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Yeah, PRC got a difficult period from 1959 to 1961, but those numbers are usually blown out of proportion by the western media.

And Tianya.cn has debunked their lie and propaganda, since they always used those ROC era pics to defame CPC.

In fact, PRC's famine was much less severe than ROC's, whereas most people can still have something to eat, whereas in ROC, most people were starved until completely deformed.

I can tell that over 90% those so-called "Great Famine" pics during the PRC era are actually belong to the ROC era.

关于三年自然灾害饿死几千万人的谎言是如何产生的?看公知如何造谣_国际观察_天涯论坛
 
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政府,媒体真不靠谱,新闻跟写小说一样,满口荒唐。。。应该多学学太史公的报道精神
 
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Chinese Mainland China please explain your experience. Is this approximately propaganda? or is this approximately a history? What is the correct number of death from starvation?
 
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Chinese Mainland China please explain your experience. Is this approximately propaganda? or is this approximately a history? What is the correct number of death from starvation?

Tombstone: The Untold Story of Mao's Great Famine by Yang Jisheng – review | Books | The Guardian

The most authoritative of Great Leap Forward is by Yang Jisheng, who is the duputy CEO of elite Yanhuang chunqiu 炎黄春秋 magazine. Yanhuang chunqiu is founded by General Xiao Ke, the top elite of PRC, and the current CEO is Hu Deping, the son of Hu Yaopang, the former party secrety.

Yanhuang Chunqiu is fully representative of the democratic wing of CCP.

Yang Jisheng had access to many official documents on Great Leap Forward.

Great Leap Forward indeed cause 30 million death.

He put the blame on Chairman Mao Zedong, which I think it is a cover up. The guys responsible ranked by on their crime are

1. Mao Zedong
2. Liu Shaoqi
3. Deng Xiaoping
4. Zhou Enlai

During the Great Leap Forward, Deng Xiaoping did a big gangsterism. He is the No 2 commander (No 1 is Mao) in conducting witch hunt against intellect, call "anti-rightist". This witch hunt and the later cultural revolution is the main culprit of destroying Chinese culture.

After the Great Leap Forward, Liu Shaoqi did a gangster style. He pushed most responsibility to Mao (so as CCP today, and they exonerate Liu, Deng and Zhou). Liu Shaoqi's gangsterism is one of main reason Mao conducted cultural revolution to get rid of mofos.

Population pyramid of China tells how the death of Great Leap Forward.
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Yang Jisheng's being interviewed by VOA as below. It is really a masterpiece.

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Many PDF PRC will deny
 
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Chinese Mainland China please explain your experience. Is this approximately propaganda? or is this approximately a history? What is the correct number of death from starvation?
As a chinses ,i don't experience the era but heared of the Great Famine's history already. Old men portrayed that the life of that period were so hard that starved till ate the bark and the kaolin.but did not listen about death. until many years ago i knew it on the internet about an English newspaper. which the numer was impressive and hard to believe .

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Many PDF PRC will deny[/QUOTE]
Many PRC's people know about it less than you as a foreigner? what did youself say youself believe?
 
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Document 17 - Foreign Relations of the United States, 1961–1963, Volume XXII, Northeast Asia - Historical Documents - Office of the Historian

17. Special National Intelligence EstimateSource
Washington, April 4, 1961.

SNIE 13-61

THE ECONOMIC SITUATION IN COMMUNIST CHINA

The Problem

To assess current Chinese Communist economic difficulties, with special reference to the food situation, and to estimate their economic and political consequences: (a) over the next few years, and (b) in the event 1961 should prove a poor crop year.

