I mean anybody can see we might have Islam but we have dozens of interpretations akin to brands. Each brand of the generic product is fighting to get it's version enforced. Each brand is sure that it's brand is the copyright version of Islam and rest are just contrabands. With faith in Allah and the certainty that provides them the justification to even kill knowing in their minds they are doing Allah's work.
This is how the great USA got rid of or avoided religious and sectarian mess hundreds of years ago:
American independence and the ten commandments
Shalt or shalt not
Jul 4th 2015, 7:41 BY B.C.
THE delegates who gathered in Philadelphia 239 years ago to declare America independent were, as we all know, agreed on many lofty principles, including the inalienable rights which their Creator God had bestowed on them. But there were many religious questions on which they differed. A slight majority were Episcopalians, whose personal beliefs ranged from traditional piety to religious scepticism, but there were strong contingents of Congregationalists, Presbyterians and Quakers and one Roman Catholic. Of the two names which appear on the document printed on July 4th, 1776, John Hancock was a Congregationalist minister's son,
and Charles Thomson was a Presbyterian who later translated the Bible in a spirit that avoided attachment to "any sect or party".
That relative religious diversity was one of the reasons why, 14 years later, the founders adopted the clause in the First Amendment which forbade the establishment of any religion. The Revolutionary struggle, led by liberal Anglicans with non-conformist foot-soldiers and backed by Catholic France,
had convinced them that the young republic must set aside the sectarian divisions which had torn so many European nations apart. Some founders balked at the idea of emancipating the Catholics, but they grasped the nettle for the good of the nation.
All that is worth keeping in mind when considering this week's decision by the Supreme Court of Oklahoma, which shocked religious conservatives and was welcomed by liberals, as well as by some Christians who are advocates of church-state separation. The court
ordered the removal of a granite monument listing the ten commandments from the grounds of the state capitol. Its presence was held to violate the Oklahoma constitution's ban on state support for any particular religion or church, which reflects the spirit of the First Amendment and goes a bit further.
But, some might ask, aren't the commandments so much part of the Western world's broad cultural heritage that they hardly count as an affirmation of one particular doctrinal viewpoint? In certain contexts, perhaps.
For example, a frieze on the wall of America's Supreme Court shows some of the great law-givers of history, including the Roman emperor Justinian, Moses and Muhammad. They are presented as people who helped establish the principle that human societies must live by a clear, transparent and fairly applied set of rules; this does not imply that any one of them had a monopoly of truth.
But taken on their own, the commandments delivered by Moses are a more contentious matter, even within the world of Judaism and Christianity, than most people realise. Any presentation of the text is, in a sense, a sectarian statement because its exact wording and significance have been the subject of many arguments.
Orthodox Jews don't speak of "ten commandments" and some would consider it misleading to do so. In their reading of the scriptures, there are
613 divine commandments (
mitzvot) covering everything from diet, clothing and sexual behaviour to the treatment of others. What Christians call the ten commandments, they call the ten sayings (Aseret ha-D'varim) of God; and for them, the most vital line of all is the opening one (not a commandment but a statement) which the Christian list sometimes excludes: "I am the Lord your God."
Among Christians, Protestants generally put much more emphasis on the commandments than Catholics do. More important, Protestants and Catholics don't agree on what the commandments are. For Protestants, the first two commandments are i) God's instruction to "have no other gods before me" and ii) the injunction not to make graven images or even likenesses of anything in heaven, earth or sea, and not to bow down to those images. (The text itself has no numbering.)
Catholic teaching generally rolls those two commands into a single one, enjoining absolute monotheism; it then breaks in two the final section of the commandments which forbids covetousness. So in the Catholic presentation, desiring one's neighbour's wife (ie fantasising about adultery) is the penultimate sin, and feeling jealous of one's neigbour's wealth (home, land, servants, livestock) is the final one.
Protestant
polemic accuses the Catholic church of covering up or downplaying the prohibition on making graven images because that is what Catholics do; Catholics retort that the prohibition is on worshipping such images, not making them; and that only a couple of chapters later, the book of Exodus lays down exact instructions for making golden cherubim or angels to adorn the holiest part of a new place of worship.
The most commonly used (Protestant) version of the commandments, drawing on the best-known Hebrew version of Exodus chapter 20, is pretty disturbing to a modern sensibility. It seems to imply that a man's wife is simply one of many material possessions, and indeed not the foremost. As the King James Version of
Exodus 20 puts it:
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ***, nor anything that is thy neighbour's.
Catholic apologists defend their version of the final part of the commandments, which draws on Deuteronomy 5: it uses different verbs for marital and material jealousy and clearly puts the former kind first. Meanwhile the 2,200-year-old Greek rendering of Exodus 20, which eastern Christians use, also puts "wife" before "house" although the same verb is used for both kinds of desire.
There are some deep questions here for Jews, Christians and historians of religion to discuss. As individuals, the founding fathers would have had much to say about which version of the commandments they preferred. But it was not the sort of thing they wanted to adjudicate collectively. That explains why a Baptist minister, who is second to none in his respect for the commandments, was among those who campaigned for the Oklahoma monument's removal from government property.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/erasmus/2015/07/american-independence-and-ten-commandments
So there you have it. The reason why it's so difficult for traditional Muslim majority states to adhere 'secularist' principles is so simple as their blind belief on Islam as the ONLY universal truth. Hence the never ending sectarian wars among the Ummah for the past 1400 years. Unless Islam is reformed from being the only universal truth to being a part of many world religions, only then we can say we are ready to become secularist. Otherwise, Islam will remain a totalitarian, monopolistic force for all eternity!
@LeveragedBuyout @Syed.Ali.Haider @M.SAAD
The point that Pakistan is the only one to blame for the issue is what I am against.
ISI supported, harbored and trained Afghan Taliban, which in turn harbored Al-Qaeda. So yes, Pakistan got its rightful blame for the mess.
the point is, all this you have stated is the REASON of all these acts of aggression and threat to world peace, barbarity US have carried out against many different nations, these are the REASONS, not justifications!!
, saw posts by @Norwegian about MAD MULLAH, while these are not the words i expected from a moderate, i totally agree that it is these Mullahs that are using brain washing and literally DESTROYING our nation. THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED and it is us who have to fix it, no one else will come and help us with that. The government need to bring drastic reforms in madrasas, all need to be brought under tough scrutiny, rather than shia kafir sunni kafir literature ALL MADRASAS should be teaching as per a proper government devised syllabus. More than half of our problems today are due to these stupid teachers and there brainwashed students. Among the most important things is the need to STOP foreign funding of Madrasas, if anyone if interested in donation they should be given to a central body and from there distributed equally to all the institutes regardless of the sect.
