The Middle East needs a stronger Erdogan

[T-Rex]

Erdo wants to change Turkey into a barbaric oriental dictatorship. He wants to destroy what ataturk created.

He did evrything in his power to get a yes. Arrested hundredthousands, destroyed free media, used public funds for his campaign. And even this was not enough. Half of the country is against him. His "new turkey" stands on very fragile fundaments. There is enormous social tension growing and the european nations will support zhe democratic forces there. The result is a slap in the face for this wannabe sultan.

Dictators are not elected and what you say about him is actually applicable to sissy, your buddy.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

Dictators are not elected and what you say about him is actually applicable to sissy, your buddy.

Hitler got to power same way Erdo does. Even used same methods like Referendums and so on.

I think the outcome is perfect. Half of turkey slapped Erdolf into the face. That shows massive tension. EU said today it will support the democratic forces, which means it will strengthen oppossition.

 

[T-Rex]

Hitler got to power same way Erdo does. Even used same methods like Referendums and so on.

I think the outcome is perfect. Half of turkey slapped Erdolf into the face. That shows massive tension. EU said today it will support the democratic forces, which means it will strengthen oppossition.

You and your EU talks of democracy by ignoring the majority and this is not new.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

You and your EU talks of democracy by ignoring the majority and this is not new.

Why? The result is pathetic. The wannabe Sultan lost massive. Even in his own city. Erdo always said the big majority stands behind him. The pathetic result he got shows that he is wrong. Commentators say its the beginning of the End for him, because his "new turkey" is fundamental against half of the population. The results show this openly. And thats interesting. And a point that can be worked with.

 

[Serpentine]

Dictators are not elected and what you say about him is actually applicable to sissy, your buddy.

Cough...Hitler...Cough

Not necessarily applicable to Erdogan, but dictators can be elected too.

 

[T-Rex]

Why? The result is pathetic. The wannabe Sultan lost massive. Even in his own city. Erdo always said the big majority stands behind him. The pathetic result he got shows that he is wrong. Commentators say its the beginning of the End for him, because his "new turkey" is fundamental against half of the population. The results show this openly. And thats interesting. And a point that can be worked with.

The result is pathetic for you because your stooges lost.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

The result is pathetic for you because your stooges lost.

48% against Erdolf. Thats a slap in his face. Half the country oposes him. And that half can be used. Many say this result is the best ever. That he won brings him up into the red line. Yet he did not win clearly and was shown that half country is against him. Perfect ground for some action.

 

[T-Rex]

48% against Erdolf. Thats a slap in his face. Half the country oposes him. And that half can be used. Many say this result is the best ever. That he won brings him up into the red line. Yet he did not win clearly and was shown that half country is against him. Perfect ground for some action.

As I said it doesn't matter if you fail the exam for one mark or ten marks. The fact is your stooges failed the exam and you're burning.

 

[T-Rex]

This isnt an exam. This is politics. Half of turkey is against him. Best circumstances to stir up dissonance.

Ever wondered why the ottomans could never invade the italian city states? Why Venice blocked them? For the same reason. The city states had great insight into the Ottoman empire. Even up to the Sultans family. Using internal anger to get influence. Send assassins, orchestrated internal coups and revolts.

Erdo knows that. This result is no victory for him and Europe already plays that card when you follow the comments. Dividing there is much easier now.

In politics election is the exam. You need a burnol. It heals your wounds very fast.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

In politics election is the exam. You need a burnol. It heals your wounds very fast.

We will see

 

[-SINAN-]

EU said today it will support the democratic forces, which means it will strengthen oppossition.

No, EU should stay out of it if they don't want to play in to Erdoğan's hand. Foreign intervention into domestic policies of Turkey viewed negatively by Turkish people.

EU made an excellent job by not answering Erdoğan's "Nazi"rants..That said, this spat with Holland and Germany gained him %2 of the votes studies showed.....if EU had a neutral stance from the beginning, Erdoğan would have lost.

 

[T-Rex]

We will see

Of course you will.

 

[Luffy 500]

As Far As I remember Zulfiqar Bhutto,Qaddafi,King Faisal. this trio put an effort together to Form a strong muslims Empowerment plateform Known as OIC but they were screwed by west one after another and after that air from the baloon of OIC was all out.Now I see a few men worth considering for a Role like this but The ones who made those three disappear wont let this happen easily.

