The Martyr Muath Operation - First Revenge

[al-Hasani]

Maybe, most likely only in specific special operations. Assad won't do anything, otherwise he would be defending daesh thus admitting his alliance with them.

And certainly not Arabs, only Jordanians, the emiraties have already pulled out while the other arab members of the coalition don't want to get too involved (because they're- well, I'll just not say anything)

The problem with this coalition as I see it is that the genocidal maniac that is Al-Assad is left alone. As bad as Daesh are then Al-Asshead is the other side of the same coin. Or certainly from the same currency. Regardless of Daesh being the bigger threat for the region. Al-Assad was the one that used those same Islamists for years in nearby Iraq (before the civil war started) and he also released thousands of Islamists from his jails, including the current leader of Al-Nusra when the civil war started.

Assad regime released extremists from jail, says former intelligence official | The National

Assad Helped Build al-Qaeda In Syria - Business Insider

Syria's Assad accused of boosting al-Qaeda with secret oil deals - Telegraph

If you want to secure the pipes you have to take out all the sewer rats. Not half of them.

UAE has nothing to gain from doing airstrikes. USAF were already doing most of them. States are always looking out for their interests first before anything else. The gains for UAE by taking part in the coalition do not outweigh the potential negative consequences at all. One Daesh attack in Dubai could create havoc for the several billion dollar tourism sector in the UAE, business etc.

If we are brutally honest then Daesh has not attacked UAE or the GCC outside of 2-3 deadly attacks in KSA over a period of 2-3 years. Neither are they a military threat. Daesh is a Iraqi/Syrian phenomenon. Born and breed there. The only threat for the GCC are INTERNAL sleeper cells. Nobody takes it seriously when certain people talk about KSA being conquered by Daesh. They won't survive even if they tried to cross the Saudi Arabian-Iraqi border.

UAE's decision is understandable. Many objective observers are of the same opinion.

Also if we are extremely honest then Jordan would not have done those additional aerial bombardments had al-Kasasbeh not been killed by Daesh.

I support airstrikes against Daesh but airstrikes alone won't defeat them. Only weaken them severely. Troops on the ground are needed and if the international society want this to happen they should make a joint Western/regional force. No country outside of USA can do a difference on the ground alone without huge sacrifices. Nobody is ready for that. This is mainly a battle for the Iraqi army and FSA in Syria. Hard but that's the reality.

Also let's pretend that Daesh get defeated in 3 years time. Give it 5-6 years of wars, conflicts, bad regimes etc. in the region and a worse terrorist organization than Daesh will emerge. Then push the repeat button and the same story will be repeated time and time again.

The region is dominated by hotheads. Not cool heads. That's why there are so many problems. Among thousands of other reasons.

How can there be cooperation and solidarity when regimes and people do not even trust each other? Would this region be a mess if regimes and people could trust each other? Could reach political compromises in peace etc.? Were cool-headed? Of course not.

 

[Ahmed Jo]

The problem with this coalition as I see it is that the genocidal maniac that is Al-Assad is left alone. As bad as Daesh are then Al-Asshead is the other side of the same coin. Or certainly from the same currency. Regardless of Daesh being the bigger threat for the region. Al-Assad was the one that used those same Islamists for years in nearby Iraq (before the civil war started) and he also released thousands of Islamists from his jails, including the current leader of Al-Nusra when the civil war started.

Assad regime released extremists from jail, says former intelligence official | The National

Assad Helped Build al-Qaeda In Syria - Business Insider

Syria's Assad accused of boosting al-Qaeda with secret oil deals - Telegraph

If you want to secure the pipes you have to take out all the sewer rats. Not half of them.

UAE has nothing to gain from doing airstrikes. USAF were already doing most of them. States are always looking out for their interests first before anything else. The gains for UAE by taking part in the coalition do not outweigh the potential negative consequences at all. One Daesh attack in Dubai could create havoc for the several billion dollar tourism sector in the UAE, business etc.

If we are brutally honest then Daesh has not attacked UAE or the GCC outside of 2-3 deadly attacks in KSA over a period of 2-3 years. Neither are they a military threat. Daesh is a Iraqi/Syrian phenomenon. Born and breed there. The only threat for the GCC are INTERNAL sleeper cells. Nobody takes it seriously when certain people talk about KSA being conquered by Daesh. They won't survive even if they tried to cross the Saudi Arabian-Iraqi border.

UAE's decision is understandable. Many objective observers are of the same opinion.