Conclusions

1. The Chinese Communist regime is now facing the most serious economic difficulties it has confronted since it consolidated its power over mainland China. As a result of economic mismanagement, and, especially, of two years of unfavorable weather, food production in 1960 was little if any larger than in 1957—at which time there were about 50 million fewer Chinese to feed. Widespread famine does not appear to be at hand, but in some provinces many people are now on a bare subsistence diet and the bitterest suffering lies immediately ahead in the period before the June harvests. The dislocations caused by the “Leap Forward” and the removal of Soviet technicians have disrupted China's industrialization program. These difficulties have sharply reduced the rate of economic growth during 1960 and have created a serious balance of payments problem. Public morale, especially in rural areas, is almost certainly at its lowest point since the Communists assumed power, and there have been some instances of open dissidence. (Paras. 7-25)

2. The Chinese Communist regime has responded by giving agriculture a higher priority, dropping the “Leap Forward” approach in industry, and relaxing somewhat the economic demands on the people. Perhaps the best indicator of the severity of the food shortage has been Peiping's action in scheduling the importation of nearly three million tons of food-grains during 1961, at a cost of about $200 million of Communist China's limited foreign currency holdings. (Paras. 26-30)

3. While normal crop weather in 1961 would significantly improve farm output over the levels of 1959 and 1960, at least two years of average or better harvests will be required to overcome the crisis and permit a restoration of the diet to tolerable levels, some rebuilding of domestic stocks, and the resumption of net food exports. If Soviet technicians in large numbers do not return to China, industrial production is likely to increase about 12 percent annually, as compared with about 33 percent in 1959 and 16 percent in 1960. (Paras. 31-35)

4. If 1961 is another poor crop year the economic and political effects for Communist China are likely to be grave. There probably would be no increase in gross national product (GNP) in 1961, and growth prospects for later years would also be affected. Unless there were substantial food imports, malnutrition and disease would become widespread, and a considerable amount of starvation probably would occur. Public disaffection probably would become a major problem for the regime, perhaps forcing it to undertake a massive campaign of threats and terror. It is unlikely even in these circumstances, however, that public disaffection could threaten continued control of China by its present leadership. (Paras. 38-40)

5. We do not believe that Peiping would accept food offers from the US even under conditions of widespread famine. (Para. 42)

6. We do not believe that even famine conditions would, in themselves, cause Peiping to engage in direct military aggression. Such difficulties probably would, however, prompt Peiping to avoid actions which would exacerbate its relations with Moscow. (Paras. 40-41)
 
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Tombstone: The Untold Story of Mao's Great Famine by Yang Jisheng – review | Books | The Guardian

The most authoritative of Great Leap Forward is by Yang Jisheng, who is the duputy CEO of elite Yanhuang chunqiu 炎黄春秋 magazine. Yanhuang chunqiu is founded by General Xiao Ke, the top elite of PRC, and the current CEO is Hu Deping, the son of Hu Yaopang, the former party secrety.

Yanhuang Chunqiu is fully representative of the democratic wing of CCP.

Yang Jisheng had access to many official documents on Great Leap Forward.

Great Leap Forward indeed cause 30 million death.

He put the blame on Chairman Mao Zedong, which I think it is a cover up. The guys responsible ranked by on their crime are

1. Mao Zedong
2. Liu Shaoqi
3. Deng Xiaoping
4. Zhou Enlai

During the Great Leap Forward, Deng Xiaoping did a big gangsterism. He is the No 2 commander (No 1 is Mao) in conducting witch hunt against intellect, call "anti-rightist". This witch hunt and the later cultural revolution is the main culprit of destroying Chinese culture.

After the Great Leap Forward, Liu Shaoqi did a gangster style. He pushed most responsibility to Mao (so as CCP today, and they exonerate Liu, Deng and Zhou). Liu Shaoqi's gangsterism is one of main reason Mao conducted cultural revolution to get rid of mofos.

Population pyramid of China tells how the death of Great Leap Forward.
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Yang Jisheng's being interviewed by VOA as below. It is really a masterpiece.

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Many PDF PRC will deny
So many nonsense. Mao is the main culprit. Liu realize the mistake he make with Mai and try amend it and stop the collective method but Mao is too proud to admit his mistake and push everything to Liu. Deng xiao ping privatizing method is so successful in stopping the grain production decline and even increase the output that increase his popularity. Mao is a proud and jealous man and decide to start cultural resloution to restore his popularity among China.
 
