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The Little Israel in India

have you ever seen advertisements?
They go to great lengths describing how great the product is...we don't believe them always do we?
The Bhagwad Geeta/Quran/bible etc would tell you how the respective religions are the greatest in the pursuit of the realization of god...when you choose one...you'd see all the others as stupid ads.


Exuse me, u cannot compare Religious documents with those long adds, these are the Ideas which are followed by every Individual & these are the force behind actions & Life of an individual, these Ideas are not just words there are perspectives & u just cant say its Blah Blah & Blah & reject it, becuase many actions of ordinary man are because of these religious documents its just that some ppl use them for their personal thoughts, Nazism was a Curse, which ate ppl in Millions, We cannot just forget about these Ideologies & Religions because these things do effect lives of Individuals
 
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King Hussein, a Muslim, of Jordan, a Muslim country, lead the operation. Pakistan sided with Jordanians, Muslims. Unfortunately this was a conflict between Muslims.

Pakistan never had and never will take the side of Zionist Israel ever.
yes Jordan which has diplomatic relations with Israel, which was placed by the British as a puppet over the local population.

Saudis, Jordanians and Turks have covert defence and security relations with Israelis. An ofcourse PLO confiscated soviet weapons were sent to Pakistan (under Zia's watch) by the Israelis for the Afghan war.

Bro, the world revolved around strategic interests, while the politicians use emotive appeals to hide their actions and fool the masses, this happens both in India and Pakistan.

For example, if US-India relations go down the drain, Israel will drop India like a hot potato. And India would/should be careful to not affect Indian/Iranian or India/Arab relations again because of its interests.
For example Indian-Arab relations are far more massive than Israeli-Indian relations in terms of trade an education
 
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Exuse me, u cannot compare Religious documents with those long adds, these are the Ideas which are followed by every Individual & these are the force behind actions & Life of an individual, these Ideas are not just words there are perspectives & u just cant say its Blah Blah & Blah & reject it, becuase many actions of ordinary man are because of these religious documents its just that some ppl use them for their personal thoughts, Nazism was a Curse, which ate ppl in Millions, We cannot just forget about these Ideologies & Religions because these things do effect lives of Individuals

As i said anything can be manipulated.... Internet is not short of articles with manipulated versions of Islam with sayings. So manipulating jews as a whole as evil is more like behaving like Nazi. I think same was done by Hitler.
 
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As i said anything can be manipulated.... Internet is not short of articles with manipulated versions of Islam with sayings. So manipulating jews as a whole as evil is more like behaving like Nazi. I think same was done by Hitler.

I m not manipulating Jewsim, I m talking about the Zionists, There are Jews who are even the sate of Israel, i m talking about the extremist Jews who are right now Dominating Israel
I would like to share with you an essay written in 1947 (before the formation of the modern state in Israel) by a Zionist named Walter Zander, who was very critical of the Herzlian Zionists. It is called "Is This The Way?" and is a plea to the Jewish people to recognize that the Herzlian Zionists were going about our return to the land entirely the wrong way. http://www.walterzander.info/acrobat/Is%20This the Way.pdf
Let me be clear - not all Jews are peace-loving, just like not all Muslims are peace-loving, and just like not all individuals of any particular group are peace-loving or all share the same views, beliefs, and opinions. However, the truth remains that the Zionists who founded the modern state in Israel did not and do not represent all the Jews but the Extremist Jews, most of the people in Israel are subjected to propaganda, is there any Ideology which says "practice sniping on innocent Children"
 
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yes Jordan which has diplomatic relations with Israel, which was placed by the British as a puppet over the local population.

Saudis, Jordanians and Turks have covert defence and security relations with Israelis. An ofcourse PLO confiscated soviet weapons were sent to Pakistan (under Zia's watch) by the Israelis for the Afghan war.

Bro, the world revolved around strategic interests, while the politicians use emotive appeals to hide their actions and fool the masses, this happens both in India and Pakistan.

For example, if US-India relations go down the drain, Israel will drop India like a hot potato. And India would/should be careful to not affect Indian/Iranian or India/Arab relations again because of its interests.
For example Indian-Arab relations are far more massive than Israeli-Indian relations in terms of trade an education

Again, Pakistan has no relations with Israel.
Israel is the only country that Pakistan doesn't recognize.