Also if we are extremely honest then Jordan would not have done those additional aerial bombardments had al-Kasasbeh not been killed by Daesh.

I support airstrikes against Daesh but airstrikes alone won't defeat them. Only weaken them severely. Troops on the ground are needed and if the international society want this to happen they should make a joint Western/regional force. No country outside of USA can do a difference on the ground alone without huge sacrifices. Nobody is ready for that. This is mainly a battle for the Iraqi army and FSA in Syria. Hard but that's the reality.

But the thing is that Assad hasn't attacked Jordan nor did he try to destabilize it before the civil war (or after) kind of like his father did. He accepted that Jordan was permanently there and that it wouldn't simply bend to his will and thus had good relations with Jordan prior to the civil war. So there would be no legitimate justification for Jordan to go against the syrian regime, it would fall under the category of 'not our business'. If there are Syrians who support him, why should I concern myself so much?

Daesh is intent on spreading their cancer as much as possible and so they are not just a Syrian-Iraqi problem, not even only a levant problem. If they are left unchecked, they will wreak much more havoc on the region and that is why Jordan joined the coalition in the first place. Because they are heading for Jordan, not simply because they were evil. If we used that logic then we should invade half of Africa, North Korea, and many other places where there are evil regimes. There is too much evil in this world to catch up with. The point is to let everyone know to stay away from you and not dare attack, that is when the army must be deployed.

I think there will be troops on the ground, probably American and Jordanian as well as some NATO involvement. I don't see any other arab countries getting involved with troops which is a shame.

Btw, they now do terrorist attacks in Egypt so it's understandable that Egypt is not partaking in the coalition, they have enough to deal with at home.

 

[al-Hasani]

But the thing is that Assad hasn't attacked Jordan nor did he try to destabilize it before the civil war (or after) kind of like his father did. He accepted that Jordan was permanently there and that it wouldn't simply bend to his will and thus had good relations with Jordan prior to the civil war. So there would be no legitimate justification for Jordan to go against the syrian regime, it would fall under the category of 'not our business'. If there are Syrians who support him, why should I concern myself so much?

Daesh is intent on spreading their cancer as much as possible and so they are not just a Syrian-Iraqi problem, not even only a levant problem. If they are left unchecked, they will wreak much more havoc on the region and that is why Jordan joined the coalition in the first place. Because they are heading for Jordan, not simply because they were evil. If we used that logic then we should invade half of Africa, North Korea, and many other places where there are evil regimes. There is too much evil in this world to catch up with. The point is to let everyone know to stay away from you and not dare attack, that is when the army must be deployed.

I think there will be troops on the ground, probably American and Jordanian as well as some NATO involvement. I don't see any other arab countries getting involved with troops which is a shame.

Btw, they now do terrorist attacks in Egypt so it's understandable that Egypt is not partaking in the coalition, they have enough to deal with at home.

Al-Asshead is a vicious genocidal maniac that has been killing Syrians like cattle. A well-known supporter of every terrorist group that can walk in the region. A regime that is a puppet of the destructive Iranian Mullah's who are hellbent on destroying the Arab world. Al-Asshead is a very big part of the current mess. Daesh's rise and very existence is also something that he has contributed too. Al-Asshead might not be able to hurt any neighbor right now but do you really think that he is an ally of Jordan? The same regime that he and his regime have insulted openly and consider as enemies?

It's also largely Al-Asshead's fault that Jordan has been flooded by around 1 million Syrian refugees. You seem to totally neglect (at least this is the impression I get - I might be wrong) his role here. All while the world has been obsessing about Daesh around 50 civilians in Syria were killed by the Al-Asshead regime. Many children. Just today.

I am not against removing or doing aerial bombardments against Daesh. Please read my post. I just don't think that there is a real plan to combat them and I believe that the defeat of Daesh is closely tied to the removal of Al-Asshead. The sooner he is removed the smaller role Islamists will play. The more civilians he kills the more supporters groups like Daesh will gain. That's the shortsightedness that I am talking about. It's all based on emotions.

The Iraqi army and FSA can deal with them with the right support. The Iraqi army and pro-state Sunni Arabs are already defeating Daesh in Iraq by large. Babil, Diyala and most of Salah-ad-Din province have been cleaned from their filth.
I for once believe that KSA should not send ground troops unless Daesh attacks KSA which I doubt. All countries around KSA outside of GCC and Jordan (at least for now) are burning or in great chaos. This can spread to KSA any moment if the country is not ready. We are engaged in a covert war with the Mullah's too and they are hellbent on hurting us.

