, 2011.

US funding for Pakistani journalists raises questions – The Express Tribune

 

[Durrak]

Extremism is not beneficial in any sense "Neither being too liberal is good nor too religious"

The word molvi is not only for them who ruined the image of Islam... It is a very respectful word so don not change its meaning by blaming worst people with this name ..


Bukhari with a chain up to Abu Hurairah (s) who
relatedthat the Prophet (sa) said this
“The obligations of the religion are easy. Whoever imports hardship into it is overpowered by them. So be moderate, and practice in proportion to your capacity. Be of good tidings and seek help through prayer in the morning and evening and during a portion of the night.”

"Be moderate, be moderate."

 

[muse]

Through media whether it is be tv, or print media.

It is evil, when the country's main media outlets tout western foreign policy and ideals, rather than supporting the country's stance.

Which stance in particular, please be specific, after all media are not ISPR and they are not spokesperson for the govt

Extremism is not beneficial in any sense "Neither being too liberal is good nor too religious"

The word molvi is not only for them who ruined the image of Islam... It is a very respectful word so don not change its meaning by blaming worst people with this name ..


“The obligations of the religion are easy. Whoever imports hardship into it is overpowered by them. So be moderate, and practice in proportion to your capacity. Be of good tidings and seek help through prayer in the morning and evening and during a portion of the night.”

"Be moderate, be moderate."

Can one be moderately good? or Moderately ethical? how about moderately right or wrong? Can one be moderately virtuous?

 

[Durrak]

Which stance in particular, please be specific, after all media are not ISPR and they are not spokesperson for the govt



Can one be moderately good? or Moderately ethical? how about moderately right or wrong? Can one be moderately virtuous?

Sir this is Quranic verse not my own saying..Sorry i forgot to mention Ayah here..

 

[muse]

Sir this is Quranic verse not my own saying..Sorry i forgot to mention Ayah here..

Yes, of course - that's always an easy out - no need to think, it's Quranic

 

[Durrak]

Yes, of course - that's always an easy out - no need to think, it's Quranic

whatever..No need to answer you..And don't think all people are like you,

Rasul Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said:
“Beware of going to extremes (in religion), for
those before you were only destroyed through
excessiveness.” [An-Nasai]
Allah Most High says in the Quran, “Say: O people
of the Book, do not be excessive in your
religion.’” [4:171]

 

[muse]

whatever..No need to answer you..And don't think all people are like you,

What's that all about - Did the Ayat you quoted out of context refer to moderation in virtue? In Good? -- See, you people are generally under educated and then take offense when it's pointed out just how poorly educated you are - you use the wrong example and it's my fault?? being single source is as good as having no source at all.

 

[Durrak]

What's that all about - Did the Ayat you quoted out of context refer to moderation in virtue? In Good? -- See, you people are generally under educated and then take offense when it's pointed out just how poorly educated you are - you use the wrong example and it's my fault?? being single source is as good as having no source at all.

Whatever......Okay i am deleting al my post..wese bhi m not interested in arguing wid you..And i never posted something without its proper reference..

 

[muse]

whatever..No need to answer you..And don't think all people are like you,

Rasul Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said:
“Beware of going to extremes (in religion), for
those before you were only destroyed through
excessiveness.” [An-Nasai]
Allah Most High says in the Quran, “Say: O people
of the Book, do not be excessive in your
religion.’” [4:171]

Thank for this - now you will note "do not be excessive in Religion" --- are extremist Pakistani liberals excessive in religion?, if yes, that will be not just novel but libel

 

[mdcp]

Allama Iqbal said:

APNI MILLAT PE QAYAS AQWAME MAGHRIB SE NA KAR.
KHAS HAI TARKEEB MAIN QOME RASOOLE HASHMI.

 

[muse]

And Quaid e Azam, Mohammad Ali Jinnah said :

“You are free; you are free to go to your temples. You are free to go to your mosques or to any other places of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed—that has nothing to do with the business of the State.”