India is much closer to Israel than any Muslim country.

Israel is the largest arms supplier to India.

Russia and Israel are the two closest allies of India.

Muslim countries in the OIC always supported Pakistan on the Kashmir dispute.

India voted against Iran in the International Atomic Energy Agency in 2005 under pressure from its' Western allies, which took Iran by surprise. A "hurt" Ali Larijani was reported as saying: "India was our friend".
 
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I m not manipulating Jewsim, I m talking about the Zionists, There are Jews who are even the sate of Israel, i m talking about the extremist Jews who are right now Dominating Israel
I would like to share with you an essay written in 1947 (before the formation of the modern state in Israel) by a Zionist named Walter Zander, who was very critical of the Herzlian Zionists. It is called "Is This The Way?" and is a plea to the Jewish people to recognize that the Herzlian Zionists were going about our return to the land entirely the wrong way. http://www.walterzander.info/acrobat/Is This the Way.pdf
Let me be clear - not all Jews are peace-loving, just like not all Muslims are peace-loving, and just like not all individuals of any particular group are peace-loving or all share the same views, beliefs, and opinions. However, the truth remains that the Zionists who founded the modern state in Israel did not and do not represent all the Jews but the Extremist Jews

See the relation between India and Israel is based on interests. they have something which we want. It has nothing to do with their history. It is same as Pakistan procures weapons and help from china. So what is the point? I am still not able to get what actually are we discussing here. I mean is it evils of Israel or is it Indian Israel relationship.
 
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Again, Pakistan has no relations with Israel.
Israel is the only country that Pakistan doesn't recognize.

India is much closer to Israel than any Muslim country.

Israel is the largest arms supplier to India.

Russia and Israel are the two closest allies of India.

Muslim countries in the OIC always supported Pakistan on the Kashmir dispute with India.

India voted against Iran in the International Atomic Energy Agency in 2005 under pressure from its' Western allies, which took Iran by surprise. A "hurt" Ali Larijani was reported as saying: "India was our friend".

We have 100 billion dollar trade with middle east which is far more than what we have with Israel. We do not go by religion when we trade. We just look at the equations of profit and loss and strategic importance.
 
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Again, Pakistan has no relations with Israel.
Israel is the only country that Pakistan doesn't recognize.

India is much closer to Israel than any Muslim country.

Israel is the largest arms supplier to India.

Russia and Israel are the two closest allies of India.

Muslim countries in the OIC always supported Pakistan on the Kashmir dispute.

India voted against Iran in the International Atomic Energy Agency in 2005 under pressure from its' Western allies, which took Iran by surprise. A "hurt" Ali Larijani was reported as saying: "India was our friend".

Doesn't change the fact that Israel-Indian relations are because of mutual strategic interests rather than some Hindu-Zionist conspiracy. (A favorite of ZH and I might admit some right wingers in India as well)

I might add that
US is the largest defence supplier to Pakistan
US is the largest non-military aid supplier to Pakistan
US has almost always supported Pakistan on Kahsmir in UN

So that means US and Pakistan are the closets of allies right? Get my point on strategic and mutual interests?

I would admit that Iranians may have been surprised, but I would expect GoI to make good their relations with Iranians. Infact, if the sanctions were lifted on Iran, India would wholehearted invest in Iran.
At present India (along with China) is the only country that actually provides processed Gasoline to Iran "despite" sanctions. Surely this would be seen as help in hard times when no one else wants to provide gasoline to Iran.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...mports-to-Iran-foiled-by-India-and-China.html
 
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The Little Israel in India

Written by Abhijay Patel Headlines, World

It’s interesting to note that while both India and Israel with the help of the US, of course, are bent on the break-up of Pakistan – Israelis with the help of its powerful Jewish Lobby in the US and Britain – are also on their way to establish a second little Zionist entity in India next to Muslim Bangladesh and Buddhist Burma. Of course, the later is not a hot topic in India or the West -thanks to the anti-Muslim partnership between Hindu and Jew extremists who own the mainstream media both in India and the West.

