The Political Situation of China

[Lux de Veritas]

Sure, even KMT didn't have the intention to turn China into a third world sh1thole, but they never possess the capability to unite China into a strong country.

The civil war in 1949 has already determined who should become the ruler of China.

I am afraid nowadays Han Chinese are fed up with reverse discrimination in their ancestral homeland, esp. after those mass killings. They start to question why? They have long believed that those people are their brothers and sisters, and accepted their second class citizenship status for the sake of harmony. But now they realized that this sacrifice doesn't bring peace.

Therefore, I strongly support reverse of favorite policies towards minorities before majority of Han Chinese can no longer stomach, for the sake of unity of the country. You will know if you browse any Chinese forums. This trend is getting momentum and is dangerous.

你们别看我整天骂老共，他的贡献我是很清楚的。 I have interviewed many old people who have lived before Mao came to power.

Many told me that people in China nowadays cannot feel the pain of seeing the almost disintegration of the country. As late as 1945, Mongolia is independent, Tibet is "independent", Xinjiang is under Russia, Manchuria and coastal China is under Japan and the entire China seems hopeless.

However, within 6 years, Mao clean up the mess, and since then there is not a single foreign army in China's soil.

I do not think KMT can clean up this mess in 6 years.

Unifying China under a strong central government is the pre-requisite of the rise of China.

虽然民国时代自由，代价不小。而若老毛没有武力统一中国，什么崛起免谈。若还是国民党时代那种帝国主义瓜分状态，今天中国和伊拉克希几。

今天美国支持KMT，明天北极熊支持老共，后天日本人支持张作霖....etc.

老毛解决了一百年来中国分裂的问题。若没老毛，加上几个帝国主义虎视眈眈，现在中国分成4-5块可能性很大。而毛虽然是流氓，不过我们是要流氓还是要分裂？

I do hope for the best for China. It is never good to see Her in such a state of weakness. As others will take advantage of this weakness.

This is very NICE, China need innovation also include governing method.
Chinese must learn to change, use innovation to challenge future problems.

 

[C130]

Sure, even KMT didn't have the intention to turn China into a third world sh1thole, but they never possess the capability to unite China into a strong country.

The civil war in 1949 has already determined who should become the ruler of China.

that's pretty funny.
i think we in the U.S and the west should thank Mao, if he and his revolution never happened China would of probably been the third and greatest of the superpowers. Just look at Hong Kong,Taiwan, and the miracles of Japan and South Korea that could of been China in the 60's and 70's.

hell China only has come on strong for changing it's tune with Nixon's visit and entry into the WTO, what a shame really. all them Chinese dying in the cultural revolution and other stupid policies.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

你们别看我整天骂老共，他的贡献我是很清楚的。 I have interviewed many old people who have lived before Mao came to power.

Many told me that people in China nowadays cannot feel the pain of seeing the almost disintegration of the country. As late as 1945, Mongolia is independent, Tibet is "independent", Xinjiang is under Russia, Manchuria and coastal China is under Japan and the entire China seems hopeless.

However, within 6 years, Mao clean up the mess, and since then there is not a single foreign army in China's soil.

I do not think KMT can clean up this mess in 6 years.

Unifying China under a strong central government is the pre-requisite of the rise of China.

虽然民国时代自由，代价不小。而若老毛没有武力统一中国，什么崛起免谈。若还是国民党时代那种帝国主义瓜分状态，今天中国和伊拉克希几。

今天美国支持KMT，明天北极熊支持老共，后天日本人支持张作霖....etc.

老毛解决了一百年来中国分裂的问题。若没老毛，加上几个帝国主义虎视眈眈，现在中国分成4-5块可能性很大。而毛虽然是流氓，不过我们是要流氓还是要分裂？

老蒋在抗日战争之前提出的“攘外必先安内”的思想就注定他是要输给老毛的了。

土共现在有这个资本搞攘外必先安内的政策，但民国当时中国还处于分裂状态，国民党放着日本鬼子和列强不妨，却去咬着土共不放，他们根本就没有资本打内战。

什么西方的普世自由价值，要是这些符合中国崛起的利益，那么我们可能会接受这些。否则在中华民族复兴的前提下，我们不会接受任何阻碍中国大一统的玩意儿。

我们当时为啥要宁要原子弹不要裤子，就是为了守住国门不让列强再有机会入侵中国。否则经济发展的再好，没有自卫能力也只不过是列强眼中的大肥羊，到时候辛辛苦苦累积的财富还是像大清朝那样给别人做嫁衣裳。