I don't believe that Jordan will send more than a symbolic number of ground troops should a coalition be created which the world has not done here 4 years after the civil war erupted which is pathetic as well but that's another discussion altogether.

 

[Ahmed Jo]

Al-Asshead is a vicious genocidal maniac that has been killing Syrians like cattle. A well-known supporter of every terrorist group that can walk in the region. A regime that is a puppet of the destructive Iranian Mullah's who are hellbent on destroying the Arab world. Al-Asshead is a very big part of the current mess. Daesh's rise and very existence is also something that he has contributed too. Al-Asshead might not be able to hurt any neighbor right now but do you really think that he is an ally of Jordan? The same regime that he and his regime have insulted openly and consider as enemies?

It's also largely Al-Asshead's fault that Jordan has been flooded by around 1 million Syrian refugees. You seem to totally neglect (at least this is the impression I get - I might be wrong) his role here. All while the world has been obsessing about Daesh around 50 civilians in Syria were killed by the Al-Asshead regime. Many children. Just today.

I am not against removing or doing aerial bombardments against Daesh. Please read my post. I just don't think that there is a real plan to combat them and I believe that the defeat of Daesh is closely tied to the removal of Al-Asshead. The sooner he is removed the smaller role Islamists will play. The more civilians he kills the more supporters groups like Daesh will gain. That's the shortsightedness that I am talking about. It's all based on emotions.

The Iraqi army and FSA can deal with them with the right support. The Iraqi army and pro-state Sunni Arabs are already defeating Daesh in Iraq by large. Babil, Diyala and most of Salah-ad-Din province have been cleaned from their filth.
I for once believe that KSA should not send ground troops unless Daesh attacks KSA which I doubt. All countries around KSA outside of GCC and Jordan (at least for now) are burning or in great chaos. This can spread to KSA any moment if the country is not ready. We are engaged in a covert war with the Mullah's too and they are hellbent on hurting us.

I don't believe that Jordan will send more than a symbolic number of ground troops should a coalition be created which the world has not done here 4 years after the civil war erupted which is pathetic as well but that's another discussion altogether.

I'm not supporting Assad, I'm just saying that there is no justification for Jordan to attack his regime. Jordan accepted the refugees because it's the right thing to do, and yes it is completely Assad's fault that they are all refugees and that his country is infested with terrorists but that's still not enough reason for Jordan to attack it. KSA can afford to do something like this, they are far away enough, they have enough money to finance such a war but for Jordan that has to be the last option. The Iraqi army is not going into Syria and I find it hard to believe that the FSA would be able to defeat the Syrian regime, except maybe if they receive an unprecedented amount of logistical support from states that want the fall of Assad (which I also doubt will happen but we'll see).


Oh and Jordan won't stop until daesh is destroyed, not just symbolic.

https://twitter.com/x/status/563493785695293441

 

[al-Hasani]

I'm not supporting Assad, I'm just saying that there is no justification for Jordan to attack his regime. Jordan accepted the refugees because it's the right thing to do, and yes it is completely Assad's fault that they are all refugees and that his country is infested with terrorists but that's still not enough reason for Jordan to attack it. KSA can afford to do something like this, they are far away enough, they have enough money to finance such a war but for Jordan that has to be the last option. The Iraqi army is not going into Syria and I find it hard to believe that the FSA would be able to defeat the Syrian regime, except maybe if they receive an unprecedented amount of logistical support from states that want the fall of Assad (which I also doubt will happen but we'll see).

I am not saying that Jordan should attack Al-Asshead alone. I am just saying that the current coalition (which includes KSA, Turkey, most if not all GCC states) should have targeted Al-Asshead positions too. If most of us here can agree that Daesh and Al-Asshead are different sides of the same coin or at least same currency then I find it very strange that he is not targeted too. I think that we owe it to all his thousands of victims. Just like we owe the victims of Daesh justice.

I am just saying that I see the same mistakes being repeated. It's like the world leaders never learn anything. They don't understand that Al-Asshead and Daesh are tied. They are both part of the same conflict and problem. You can't just take Daesh out and think that there will be no more extremism etc. In fact I predict it only to increase as all those thousands of victims of Al-Asshead will rightly feel left alone and the potential for even more violent groups in the future than Daesh is real too. We saw it happening before our very eyes during the Syrian civil war so it's not like I am inventing stuff here for the sake of it.