The Zionist rabbis (mostly European-Asian Khazars) have been recruiting “the lost Jewish brothers” around the world to replace the native Muslims and Christian Palestinians – in order to fulfil the Zionists’ dream of a Jewish demographic western colony in the Muslim-majority Middle East. In the 1980s, Rabbi Eliyahu Avichail, found some 9,000 lost Jewish souls in a very unexpected place – among the Chin-Kuku-Mizo tribe, which lives in Indian states of Manipur and Mizoram, bordering Mayanmar where Buddhist rulers have been carrying out genocide of Muslim minority (4 million) for decades. In March 2005, Israel’s Chaief Rabbi Shlomo Amar, recognized these Indian tribesmen (Beni Menashe) as “the descendents of prophet Jusuf’s (Joseph) son Menassah. Since then, 1700 of them have been brought to Israel and got them settled on the confiscated Palestinian lands.

In addition to Beni Menashe, the other “Jewish communities” Israelis found are – Beni Israel, Cochin (Malabar) Jews and European Jews who came with the British colonists. The British colonization of India was a Jewish Rothschild family project. Both the first governor of India under the British East India Company, Lord Clive and the last Governor General of the British India (also the first Governor General of India after independence), Lord Mountbatten (Queen’s uncle) were known for their close links with the Rothschild family.

Christopher Jon Bjerknes in a recent article has claimed that Jewish elites collaborated with the British colonists during India’s War of Independence (British call it a “Mutiny”) in 1857 – which resulted in death of millions of Hindus and especially the ruling Muslims which ushered the end of the Mughal dynasty (1526-1857) and 1,000 year of Muslim rule in India.

On August 19, 2009 – John Kaminski co-authored with Arun Shrivastva an article, titled Second Israeli state emerging in India, in which they wrote:

“Activities presaging the creation of a second Israeli state are well-known in India, but not elsewhere. Most everyone remembers how the first Israel popped onto the world scene in 1948 and has continued mass murdering its neighbors and hapless nations that fall under its sway ever since.

Precisely, political stealth moves over the last three decades and an aggressive outreach effort by “rabbis from Israel” to convert inhabitants of the three easternmost provinces of India to Judaism have been reported for years by Indian patriots in the Himalayan foothills who seek to return their country to its much longed for pre-British liberty.

By means of “a ritual bath,” rabbis promise penniless Christian, Muslim and pagan converts a trip to Israel and preferred employment status, then buy votes of peasants, take over local boards and pass laws to legalize their manipulations, the same way they do everywhere else.

While the core issue in this geopolitical expansion of Rothschild-Rockefeller money empire that controls the world is proximity to the centuries old center of opium production run by the generals in Myanmar, the creation of a new Israeli state in the exact center of China, India and Southeast Asia augurs badly for the peoples of the region, as the current level of destabilization among Israel’s neighbors in the Middle East clearly illustrates.

Bharat patriots in the Himalayan state of of Himachal Pradesh today describe the region as the new pot growing capital of the world, with Israelis in every community guiding the industry clear on up to the Indo-Tibetan border.

The latest news from that beautiful border area is this. Dharamshala became Tibetan Dalai Lama’s de facto capital ever since the Chinese annexed Tibet. Some of the world’s most high profile leaders and Hollywood stars (like Richard Gere) are regular visitors.

In these peaceful parts, what are 20,000-plus Israelis doing? Many in Manali town and its surrounding villages speak Hebrew. Near Dharamshala no less than 10 villages have been taken over by the Israelis. It has long been known that the Dalai Lama gets a very large annual stipend from the CIA, and is planning to create a Buddhist independent nation across the Himalayas, stretching from Ladakh in Kashmir to Arunachal Pradesh in Northeastern India.

The war on Afghanistan and Pakistan by the U.S. is a drug war. The locals want to do away with drugs, but the Jews and U.S. want to keep profiting from this moneymaking scheme, because for centuries this particular secret industry has literally ruled the world with its profits.

The creation of a New Israel right in the middle of the major East Asian markets sheds new light on the American military assaults on Pakistan and Afghanistan, as its war against the Muslims of the region more and more resembles the Jewish-dominated political cooptation and military oppression in the Middle East.

Millions of penniless Indian and Bangledeshi peasants have for centuries provided slave labor to the British overlords who have always ruled Burma with puppets and who have plagued China and India with their opium. China in particular has every right to bear seriously ill will against the Jewish Sassoons of the world who control people’s minds through exploitation of their weaknesses.

Mizoram, Manipur and Nagaland. These are the three states that border Myanmar where sinister Jewish manipulation of desperate societies has become obvious.

