The Plight of the Adivasis, Indian State Terrorism & the Moist Rebellion

[Urbanized Greyhound]

Actually I was shocked at the level of control the Naxals had over the people - there was no corresponding narrative by the indian state against the Naxals, one of the political commissars I shall call him "Raj" - was an ex-member of the indian security forces - they drill the insurgents in classical ambush, IED attacks which are devastatingly effective.

Was very impressed at the way they supplied logistics. Excellent way of circumventing the strong points.

Yes they are well trained in the logistics of Guerilla warfare , better than any local policeman, even CPRF. Only force which can deal with them are special forces of the Indian Army.

As for control over the people - they brainwash tribals , their recruiting modus operandi is to look out for grievances against the Indian state , because of Mining activities , displacement from their land , lack of development--target a group of dissatisfied people, mostly the youth.

This DOES NOT show any absence of Indian Govt establishment . Even Dantewada has police stations , schools , panchayats etc.

It does not validate your point.

 

[harpoon]

Some of our most "backward" regions have these. Now you must know that living in foresty tracts is very difficult and it is impossible to get facilities into forests. We don't cut down forests as it is dangerous to environment. So what to do? The "adivasis" don't want to come out of their tribal mindset, take government reservations and come up. They want to continue living in their own medieval lifestyle. This is a democracy; we cannot force them. In fact, many ecological areas are protected by government just because many of these lot don't want to come out of their mindset.

What are you suggesting? We cut forests, destroy important trees and make their areas as metropolitan cities? That would spell disaster to our efforts in controlling carbon footprint and global warming. Forests should remain forests and if they have to come to civilization, they should move to villages and town to absorb change. I know this because some people of my region have this same stupid tribal mentality rather than state and national mentality.

But is it right for the Indian Govt to allow these Tribals (who form 8% of the Indian population according to the documentary) remain in perpetual poverty and as a result drag down India on various HDI indexes.

 

[Tshering22]

But is it right for the Indian Govt to allow these Tribals (who form 8% of the Indian population according to the documentary) remain in perpetual poverty and as a result drag down India on various HDI indexes.

Ask the UPA votebank department. Or for that matter any government that comes with votebank in agenda.

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

Ask the UPA votebank department. Or for that matter any government that comes with votebank in agenda.

Human Rights Activists hanging around New Delhi all year also play an unwitting role ,If modernity is encouraged , they will say it violates basic rights bla bla .

That is why a strong central govt is the need of the hour.

 

[harpoon]

Ask the UPA votebank department. Or for that matter any government that comes with votebank in agenda.

Does the tribals form a vote bank. By the look of it it seems many of them don't even have a ration card.

 

[Rafi]

The Naxal threat will continue to grow, their wish to replace the indian state with a Communist "year zero" ideology - has enough resonance in a significant minority of the indian people.

Even to this day, you meet old college professors advocating "Socialism" in many indian universities.

 

[Loyus]

The Naxal threat will continue to grow, their wish to replace the indian state with a Communist "year zero" ideology - has enough resonance in a significant minority of the indian people.

Even to this day, you meet old college professors advocating "Socialism" in many indian universities.

Dear Rafi,

Would you care to reply my posts rather than making irritating one liners, two liners. Frankly speaking it is very irritating. You are making imaginative arguements and haven't even expereienced Maoism personally. Have you?

 

[Rafi]

Dear Rafi,

Would you care to reply my posts rather than making irritating one liners, two liners. Frankly speaking it is very irritating. You are making imaginative arguements and haven't even expereienced Maoism personally. Have you?

Have seen cadres up close and personal

 

[Bang Galore]

The Naxal threat will continue to grow, their wish to replace the indian state with a Communist "year zero" ideology - has enough resonance in a significant minority of the indian people.

Even to this day, you meet old college professors advocating "Socialism" in many indian universities.

You wish! If they had even a little bit of the popular support, they would have been fighting & winning elections. The fact that they can't do that is proof of their lack of support among ordinary people contrary to claims made on their behalf. The Maoists are no socialists in reality, they are into extortion from illegal mining companies & the timber smugglers acting as a sort of protection racket. Modern day robin hoods they are not!