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As a chinses ,i don't experience the era but heared of the Great Famine's history already. Old men portrayed that the life of that period were so hard that starved till ate the bark and the kaolin.but did not listen about death. until many years ago i knew it on the internet about an English newspaper. which the numer was impressive and hard to believe .

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Many PDF PRC will deny[/QUOTE]
Many PRC's people know about it less than you as a foreigner? what did youself say youself believe?[/QUOTE]

Of course many PRC know less about many things than foreigners, not unlike Fat Kim Korean think that they are ruled by God living in world most fabulous paradise. Others are living in shit hole (water deep fire hot 水深火热)

毛主席万岁万岁万万岁

You think PRC's history IQ is trust-worthy when they rant the above slogan?
 
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Full text here:

http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/document_conversions/89801/DOC_0001098172.pdf

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Communist China's Economic Difficulties
The agricultural crisis

8. Peiping’s orthodox Communist program for economic development has been based on the belief that China could be industrialized rapidly, despite its technological backwardness and the unfavorable ratio of population to arable land. Consumption was to be held in check and industrial plant was to be built up with technical assistance and large-scale imports of machinery from the USSR. Agriculture, which had the threefold task of:

(a) feeding a fast-growing population;
(b) supplying increasing quantities of raw materials to industry; and
(c) providing goods for export, was to rely primarily on labor-intensive projects and programs.​

The modernization of agriculture was to wait until industry developed enough to provide simultaneously the resources for further industrial growth and for increased investment in agriculture. This program involved a deliberate gamble that the thin margin between the production of food and the minimum needs of the population could be maintained. There are growing indications that Chinese leaders now realize that this gamble has not succeeded.

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During late 70s and early 80s, Deng rise to be at the helm of China, he then has the opportunity to try again. Drawing on the lessons that had been learn.

Given what happened during the Great Leap Forward, and the continuous pressure under
Malthusian catastrophe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A Malthusian catastrophe (also known as Malthusian check) was a prediction of a forced return to subsistence-level conditions once population growth had outpaced agricultural production.


The Family Planning Policy(One Child Policy) was introduced.

It is unpopular, take lots of resource to implement, create lots of social friction nationwide. Then why Deng would still go ahead with it?

The short answer, China do not want to go hungry ever again.
 
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Of course many PRC know less about many things than foreigners, not unlike Fat Kim Korean think that they are ruled by God living in world most fabulous paradise. Others are living in shit hole (water deep fire hot 水深火热)
毛主席万岁万岁万万岁
You think PRC's history IQ is trust-worthy when they rant the above slogan?

hehe(呵呵),Now is what era? it is 21st century today. you think today's chinese know less about many things than you ? i have nothing to say but tobe laughing
 
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Full text here:

http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/document_conversions/89801/DOC_0001098172.pdf

excerpt...
Communist China's Economic Difficulties
The agricultural crisis

8. Peiping’s orthodox Communist program for economic development has been based on the belief that China could be industrialized rapidly, despite its technological backwardness and the unfavorable ratio of population to arable land. Consumption was to be held in check and industrial plant was to be built up with technical assistance and large-scale imports of machinery from the USSR. Agriculture, which had the threefold task of:

(a) feeding a fast-growing population;
(b) supplying increasing quantities of raw materials to industry; and
(c) providing goods for export, was to rely primarily on labor-intensive projects and programs.​

The modernization of agriculture was to wait until industry developed enough to provide simultaneously the resources for further industrial growth and for increased investment in agriculture. This program involved a deliberate gamble that the thin margin between the production of food and the minimum needs of the population could be maintained. There are growing indications that Chinese leaders now realize that this gamble has not succeeded.

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During late 70s and early 80s, Deng rise to be at the helm of China, he then has the opportunity to try again. Drawing on the lessons that had been learn.

Given what happened during the Great Leap Forward, and the continuous pressure under
Malthusian catastrophe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



The Family Planning Policy(One Child Policy) was introduced.

