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The Pakistan Ultimatum
Much as after 9/11, Islamabad has to choose whose side it is on

So Pakistan now demands that the United States withdraw hundreds of American intelligence operatives and special-ops trainers from its soil and stop the CIA drone strikes on al Qaeda, Taliban and affiliated terrorists. Maybe the Obama Administration can inform its friends in Islamabad that, when it comes to this particular fight, the U.S. will continue to pursue its enemies wherever they may be, with or without Pakistan's cooperation.

Relations between Washington and Islamabad historically have never been easy, and now they seem to have reached something of a watershed. The fault is not all one-sided. Congressional potentates have made a habit of criticizing Pakistan publicly even when it was cooperating with the U.S. and deploying thousands of troops to fight elements of the Taliban. And promised American aid has been haltingly disbursed.

Then again, Pakistan's behavior hasn't exactly been exemplary. Pakistan's spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate, has longstanding links to terrorist groups such as Lashkar-e-Taiba and the Haqqani network. The government and military have made no move against the Quetta Shura, the operational nerve center in Pakistan of Taliban leader Mullah Omar.

Islamabad's U.S. cooperation has also been double-edged. The government of President Asif Ali Zardari allowed the U.S. to increase the number of drone strikes. Yet it has made a point of complaining about them publicly, playing a particularly cheap form of politics to shore up its waning popularity with a domestic constituency smart enough to see through the hypocrisy.

The Pakistani army was also happy to cooperate with the U.S. when the targets of the strikes were members of the Pakistani Taliban who had their sights set on Islamabad. But the army has been less cooperative when the targets were the Afghan Taliban based in Pakistan or the ISI's terrorist partners.

Matters came to a head in January with Pakistan's arrest of CIA contractor Raymond Davis, after he had shot and killed two armed pursuers. Mr. Davis, who carried an official passport, ought to have been released immediately to U.S. custody under the terms of the Vienna Convention. Instead he was held for 47 days, questioned for 14, and released only after the U.S. government agreed to pay a multimillion-dollar indemnity to the families of the pursuers.

The failure to release Mr. Davis was an indication of how easily cowed Pakistan's civilian government has become in the face of an anti-American public. It also suggested a darker turn by Pakistan's military and the ISI, which were infuriated that Mr. Davis was investigating the activities of the Lashkar-e-Taiba now that it has expanded operations to include terrorism in Afghanistan. Pakistan has also complained bitterly about a drone strike in North Waziristan last month that it claims killed tribal leaders meeting with the Taliban.

A more charitable explanation is that Pakistan's military is angry the CIA is sharing less intelligence with the ISI. In this reading, the mass expulsion of U.S. security officials is really a demand for closer cooperation, even if it's a peculiar way of eliciting it. It's also possible that Pakistan army chief Ashfaq Parvez Kayani is trying to burnish his own public image by way of an anti-American tantrum that will pass in time.

Still, if the CIA doesn't trust the ISI, that's because it has demonstrated repeatedly that it isn't trustworthy. The Pakistani army has yet to reconcile itself to the idea that Afghanistan should be something other than its strategic backyard, preferably under the control of clients such as the Taliban, and it harbors paranoid illusions that India will encroach on Afghanistan to encircle its old enemy.

Pakistan's civilian government has also done itself neither credit nor favor by failing to tell Pakistan's people the truth about drone strikes, which is that they strike with pinpoint accuracy and that claims of civilian casualties are massively inflated for the benefit of Taliban propaganda. The government could also add that insofar as those drones are taking out leaders of the Pakistan Taliban, they are safeguarding Pakistan's beleaguered democracy.

However Islamabad chooses to act, the U.S. has a vital national interest in pursuing Taliban and al Qaeda leaders in their Pakistani sanctuaries, both for the sake of the war in Afghanistan and the security of the American homeland. Pakistan can choose to cooperate in that fight and reap the benefits of an American alliance. Or it can oppose the U.S. and reap the consequences, including the loss of military aid, special-ops and drone incursions into their frontier areas, and in particular a more robust U.S. military alliance with India.

In the wake of 9/11, the Bush Administration famously sent Secretary of State Colin Powell to Islamabad to explain that the U.S. was going to act forcefully to protect itself, and that Pakistan had to choose whose side it was on. It's time to present Pakistan with the same choice again

Review & Outlook: The Pakistan Ultimatum - WSJ.com
 
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US lost 2,973 people on 9/11, Pakistan has lost 33,000 people, we have committed more troops to this war than the US, and yet they continuously blame Pakistan for there own problems and incompetency in Afghanistan. They have murdered thousands of Afghani children, yet they blame Pakistan if Afghanis turn against the US. US have only themselves to blame for every failure in Afghanistan.