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

Dear Rafi,

Would you care to reply my posts rather than making irritating one liners, two liners. Frankly speaking it is very irritating. You are making imaginative arguements and haven't even expereienced Maoism personally. Have you?

Bro you should realize by now he has only a few experiences to draw from , and that is insufficient to get a complete picture.

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@Rafi -- Seeing Cadres up and personal is something what almost everyone talking about Maoism has probably done . That is insufficient .

You should learn a bit more about the situation on the ground , its more complicated than can be visualized by a few conversations.

 

[Loyus]

Have seen cadres up close and personal

So if your up and close personal interactions have led you to believe that Maoism , Communism and Socialism are same then I am done with you. Carry on ranting ....

 

[Rafi]

The Maoists do use fear and intimidation, but it is equally not true that they don't have a significant minority of the tribals that support them. It is a fact, there are people who give them food and shelter. The hopelessness of the Adivasis is also deeply depressing.

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So if your up and close personal interactions have led you to believe that Maoism , Communism and Socialism are same then I am done with you. Carry on ranting ....

People of the Socialist persuasion while not condoning their violence, do seem to sympathize with their cause.

 

[Loyus]

The Maoists do use fear and intimidation, but it is equally not true that they don't have a significant minority of the tribals that support them. It is a fact, there are people who give them food and shelter. The hopelessness of the Adivasis is also deeply depressing.

Your last sentence is entirely true. When the Indian Government woke up to Maoist menace it had already spread its tentacles. That is why Maoists exploit the tribals, stop developments..Development that can bring results.. Development by both Government and by Non Governmental organisations..Development through Self Help Groups.. I was part of them

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The Maoists do use fear and intimidation, but it is equally not true that they don't have a significant minority of the tribals that support them. It is a fact, there are people who give them food and shelter. The hopelessness of the Adivasis is also deeply depressing.

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People of the Socialist persuasion while not condoning their violence, do seem to sympathize with their cause.

That is incorrect. You can be a Socialist and yet hate Maoists.. Noone condones violence.. Maoists thrive on senseless violences..Maoism thrives on a few leaders who exploit the cadres to achieve their end.. The cadres are brainwashed on idealism

 

[Manas]

The Plight of the Adivasis, Indian State Terrorism & the Maoist Rebellion

Adivasis aren't leading this sham Moist Rebellion,they don't even know who is Mao.

Undergroun Higher ups of Maoist Rebellion consists of non tribal those upper caste hindus who are reactionary communist mostly from Andhra's peoples war group and some Christians funed by the missionaries working in the tribal region . So are overground friends of Maoists who are also non tribals.

Adivasis work as the foot soldiers fighting against govt as they are told they are going to loose the jungle. the only resource of subsistence, to mine owners or big multinationals. Of course they get regular salary for being part of the maosts forces.


Again Govt hasn't help the situation either ,roads are built only to transports trees or iron ores from the regions.Development is non existent.

 

[harpoon]

Adivasis aren't leading this sham Moist Rebellion,they don't even know who is Mao.

Undergroun Higher ups of Maoist Rebellion consists of non tribal those upper caste hindus who are reactionary communist mostly from Andhra's peoples war group and some Christians funed by the missionaries working in the tribal region . So are overground friends of Maoists who are also non tribals.

Adivasis work as the foot soldiers fighting against govt as they are told they are going to loose the jungle. the only resource of subsistence, to mine owners or big multinationals. Of course they get regular salary for being part of the maosts forces.


Again Govt hasn't help the situation either ,roads are built only to transports trees or iron ores from the regions.Development is non existent.

Thats why I think GoI's strategy of using brute force against Maoists are not gonna work bcs the forces are killing Tribals while the 'ruling class' of Maoists are safe inside their jungle hideouts. Govt should use SFs or specially trained CRPF units to go deep inside the jungle and specifically target the Maoist leadership or better use UCAVs. Kill the head and the tail will wither.