The US is also more worried about Ukraine nowadays and the conflict with Russia.

If I was a leader of the GCC I would try to make a deal with Turkey on Al-Asshead/Daesh. Both groups could do the job if both were willing to make the sacrifices which is the big question here. I am not counting Egypt here because they have their to look after. In fact it seems that all countries have this which might explain the lack of will to do anything to solve the problems. Outside of this newly created coalition that so far is only doing aerial bombardments and it seems not to solve much in Syria.

 

[Rakan.SA]

id like to point out that its not acceptable and its haram to humiliate the quran Allah's words by writing them on the bombs.
im sure they had good intentions there is no doubt.
but ppl must know that its not right or acceptable in anyway so it won't be repeated again in the future by any muslim. from any country. its ok to right an aya on the plane or having a small quran with the pilot but not on the bombs. the bombs are made to do the dirty job of killing and destroying the enemy. so Allah's words should not be written on such things.

رحم الله شهداء المسلمين
و الله يصبر اهاليهم
و من رحمة الله و كرمه ان الشهداء يشفعو لاهاليهم باذن الله

 

[Pak-Americanos]

Can anyone confirm if this is true?

 

[al-Hasani]

Can anyone confirm if this is true?

Sounds like complete nonsense and the usual conspiracy theory. It was likely an freak engine failure that can occur for anyone. This just occurred at the first possible time in the worst possible place.

 

[Pak-Americanos]

Sounds like complete nonsense and the usual conspiracy theory. It was likely an freak engine failure that can occur for anyone. This just occurred at the first possible time in the worst possible place.

Doesn't Jordan have an Inspection team prior to their jets flying? It's odd that the Emirate female pilot was the last Person who spotted the jet but did not report it going down when she got back to base. Afterwards the Emirate Air force suspended air raids. I know it may sound like nonsense but I think their is some truth to this.

 

[al-Hasani]

Doesn't Jordan have an Inspection team prior to their jets flying? It's odd that the Emirate female pilot was the last Person who spotted the jet but did not report it going down when she got back to base. Afterwards the Emirate Air force suspended air raids. I know it may sound like nonsense but I think their is some truth to this.

Yes but freak accidents have occurred despite getting the go ahead before departure countless of times across the world. The official story is that the planed crashed due to mechanical problems and it's also the most probable. Daesh claims that they shot the plane down but with what?

How reliable is that information? If we assume that this was correct then did Miriam spot the plane going down? If not there is nothing strange about going back to base without reporting anyone missing.

There is no way that if Miriam was somehow involved then it must have occurred by a mistake. Anything else is insane. If it occurred by a mistake (friendly fire) then the logical thing would be to report it as soon so a possible rescue mission could start right away.

Nah, I don't believe that absurd theory.

Because UAE has too much to loose. One terror attack in Dubai, Abu Dhabi or elsewhere in the UAE could damage the billion dollar big tourism sector and countless of other sectors. They have probably reached a conclusion that it's not worth the risk anymore after months/several weeks of bombing raids. If a Emirati pilot was killed this way then UAE would deliver a similar reaction. Anyone would. Every state is looking out for their interests first as well.

 

[xenon54 out]

Good luck Jordan.

 

[Ind4Ever]

Jordan sure knows how to respond to terrorism. It took us 10 years+ to devise even minor and mild anti terrorism laws. I think we Pakistanis should learn from jordan and hang every terrorist we lay our hands on.

Exactly . We indians yet to learn about handling terrorists . We should also support jordanian people and people if Pakistan and go after the terrorists who want to plan attack on India. Our sukois can shed massive terror on terrorists heavens. Hope our Indian government wakes up. No place for terror

Go for it . Jordan ...

 

[Imran Khan]

Tens of JAF F-16s have raided ISIL pigs positions at once:

The F-16s fly over Amman and Karak (Muath's home town) after the return from the raids:

why so many multi loaders and hard points are empty ?

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

 

[Ahmed Jo]

Doesn't Jordan have an Inspection team prior to their jets flying? It's odd that the Emirate female pilot was the last Person who spotted the jet but did not report it going down when she got back to base. Afterwards the Emirate Air force suspended air raids. I know it may sound like nonsense but I think their is some truth to this.

Some believe this but I don't. I actually don't believe any un-substantiated claims what ever they are, I hold off until real evidence is available.

National unity is our single most valuable asset.