 
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Failure in Pakistan is due to failure in Afghanistan and you cant win in Afghanistan unless you will in Pakistan......what a vicious circle :hitwall:
 
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^ Frankly to most of the world (in SMC's words, India and parts of the west), it really doesnt matter what Pakistan has lost to terrorism or what she is deploying to fight it as for them, these terrorists have been created in the 1st place by Pakistan..So getting sympathy in that area is pretty much impossible for Pak
 
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^ First, it's not in my words, it's the reality. If I say that 2 + 2 = 4, it's not in my words, it's how it is. I am merely stating the fact. What you're saying might hold for opinions, not facts. Let's get that clear. It's not the whole world or even most of the world. Say it like it is. India and some parts of the west.

Secondly, the main argument you put across, two things to that.

1. TTP was not created by Pakistan. That is not something that can be debated, TTP was not created by Pakistan and it has very little ties with Afghan Taliban.

2. Your argument can be expanded to other countries as well such as US, UK, India itself.
 
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First, it's not in my words, it's the reality. If I say that 2 + 2 = 4, it's not in my words, it's how it is. Let's get the clear. It's not the whole world or most of the world. Say it like it is. India and some parts of the west.

Secondly, the main argument you put across, two things to that.

1. TTP was not created by Pakistan. That is not something that can be debated, TTP was not created by Pakistan and it has very little ties with Afghan Taliban.

2. Your argument can be expanded to other countries as well such as US, UK, India itself.


It doesn't matter whether you created TTP or not. The argument is, if you are claiming sovereignty of that land on which they operate, its your responsibility to control them. And moreover you want to be paid for doing something that you should do in your own national interest.
 
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It doesn't matter whether you created TTP or not. The argument is, if you are claiming sovereignty of that land on which they operate, its your responsibility to control them. And moreover you want to be paid for doing something that you should do in your own national interest.

That's not the point that was being argued.
 
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BTW drone strikes will only work against US interests as far as WoT is concerned. You might kill 10 or 20 terrorists but you will create a 100 new.

That's the reason why US ain't winning this war right now and never will. Right now the best option for the US is to leave with half-decency right now compared to full blown humiliation 4 or 5 years down the road.
 
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BTW drone strikes will only work against US interests as far as WoT is concerned. You might kill 10 or 20 terrorists but you will create a 100 new.

That's the reason why US ain't winning this war right now and never will. Right now the best option for the US is to leave with half-decency right now compared to full blown humiliation 4 or 5 years down the road.

Why does Pakistan allow drones?
 
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First, it's not in my words, it's the reality. If I say that 2 + 2 = 4, it's not in my words, it's how it is. Let's get the clear. It's not the whole world or most of the world. Say it like it is. India and some parts of the west.
What difference does it really make? Countries effected by terrorism of Pak origin, will be the obvious ones making comments on this issue. Not the Eskimos. This argument, 'Hey, but its not the whole world' might make you feel comfortable, but in reality it is just downright fatuous.
 
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The Same line by US Govt: Either you are with us or with the terrorist, a single line which is put in long article .. nothing new ...
 
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What difference does it really make? Countries effected by terrorism of Pak origin, will be the obvious ones making comments on this issue. Not the Eskimos. This argument, 'Hey, but its not the whole world' might make you feel comfortable, but in reality it is just downright fatuous.

It makes a difference because it's not true and it makes your statement sound stronger if the whole world agrees with you. Don't lie, plain and simple. If it's the countries effected by it, then say it like that. Those countries are not the whole world, plain and simple. Perhaps you're saying what you're saying to feel comfortable after getting proven wrong, I am just saying it because it is factual.

Next time I disprove a bharati lie about Pakistan I am doing it to make myself feel better? :lol:

Btw nice cherry picking with the 'eskimos' part. :lol: Like the rest of the world outside bharat and the parts of the west is limited to to eskimos. :lol:
 
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Failure in Pakistan is due to failure in Afghanistan and you cant win in Afghanistan unless you will in Pakistan......what a vicious circle :hitwall:



You can win in Afghanistan if you can win the hearts and minds of the people, but you can't do that by bombing their children, destroying their livelihoods. Its not Pakistan's fault, and any problems America faces in Afghanistan are of their own doing, no matter how much they attempt to blame Pakistan for their own shortcomings caused by their trigger-happy policies. Pakistan will not become another Cambodia for the Americans.
 
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Btw, if the US is unwilling to stop the drone attacks, perhaps Pakistan should start covertly supporting Afghan Taliban and give the US hell in Afghanistan.
 
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It makes a difference because it's not true and it makes your statement sound stronger if the whole world agrees with you. Don't lie, plain and simple. If it's the countries effected by it, then say it like that. Those countries are not the whole world, plain and simple. Perhaps you're saying what you're saying to feel comfortable after getting proven wrong, I am just saying it because it is factual.

Next time I disprove a bharati lie about Pakistan I am doing it to make myself feel better? :lol:

Btw nice cherry picking with the 'eskimos' part. :lol: Like the rest of the world outside bharat and the parts of the west is limited to to eskimos. :lol:
Google for the word 'Hyperbole'. Since you probably won't, here is what an online dictionary defines it as:

–noun Rhetoric .

1. obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as
“to wait an eternity.”​

So you see, it still doesn't make any difference. What however it reveals is your inability to distinguish between debating tools.
 
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