 

[ComradeNam]

History will repeat itself, China will split again. People in China are too diverse. I do not wish that happen, it will become burden for Vietnam, hundred to million will run to Vietnam.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

老蒋在抗日战争之前提出的“攘外必先安内”的思想就注定他是要输给老毛的了。

土共现在有这个资本搞攘外必先安内的政策，但民国当时中国还处于分裂状态，国民党放着日本鬼子和列强不妨，却去咬着土共不放，他们根本就没有资本打内战。

什么西方的普世自由价值，要是这些符合中国崛起的利益，那么我们可能会接受这些。否则在中华民族复兴的前提下，我们不会接受任何阻碍中国大一统的玩意儿。

我们当时为啥要宁要原子弹不要裤子，就是为了守住国门不让列强再有机会入侵中国。否则经济发展的再好，没有自卫能力也只不过是列强眼中的大肥羊，到时候辛辛苦苦累积的财富还是像大清朝那样给别人做嫁衣裳。

Actually I think land reform is the key Mao win China. If KMT can do a land reform, Mao will have no peasant support. The people will fight for KMT.

In Taiwan, KMT conduct land reform because KMT are waishengren, and Taiwan economy picked up. The landlord now form the DPP.

Syanman Rhee 李承晩 of Korea did land reform in early 50s, the communist guerilla disappear overnight. During 50s S Korea was under even more severe security threads than S Vietnam.

Differences between S Vietnam and S Korea was S Vietnam did not do land reform. 5% of Vietnamese control 90% of the land (may not be accurate as there are various estimate). The result is the peasant soldiers did not want to fight, to preserve the vastly unfair S Vietnamese regime.

Also right now in HK, the tycoon use land to hijack the entire population. This is the main reason that HK stagnant, not because China is maltreating HK.

The East Asian must break free from landlordism.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

that's pretty funny.
i think we in the U.S and the west should thank Mao, if he and his revolution never happened China would of probably been the third and greatest of the superpowers. Just look at Hong Kong,Taiwan, and the miracles of Japan and South Korea that could of been China in the 60's and 70's.

hell China only has come on strong for changing it's tune with Nixon's visit and entry into the WTO, what a shame really. all them Chinese dying in the cultural revolution and other stupid policies.

You don't have to brag KMT on purpose just to bash CPC.

Everyone knows that KMT is an incompetent regime, and under their rule, China would definitely become an India 2.0, so it can never pose a challenge to the US.

 

[C130]

"We cannot expect Chinese to jump from Communism to capitalism , but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Chinese small doses of freedom until they suddenly awake to find they have capitalism."

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Actually I think land reform is the key Mao win China. If KMT can do a land reform, Mao will have no peasant support. The people will fight for him.

In Taiwan, KMT conduct land reform because KMT are waishengren, and Taiwan economy picked up. The landlord now form the DPP.

Syanman Rhee 李承晩 of Korea did land reform in early 50s, the communist guerilla disappear overnight. During 50s S Korea was under even more severe security threads than S Vietnam.

Differences between S Vietnam and S Korea was S Vietnam did not do land reform. 5% of Vietnamese control 90% of the land (may not be accurate as there are various estimate). The result is the peasant soldiers did not want to fight, to preserve the vastly unfair S Vietnamese regime.

Also right now in HK, the tycoon use land to hijack the entire population. This is the main reason that HK stagnant, not because China is maltreating HK.

The East Asian must break free from landlordism.

不光这些，李登辉上台后还把国民党手中的国企都私有化了。经过这么一番的折腾，国民党这么多年在台湾的执政基础基本上就完了。

不管怎么说，老蒋的“攘外必先安内”的政策不是全部是错的，但也要看具体是用在什么时候。

现在为了确保土共的绝对统治地位，大多数国人就是要支持攘外必先安内的政策。至于什么民主自由，等土共一统江湖打遍天下无敌手之后再谈吧。

 

[cnleio]

你们别看我整天骂老共，他的贡献我是很清楚的。 I have interviewed many old people who have lived before Mao came to power.

Many told me that people in China nowadays cannot feel the pain of seeing the almost disintegration of the country. As late as 1945, Mongolia is independent, Tibet is "independent", Xinjiang is under Russia, Manchuria and coastal China is under Japan and the entire China seems hopeless.

