Thankyou very much sir, It has been a pleasure debating with you too thus far
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The pleasure is all mine
I live in SAudi Arabia and I've come across quite a few dodgy laws, but you as a senior member know that posting objectionable stuff without links can cause some unsensible people to divert the topic on a complete destruction course, I hope you understand my sentiments when I say that without a link I cannot verify this claim/Saudi Law- though it doesn't mean that I think what your posting is untrue.
I have already posted it.
Inviting the Iranian leader to SAudi Arabia, press conference of unity between saudi-iran and iran claiming it is for the best of the mulim world for SAudia Arabia gaining weapons may all be blanket statments and PR Bull, but it's sure better than labeling them in the axis of evil, convicing other leaders that Iran is a threat to world peace and mulling attacking Iran in the media. To think Saudi Arabia will be a major threat or has the ability to be a major threat to Iran in comparison is to the USA and its multi national bandwagon is absurd.
Axis of evil, is a Bush term, I never support it. But I dont agree with Iranian views on the right of existence of Israel. But I do agree on the views of a palestinian state as well as the removal of Israeli forces from the occupied territories. But the religious xenophobisim shown by Iranians and the Israeli's are no good for the future this little blue planet.
Let put it you in a simple form. Secualrism is the most important aspect of the current Human age, why Never has and Never will that very single person of this planet will follow the same religion. It is imperative therefore to adjust from both sides the ideas of secualrism, at the same time asserting your own individual religious beliefs. You should draw the line, where you should assert and where you shouldnt. Equality is the only way forward, wether it is race, religion or gender.
There will be no peace in the world, if one religion calls jihad on the rest of them. World has moved on from the times when people would sit quietly when invaded, the weapons of today can make a 5 year old child a mass murderer.
See that's it you've hit the nail on the head, when it comes to treating their fellow man in their own country the west have the higher moral ground, and when they seem to discrimate between countries they again some how have the higher moral ground.
Does not Al-Qeada claim higher moral ground. Everybody does, Are you not doing the same to me, am I not doing the same to you, you should just learn to rubbish some stuff, let it just go.
But i do have to say certain sections of Western Media has been far more helpful than the arab media, for arab causes. In arab media, you have Jews shown as blood drinking child molestors. You have tele-tubbies in hezbollah channel telling little children, that one should kill jews? Where the heck is morality in that.
Is it not descrimination when the most powerful media in the world who portray themselves as free and and just portray others in a steriotypical manner, report only negative aspects and and project propaganda to back the foreign policy? that is definatly not free and just.
Understand one thing clearly, everybody and everything in this world is biased.
Is it not decrimination when African employees are exploited by rich and powerful multinationals?
Africian employee's in western countries get the same benefits, I used to work in the UK. I was treated the same. My friends in Dubai apparently does not get the same treatment in the same organization that I worked in the UK. The law of that land allows discrimnation, and the MNC exploits it. For example an MNC in the middle east will discriminate a south asian, while the same MNC in UK, US or India will not discrimianate the same person. It has to do with the law of the land. And arab lands are notorious for exploiting south asian communities while pandering themselves and the whites.
Is it not decrimination when some countries are (Israel) given enough weapons to hold half the world hostage and giving it full redemption from scrutiny? or allowing some countries which are not signitories of the NPT Advance civil nuclear tech?
I dont agree with Israel having nuclear weapons, but at the same time they havent threatened to wipe anybody out of the world.
The reason I'm saying this is earlier in the thread you gave me an example of countries that I should follow namly USA, Britain and India. I am just highlighting their discriminations more so USA and Britain than India.
You dont run countries, on the basis of how you run a family, there is always a price, and there is always something someone wants. its a murky world. India was not proliferator while Pakistan was, The countries treat you with the respect you earn, demand and give. Sadly there arent much political processes in muslim countries, and its all hot air.
What does that mean? first you said how are the OIC Nato comparable, I gave you the answer, now you ask how is NATO discrimanatory? your arguments don't follow a pattern.
There is a difference between a political ideology and a religious ideology. Even if you are a communist you wont be discriminated in a democratic country while in a muslim country you are.