It is unpopular, take lots of resource to implement, create lots of social friction nationwide. Then why Deng would still go ahead with it?

The short answer, China do not want to go hungry ever again.

邓小平人也是够残忍和邪恶,一个计划生育,弄得很多人家破人亡。

Of course many PRC know less about many things than foreigners, not unlike Fat Kim Korean think that they are ruled by God living in world most fabulous paradise. Others are living in shit hole (water deep fire hot 水深火热)
毛主席万岁万岁万万岁
You think PRC's history IQ is trust-worthy when they rant the above slogan?

hehe(呵呵),Now is what era? it is 21st century today. you think today's chinese know less about many things than you ?

PDF 里 脑残的人很多。

There still people denying GLF, dont believe just scroll up this thread.
 
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And this guy is a house hold name in China.

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Yuan Longping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yuan Longping
(Chinese: 袁隆平; pinyin: Yuán Lóngpíng; born September 7, 1930) is a Chinese agricultural scientist and educator, known for developing the first hybrid rice varieties in the 1970s.

Hybrid rice has since been grown in dozens of countries in Africa, America, and Asia—providing a robust food source in high famine risk areas. For his contributions, Yuan is sometimes called "The Father of Hybrid Rice" by the Chinese media.

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China Grain Giant Cofco Planning IPO After Trader Acquisitions
By Bloomberg News October 28, 2014


Cofco Corp., China’s largest grain trader, is planning a public listing of some of its assets, including a majority stake in Noble Group Ltd.’s agribusiness unit that it bought this year for $1.5 billion.

The proposed spinoff highlights Cofco’s efforts to become a global agricultural producer and distributor, complementing its role as the state-run food supplier for the world’s biggest consumer of rice, soybeans and wheat.

The listing could take about three years and the company doesn’t plan major acquisitions “any time soon,” according to Chairman Frank Ning. The new entity would include production capacity in South America and the Black Sea, processing, logistics and trading and seed technologies.


Cofco agreed in April to buy a 51 percent stake in the Noble unit after buying a similar-sized stake in Dutch grain trader Nidera Holdings BV in February. The two transactions are the largest overseas acquisitions in the history of both Cofco and China’s grain and vegetable oil industries, the company said in a statement.

“It takes time to digest after the two deals,” Ning said yesterday. The assets will help Cofco become a “leading agricultural company with world-class scale in trade, processing and logistics,” he said.

China’s food demand is rising with its growing economy and it has looked further afield to feed a country with insufficient farming resources and a growing dependence on imports. The nation is already the biggest soybean buyer and will become the top corn importer by about 2020, the U.S. Department of Agriculture estimates.


Global Player
The acquisitions “will extend Cofco’s global reach, enabling it to source soybeans from Argentina through Nidera supply chain or buy sugar from Brazil through Noble Agri,” Ning said “It will also help ensure food supply to China.”

Cofco provided 60 percent of the funding for the Noble and Nidera investments with the remaining 40 percent coming from a group that includes Chinese private-equity firm Hopu Investment Management Co., Singapore’s state-owned investment arm Temasek Holdings, Standard Chartered Private Equity and the World Bank’s International Finance Corp. according to the company.

“This was an unprecedented opportunity as China’s soaring grain consumption will alter the trade landscape, giving opportunity to the rise of a whole new global player,” Bi Mingjian, managing partner of Hopu Investment, said yesterday.

After the transactions, Cofco’s aggregated revenue will be $63.3 billion, with assets worth $57 billion, the company said in a statement. Annual processing capacity will rise to 84 million metric tons and storage capacity will increase to 15 million tons, the company said.

Founded in 1949, Cofco grew through a series of mergers of state food and animal husbandry companies and is now China’s biggest food company with 60,000 employees. Cofco also runs commercial and residential property, tourist resorts, hotels, and financial services that include a commodity futures brokerage, a regional bank and an insurance venture with London-based Aviva Plc. It has seven listed units.
 
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