However, within 6 years, Mao clean up the mess, and since then there is not a single foreign army in China's soil.

I do not think KMT can clean up this mess in 6 years.

Unifying China under a strong central government is the pre-requisite of the rise of China.

虽然民国时代自由，代价不小。而若老毛没有武力统一中国，什么崛起免谈。若还是国民党时代那种帝国主义瓜分状态，今天中国和伊拉克希几。

今天美国支持KMT，明天北极熊支持老共，后天日本人支持张作霖....etc.

老毛解决了一百年来中国分裂的问题。若没老毛，加上几个帝国主义虎视眈眈，现在中国分成4-5块可能性很大。而毛虽然是流氓，不过我们是要流氓还是要分裂？

说的很好，一代领导人有一代人的责任和目标。 包括美国国父-华盛顿，华盛顿就任美国第一任总统时，仍然是一个支持奴隶制的南方农场主。

Mao's job just unify mainland of China + Mongolia + North-East three provinces + Manchuria + Tibet + XinJiang, and kick those foreigners out from foreign settlements in East China cities. Mao and fellows established PRC & PLA, finished his historical task in China.

Do not forget PRC spent twenty years to completed the Industrial Revolution & Atomic Energy Research during Mao's 1950s~1970s. If Chinese didn't finish it, China is just as same as today Vietnam. After Mao's Industrial Revolution, Deng start to lead PRC since 1979.

越南和中国有可比性吗？ 中国人早在60年代就在炼钢，炼油，造车造船造飞机。70年代就在造火箭造卫星。到21世纪越南都未能完成工业革命，国内没有一整套的重工业体系。所以说，越南人就是会吹牛，以后中越差距会越拉越大。

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

不管是共产党的大一统，还是国民党的大一统。

在中国没有傲视群雄之前，必须搞权利高度集中制和一党专政，军队由党来亲自指挥，国民经济以国有经济为基础，私有经济为辅助和增加活力。

要是放弃了以上的几点基本上就是在自掘坟墓。

老蒋的国民党基本上做不到以上的几点。那么很抱歉，你们就得彻底的退出中国的历史舞台了。

 

[C130]

说的很好，一代领导人有一代人的责任和目标。 包括美国国父-华盛顿，他那时候仍然是一个支持奴隶制的南方农场主。

Mao's job just unify mainland of China + Mongolia + North-East three provinces + Manchuria + Tibet + XinJiang, and kick those foreigners out from foreign settlements in East China cities. Mao and fellows established PRC & PLA, finished his historical task in China.

Do not forget PRC spent twenty years to completed the industrial revolution & Atomic energy research during Mao's 1950s~1970s. If Chinese didn't finish it, China is just as same as today Vietnam.

Mao worse thing that could of happened to China. Mao set you all back 4 decades. My man Deng destroyed Mao's legacy. Dishonored him like Khrushchev did Stalin..

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Mao worse thing that could of happened to China. Mao set you all back 4 decades. My man Deng destroyed Mao's legacy. Dishonored him like Khrushchev did Stalin..

He is like Qin Shihuang, the first emperor of China. You will never short of contradicting opinions about Qin Shihuang even after 2300 years later.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

He is like Qin Shihuang, the first emperor of China. You will never short of contradicting opinions about Qin Shihuang even after 2300 years later.

Yeah, he is the modern founding father of China, and we will still carry his legacy even though that he has made many mistakes.

Most of the US founding fathers were a bunch of slave owners, a huge violation of the human right according to the modern ethic standard, but I don't think any American will forsake their legacy just because of this.

 

[Edison Chen]

Actually I think land reform is the key Mao win China. If KMT can do a land reform, Mao will have no peasant support.

true...KMT has very little control over common people from the root class, because they didn't carry out effective land policy, nor did they have a strict basic-level party organization like CCP who establishes party organization in every entity even till now.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

true...KMT has very little control over common people from the root class, because they didn't carry out effective land policy, nor did they have a strict basic-level party organization like CCP who establishes party organization in every entity even till now.

KMT didn't seem to understand that the power comes from people.

Even CPC has somewhat disappointed its people for several years, but Xi Jinping is now trying to redeem the past mistakes.

CPC's power came from people, if they forget this, then they will soon lose their power.