This remote region of India north and east of Bangladesh is shrouded by the awful memory of what has come to be known as the Nellie Massacre, when in 1983 1500 Muslims were hacked to death after being promised it was safe to vote by Indian President Indira Gandhi. Numerous government inquiries produced no perpetrators and no motives, so typical in a government investigation when that government is controlled by Jews. Relations between India and Israel have warmed considerably in recent years.

The Nellie slaughter looked like a manipulated false flag massacre because Muslims and the indigenous Tiwas are not enemies. And it resembles the 9/11 coverup in the United States, where a major false flag operation was also blamed on Muslims.

The same result more recently occurred in Bombay, after 60 Uzi toting commandos shot up the Jewish Shabad House. On Nov. 26, 2008, a handful of terrorists, well trained and well armed, entered some high profile buildings and hotels, after killing three top anti-terrorist police officers and spraying bullets on common citizens in Mumbai. Latest information: 125 dead, around 300 injured some critically. Why was Shabad House never investigated? Muslims were rounded up, but the Jews, the ones who pulled the caper, were given a free pass, reminiscent of U.S Homeland Security czar Rabbi Michael Chertoff releasing 60 Israeli terror suspects immediately after the 9/11 incident…..”
The Little Israel in India Pakistan Ka Khuda Hafiz

Being a conspiracy theory buff..I still find it tough to gulp all of this...Not that all of the facts might be true in some form or shape, its their so interconnectedness and assumption that someone is sitting with a remote control and maing these things happen...a little far fetched.Dont you think?
 
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I think neither side disputes that Israel oppresses Palestinians, so let me sum it up:

The Pakistanis are saying that any trade with Israel is indirectly subsidizing their oppression of Palestinians.

The Indians are saying it's all business and they don't really care where their money goes.

Bottom line, Indians will do business with the devil if it serves their interest, while Pakistanis claim the moral high ground.

Yes, Pakistan does business with countries (US, China, Muslim countries) which also have policies against Muslims, but they can't compare in scale and intent to the Israeli atrocities.

PS. Israeli Arabs are not "living peacefully" in Israel. They are second class citizens who face daily discrimination in employment, housing, education, ...
 
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I think neither side disputes that Israel oppresses Palestinians, so let me sum it up:

The Pakistanis are saying that any trade with Israel is indirectly subsidizing their oppression of Palestinians.

The Indians are saying it's all business and they don't really care where their money goes.

Bottom line, Indians will do business with the devil if it serves their interest, while Pakistanis claim the moral high ground.

Yes, Pakistan does business with countries (US, China, Muslim countries) which also have policies against Muslims, but they can't compare in scale and intent to the Israeli atrocities.

PS. Israeli Arabs are not "living peacefully" in Israel. They are second class citizens who face daily discrimination in employment, housing, education, ...

See devil is a devil. No one is smaller or bigger devil. You consider west as the devil. Then why the hell is Zardari in the west asking for aid today. :no:

And i think US is considered as the biggest enemy of Islam and then you go to same US for aid. This is called back stabbing in simple terms or sleeping with the devil itself on its own terms. We just do business:devil: nothing more then that. You are actually working for the devil.:devil:

Anyways you also consider us a devil or part of devil brotherhood.:angel: so at least we can dine with our brothers.
 
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I think neither side disputes that Israel oppresses Palestinians, so let me sum it up:

The Pakistanis are saying that any trade with Israel is indirectly subsidizing their oppression of Palestinians.

The Indians are saying it's all business and they don't really care where their money goes.

Bottom line, Indians will do business with the devil if it serves their interest, while Pakistanis claim the moral high ground.

Yes, Pakistan does business with countries (US, China, Muslim countries) which also have policies against Muslims, but they can't compare in scale and intent to the Israeli atrocities.

PS. Israeli Arabs are not "living peacefully" in Israel. They are second class citizens who face daily discrimination in employment, housing, education, ...

Interesting comment. I suppose that moral high ground is prominently displayed by Pakistan's silence over Chinese atrocities of their own Muslim Uighur population, or Turkish suppression of Kurdish nationalism, or Darfur genocide in Sudan (China has immense influence with the Sudanese govt!).
Oh that comment about Israeli Arabs is unsubstantiated! FYI, Arabs serve in the IDF (they are not required to sign up for conscription and yet they join IDF, go figure!) and many a times are deployed in Gaza. You really don't know squat now, do ya?
 