Why does that have to be so sir? There are Islamist parties here and they are here to stay, Pakistan as a country was founded on the basis of religion. I say Islam and politics can mix and can do so freely.
You mix politics with God. Then even god cant save you.
When you give the power of God, to the hands of a human... what do you expect. He will use the most fearful, unseen power to make the people do his bidding. God is unknown, everybody is scared of the unknown. Now you make the conclusion.
Hey don't burst my idealistic bubble just yet! I've got someway to go untill I get to 25
Its just a matter of time.
Like I said muslims and OIC can be successful if they can employ and fullfill viable regulations.
All i'm saying is I want the OIC to act as a successful group to ensue the betterment of it's members.
That is always good.
Who ever said abything about desintegration of India? look there are communist in india, it is a natural state of progression that like minded people will unite, that's why you have communist parties or republicans and democrats. As long as the Muslims of India hold India important it shouldn't mean much to you if they support the muslims in palestine or those in Darfur or on Chechnia.
Yes, but the ummah doesnt stop there does it. It talks about craving a new country and a physical entity, it is just not a mental thing. This affects the current state of affairs, which is therefore harmful to even Pakistan.
As the saying goes those of a feather flock together.
Please, if you were all together in one peiece of real estate.
I dont agree with that priniciple when an Indian muslim says a Pakistani muslim is more important to him, that a fellow Indian. I strongly oppose that mentality. I have heard Pakistani go nuts, when Balochi Pakistani's say they are Iranians, not Pakistanis. You forget that along with Religion, there is an unseen force which binds people together without the Quran...that is culture, language, racial profiles, national identity etc. You give far too less credit for it.
Chill I never called you anti-muslim anywhere, .
Thank you, I am already called a RSS in this forum, while I am called anti-Indian in other. Wierd.
I was just saying I find it wierd you havn't fully grasped the concept
Have you ever thought, that I dont fully agree with your concept. It might not have nothing to do with my grasping power. Do you know there are muslims, who love their religion, and yet takes some of the stuff in the religion as utter humbug.
So now we get to the crux of things, you see the muslim Ummah as a destabalising factor in India therefore you oppose it, I guess this was where it ultimatly leads to.
Not only for India, for even Pakistan and their culture. Ummah is not an easy concept, As I have mentioned above, you have to go very deep into it. Such as governence, language, culture, etc etc. Heck pakistan split into since Pakistani's thought their fellow bangladeshi's were less uber-muslim than they were. This a Human trait. Its not only in muslims,but everyone. As I said, you will have to look deeper.
Well sir, I guess we have o agree to disagree, I thankyou for your view point but one must understand abandoning muslims brothers just for a man made non-permanent boundary or International border is just not Islam.
Why didnt God make all people of the same colour and characteristics, why black, yellow, brown and white etc etc. WHY? Life is more than religion. Reilgion is only a way to find Life. But you have to walk it yourself.
My empathies for all those muslims where ever they are! When One person regards this life as a transition, a life for the fullfilment of one God why should they not carry out the teachings of the prophet?
If you expect a Indian Hindu should empathize more with a Pakistani Hindu, cuz you are not there for him, since you are tending your muslim brethern. then god only can save Pakistan.
True, and that's why right at the beginning of the thread i stressed ampathy to those being decriminated, those who treat their fellow muslims with less thought and not in a brotherly manner, the prophet said treat a person how one would be wanted to be treated himself.
Guess what your fellow arabs are doing blasmephous things, why no fatwa's on them for disobeying the orders of the prophet.
Oh about the OIC and Ummah Adux an Arab won't lead the OIC a muslim will!
I will qoute what my saudi arabian friend said, who was my classmate for my PG.
The Prophet was an arab, a saudi arabian. Therefore we are the leaders of islam and it is soley our right to lead the islamic naitons and no one else.
Non arab leading Islam, That will just remain a dream, as I said your existence in this world is much more than a religion. Service to god, doesnt mean service to religion.
PS: Call me adu, I am not that old to be called Sir.