I will be really frank here bro. I hate socialist secular dictators like Gaddafi and Bhutto. Buttos lust for power is largely responsible for the 71 disaster and this is coming from a bangladeshi. Gaddafi was dictator who undermined Islam in libya. He may have some good points but gaddafi's apparent "anti-western" rhetoric does NOT in anyway justify the crimes he committed against Muslims in libya. Anti-western rhetoric does NOT automatically whitewash crimes of despots. Though I condemn the way western powers took advantage of people's revolution in libya but that's expected from the west.Among the leaders you mentioned the only one I have deep respect for is King Faisal (may Allah have mercy on him). Indeed he genuinely cared about the ummah and was sincere.

But I agree with the gist of your post. OIC was a good initiative and given the post-colonial climate of a liberal secular world order I am surprised that an organization such as OIC (regardless of its effectiveness) even exists. What is needed is an workable model for the OIC and strong sincere leaders NOT bogged down in internal conflicts and beholden to foreign powers.

The West including Russia and china would naturally cause impediments to any projects strengthening Muslim unity. Its natural and expected from them. But no matter what they plan , Allah (swt) is the best of planners. We Muslims have to try our best from our respective positions and put our trust in Allah (swt). Insha'Allah muslims would be Geo-politically victorious once again.

 

[Luffy 500]

have to lol about this comment....

Have u forgotten ww1 and ww2 which completely rerolled the political map of europe
Internal stability? 1945 many nations in Europe were completely ruined... their government system was blown away by the war and replaced by western democracy or eastern communism... in 1990 in east europe the system was overthrown again by removing the communism fail system with democracy... states seperated..grow back together ... we had military dictatorships after ww2 in spain and in greece that the EU had to overcome and u talk about luxury of internal stability... UK had a civil war with irland etc. etc.
The biggest Army´s ever were facing each other in east and west Germany for 4 decades with million of soldiers and thousend of tanks and jet fighter battle ready 24/7

The western leaders had to worry about so much more...

WWI and WWII did NOT destroy western institutions. WWI was totally trench war fare and hardly any damage to age old state institutions. After WWII German civil society, bureaucrats and anti-nazi opposition took over . In Japan you had war-criminals become PM and influential leaders. Both Japan & Germany already had educated population, Industrial know how and a thriving civil society. There was NO social or economic damage on USA - the leader of the western world. Britain remained free of occupation. Those wars were West VS West based on secular materialistic ideologies like Liberal democracy VS Facism & Nazism. It was same with the cold war capitalism VS communism - both secular materialistic western world views. The western countries like Germany were NOT colonized but were integrated by one strand of their western brethren in a world order that solely reflected western sociology-cultural world view. The same can NOT be said about the Muslim world who were colonized by cultural & ideological aliens, robbed off their wealth & heritage and then forced to abide by rules and regulation set by these alien colonial forces. You sir, simply did NOT get my post that you replied to.

 

[Fledgingwings]

I will be really frank here bro. I hate socialist secular dictators like Gaddafi and Bhutto. Buttos lust for power is largely responsible for the 71 disaster and this is coming from a bangladeshi. Gaddafi was dictator who undermined Islam in libya. He may have some good points but gaddafi's apparent "anti-western" rhetoric does NOT in anyway justify the crimes he committed against Muslims in libya. Anti-western rhetoric does NOT automatically whitewash crimes of despots. Though I condemn the way western powers took advantage of people's revolution in libya but that's expected from the west.Among the leaders you mentioned the only one I have deep respect for is King Faisal (may Allah have mercy on him). Indeed he genuinely cared about the ummah and was sincere.

But I agree with the gist of your post. OIC was a good initiative and given the post-colonial climate of a liberal secular world order I am surprised that an organization such as OIC (regardless of its effectiveness) even exists. What is needed is an workable model for the OIC and strong sincere leaders NOT bogged down in internal conflicts and beholden to foreign powers.

The West including Russia and china would naturally cause impediments to any projects strengthening Muslim unity. Its natural and expected from them. But no matter what they plan , Allah (swt) is the best of planners. We Muslims have to try our best from our respective positions and put our trust in Allah (swt). Insha'Allah muslims would be Geo-politically victorious once again.

Totally agree with you bro.But west is a major factor of the muslim world being divided in various dimension.and as a matter of fact is juicing their intrests from muslim countries individually.now the question is who and how will any body make this ummah unite and work for each others intretsts and be each others shield?