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Anyways you also consider us a devil or part of devil brotherhood.:angel: so at least we can dine with our brothers.

You guys are the devil we know (and love ;))

Interesting comment. I suppose that moral high ground is prominently displayed by Pakistan's silence over Chinese atrocities of their own Muslim Uighur population, or Turkish suppression of Kurdish nationalism, or Darfur genocide in Sudan (China has immense influence with the Sudanese govt!).

I said that China and other Muslim countries' hands are not clean. Did you even read my post?

Oh that comment about Israeli Arabs is unsubstantiated! FYI, Arabs serve in the IDF (they are not required to sign up for conscription and yet they join IDF, go figure!) and many a times are deployed in Gaza.

Here's an Israeli source for you.
It smells like discrimination - Haaretz - Israel News

The widening gap between Israel's Jewish majority and the Arab minority is worrying and poses many questions as to the country's Arab-Jewish coexistence. Nearly every day statements are heard from senior figures concerning the legitimacy of Arab citizens, and unbridled attacks have become routine: MK Israel Hasson of Yisrael Beiteinu is talking about a second War of Independence against the Arab citizens in Israel, MK Otniel Schneller of Kadima is talking about establishing task forces to examine the possibility of population exchanges and the head of the Shin Bet security service is talking about the Arabs as a strategic threat.

Public opinion polls show that more than half of the Jewish respondents support government encouragement of Arab emigration, and a high percentage of those surveyed think Arab citizens do not deserve full equality. To put it simply, a significant segment of the Jews does not believe in real partnership with the country's Arab citizens.


There's more if you care to read the rest...

You really don't know squat now, do ya?

More than you, it seems.
 
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I said that China and other Muslim countries' hands are not clean. Did you even read my post?
Of course, you do say that my friend. I dont have any objection on your outlook in this instance, but in your post you claim moral high ground by Pakistan in general over India, and my reply was directed against that statement!
Here's an Israeli source for you.
It smells like discrimination - Haaretz - Israel News

The widening gap between Israel's Jewish majority and the Arab minority is worrying and poses many questions as to the country's Arab-Jewish coexistence. Nearly every day statements are heard from senior figures concerning the legitimacy of Arab citizens, and unbridled attacks have become routine: MK Israel Hasson of Yisrael Beiteinu is talking about a second War of Independence against the Arab citizens in Israel, MK Otniel Schneller of Kadima is talking about establishing task forces to examine the possibility of population exchanges and the head of the Shin Bet security service is talking about the Arabs as a strategic threat.

Public opinion polls show that more than half of the Jewish respondents support government encouragement of Arab emigration, and a high percentage of those surveyed think Arab citizens do not deserve full equality. To put it simply, a significant segment of the Jews does not believe in real partnership with the country's Arab citizens.
Ah, its Haaretz! What more can you say! Too left for my comfort and reality!
Jokes and jabs aside, I do know the plight of Israeli Arabs. My opinion is independently arrived at, but I do confess that articles by the likes of Uri Avnery, Jonathan Cook or Robert Fisk have had a somewhat of an impact.
That being said, not that I am defending Israel's actions, just like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia claim to be Islamic countries with the minorities being relegated to the sidelines, Israel was founded as a Jewish nation. So why so surprised if they treat minorities as other Islamic nations treat their minorities? Your protest sounds hollow or rather hypocritical.
More than you, it seems.
Seriously mate, vous n'avez pas idée c'est.
 
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Ah, its Haaretz! What more can you say! Too left for my comfort and reality!

Opinion polls are cold, hard facts, neither left nor right. And the article cited specific statements and demands by named Jewish lawmakers and state agencies. If you don't like to face the reality, then it's your choice, of course.

just like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia claim to be Islamic countries with the minorities being relegated to the sidelines, Israel was founded as a Jewish nation. So why so surprised if they treat minorities as other Islamic nations treat their minorities?

And, hey, Gaza is not Auschwitz, right? So why complain?
An absurd justification for an inhuman situation if I ever saw one.

Seriously mate, vous n'avez pas idée c'est.

J'en sais plus que vous, il paraît.
 
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