The Need for Greater Pakistan

[Crusher]

I have read in forum rules that deep religious discussion is not allowed on this forum.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I do not live in pakistan where you are kicked out of a mosque for small thing such as rafa ul yadain. Here the mosques welcome everyone. Except qadyanis or shias they have their own seperate mosques.


Indeed those forces who support them were USA very openly and Israel discretely(there are documentaries of Israel helping them) and if Saudis are supporting them. Then it's the Saudi regime i.e the kings and princes. And Saudi masses know very well that their royal family has sold themselves out to Dajjalic forces.

If you are a student of knowledge as you claim bring proofs. Or else you are just another takleed-ster.

Original works by founders of sufism such as Ibn Arabi, Ahmed Raza Khan barelvi and Ashraf Raza Thanvi contain clear refrence to putting someone/something between man and God. Which in arabic is called shirk.

Heck Thanvi even has a whole book dedicated to teaching people how to do magic. The book is called Aimaal e Qurani. One major proof of it being a book of magic is that it has clearly teaches people to write an amulet to cause seperation between husband and wife. Which Allah mentions is a major red flag of magicians in Surah Al-Baqarah(02:102)

Made in India/Pakistan/Bangladesh Islam is basically an attempt to use the label of Imam Abu Hanifa. And in reality preach teachings of Ibn Arabi, Barelvi, Thanvi and every other charlatan/trickster who was clever enough to hoodwink people.

On the outside their is tawheed and ishq e rasool. But the core is glorifying graves and what those graves contain. And making someone a waseela between man and God.

You can’t lump all Sufis together. There is wide variance. Even men like Maulana Maududi and Dr. Israr Ahmad were Sufis, though they were very strict Muslims as well.

Original Sufis were hardest on themselves about Deen.

Even Allama Iqbal was a Sufi and had the insight few in history have. We benefited so much from his wisdom.

 

[HAIDER]

i do not go around poking my head inside mosques to see what is going on but the streets are a ruckus on that day. its not very pretty nor very organized and causes problems to huqooq al ibad of others.

all these activities should be done outside of the city in a big barren area. like slaughter of animals and other stuff.

the cities are way too unclean to have these

well, people are very sensitive , for the sake of peace, i wouldn't touch such activity. i would say, such type of procession should be responsible of keep cleaning route or cancel there permit permanently .

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

I doubt very highly Dr sahb was a sufi.

You can’t lump all Sufis together. There is wide variance. Even men like Maulana Maududi and Dr. Israr Ahmad were Sufis, though they were very strict Muslims as well.

Original Sufis were hardest on themselves about Deen.

Even Allama Iqbal was a Sufi and had the insight few in history have. We benefited so much from his wisdom.

 

[El Sidd]

well, people are very sensitive , for the sake of peace, i wouldn't touch such activity. i would say, such type of procession should be responsible of keep cleaning route or cancel there permit permanently .

what permit?

all these muslims are just treating the country as a holiday destination. every Shaman gets a mob in the country.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I doubt very highly Dr sahb was a sufi.

He has a book Tassawuf In Islam about proper Sufism, which is not deviating towards shirk.

If you listen to his lectures, he is a firm believer of Sufi sheikhs and great personalities in Islam history.

He is a Sufi too.

 

[El Sidd]

I doubt very highly Dr sahb was a sufi.

He was not. When people die all others make up stories about them for their own mental solutions to question of life and existence.

bunch of charsi talk !!

 

[Manidabest]

Ashraf Ali thanvi


Yes sufism does have all these shiny claims as you state. But in its core is surrounding the graves of their awliya and prostarting to them. This is what is taught in sufi maktab(schools) in yemen and egypt etc. And rocking back and forth in so called zikr. Which does not have anything to do with Quran and sunnah.

If Allah wanted muslims to rock back and forth in zikr then Allah wouldn't have given us 5x daily prayer.

My main concern is not sufis. Rather the made in India/Pakistan/Bangladesh Islam which in it's core tenets/beliefs is baseless rumors and stories. And putting someone/something between man and God.

But if this made in India/Pakistan/Bangladesh islam is scrutinized it claims itself to be sufi, ashiq e rasool etc.

well i dont what is being taught in yemen and egypt if they r teaching to worship graves then its shirk and kuffar and as i said sufis never teach this it has nuthing to do with graves or somethin i bet many sufis who have passed away never asked their followers to build a big shrine and do certain acts when they visit their graves.

is it against sharia to do Allah's Zikr while rocking back and forth ?? or by whirling ?? dont confuse it with dancing or jumping around vulgarly or disrepectfully.

now u r saying ur main concern is not sufis but the people beliefs and baseless stories. well i guess u are grown up enough that u can differentiate between people who are practicing sufism faithfully, people who are practicing to show off so they can have fame and make money and personal gains, those who are loyal students to learn about sufism to improve one's own behaviour according to islamic sharia, and those who are loyal students to those fake people who claim to know this science for personal gains, and those people who blindly follow sufism without having any knowledge of the science and also they dont even have knowledge of islam not even basic knowledge about islam .

Just try and ask them bro. They are ashiq e rasool and aowliyah of Allah. And you are the evil one.

ask them what ??

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

In Pakistan, everyone is Sufi besides Ahle Hadees (who are anti Sufi.)

It does not necessarily mean that Sufis dance and bow to graves of saints, many Sufis simply read Fatiha over graves of saints only.

 

[HAIDER]

what permit?

all these muslims are just treating the country as a holiday destination. every Shaman gets a mob in the country.

well, i have no practical solution for that. we all get frustrated when car stuck in traffic due to any reason... i have bought house out of city limit and very happy and peaceful. leave the city for city slickers .

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I doubt very highly Dr sahb was a sufi.

I knew Dr. Israr Ahmad personally and he was a firm believer in the Sufi visions of Allama Iqbal. Tassawuf, or Sufism, if on the correct guidance can be very beneficial for the spiritual ascension of mankind.

He criticized Salafis for losing that spirituality and ascetic tradition.

 

[El Sidd]

well, i have no practical solution for that. we all get frustrated when car stuck in traffic due to any reason... i have bought house out of city limit and very happy and peaceful. leave the city for city slickers .

if you have no solution to this. you are part of the problem then.

 

[HAIDER]

if you have no solution to this. you are part of the problem then.

lol may be ... i am weak , i can't confront power full emotionally charged masses. may be you can deliver the sermon to masses how to become civil and respect the rights of people around ...

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Many other videos on the subject. Just search Sufism and Dr. Israr Ahmad, it is a goldmine.

 

[El Sidd]

lol may be ... i am weak , i can't confront power full emotionally charged masses.

because you are part of it dear.