The Limited Military Utility of Pakistan’s "Battlefield Use" of Nuclear Weapons

[HRK]

is that possible to have a no war pact with india?

generally speaking possibilities always exist.

BTW don't read my reply in response to your query regarding the 'pact' .....

 

[Counterpunch]

From what I know and believe , Pakistan is not fool to fire battlefield size nukes just to provide an excuse to any attacker to nuke it back with more force. Pakistan, if it comes to that, will exercise a 'massive first strike' option! There's no sense in it but there is absolutely no sense in wounding a larger attacker and not killing it.

 

[MilSpec]

In today's scenario there is no point in holding territory. The best possible escalation is Syria styled civil war, worst situation would be massive air interdiction, with ground defence and naval blockade.

 

[SQ8]

In the underlined part above: one can include in the "mad and insane" elements that A.Q.Khan writes about elements like the ISIS/ISIL, Al-Qaeda,TTP , LET, JUD and the whole umbrella of Islamist Organisations in Pakistan that can suborn people in the Strategic Estt. of Pakistan and get their hands on the "trigger", so to speak.
That is also a real and present danger.

As I mentioned to all members across the border who harp on that tune: the probability of that happening is about the same as dolphins evolving wings and shooting laser beams from their heads. The paranoia that goes into the selection and mental screening/observation of personal in these organization is unmatched within the world.

 

[MilSpec]

As I mentioned to all members across the border who harp on that tune: the probability of that happening is about the same as dolphins evolving wings and shooting laser beams from their heads. The paranoia that goes into the selection and mental screening/observation of personal in these organization is unmatched within the world.

Your move chief....

 

[Rank]

All these equation is of no use. How many will die and how. If even a single Indian die because of nuclear attack than according to rule India will launch at least 50 nuclear weapons against Pakistan including hydrogen bombs, this has been mentioned by officials of GoI. So no nuke!!!

Also in piratical note. the first work of IAF will be taking out Pakistan's nuclear facilities.

Everyone can easily imagine how you get 7,000 + likes hahhahahaha such a shit post I've ever seen from Indian side lol...

 

[HRK]

In today's scenario there is no point in holding territory. The best possible escalation is Syria styled civil war, worst situation would be massive air interdiction, with ground defence and naval blockade.

In India-Pakistan scenario both models are not applicable, we have the examples of military operations in swat valley & FATA which negates any Syrian model.

Even naval blockade would not be that much helpful 'in future' because of the following reasons:

- 100% gas and 60% of oil demands are meet from the local resources & industry is working to increase local production of oil.

- Pakistan is almost self-sufficient in food & nutrition.

- Gas pipeline from Iran though is in under big '?' for the time being, but it has its strategic value in the future, therefore it will surely be completed at suitable time, which will also open some other venues of opportunities.

- Though Gwadar and Chabahar ports appear as the alternative to each other, but at the same time both 'have a potential' to serve each other as complementary ports in any future situation.

- Pakistan is almost self sufficient in small arms and ammunition, for the heavier arms our import will be from the North not from the south.

 

[Hurter]

There will not be a nuclear war in this region. 'NASR' missile would be enough to tackle Indian troops if war occurs.

 

[MilSpec]

There will not be a nuclear war in this region. 'NASR' missile would be enough to tackle Indian troops if war occurs.

that is the deal though if you read the article, To get nuetralize 1000 tanks, it will call for 100 15kt nukes... Imagine the response that would derive.

In India-Pakistan scenario both models are not applicable, we have the examples of military operations in swat valley & FATA which negates any Syrian model.

Even naval blockade would not be that much helpful 'in future' because of the following reasons:

- 100% gas and 60% of oil demands are meet from the local resources & industry is working to increase local production of oil.

- Pakistan is almost self-sufficient in food & nutrition.

- Gas pipeline from Iran though is in under big '?' for the time being, but it has its strategic value in the future, therefore it will surely be completed at suitable time, which will also open some other venues of opportunities.

- Though Gwadar and Chabahar ports appear as the alternative to each other, but at the same time both 'have a potential' to serve each other as complementary ports in any future situation.

- Pakistan is almost self sufficient in small arms and ammunition, for the heavier arms our import will be from the North not from the south.

2nd option is not just a naval blockade but a full blown air interdiction with the highest escalation on the ground assault escalation instead of actually using the IBG's with pivot corp in defensive formation.


Syrian model takes a long time to formulate. It takes immense amount of covert actions which India hasn't pursued nor has the capability to.

 

[Basel]

One thing is also very important is what kind of Nuclear Weapons Pakistan have specially for TNS? Did Pakistan have Thermonuclear weapon or neutron device for TNS??

In any future conventional war Pakistan now have many conventional options which will help us to defend our territory and Ra'ad, CM-400-AKG's are few to name them.

 

[Kompromat]

TNWs are just a smoke screen, a fear tactic. Pakistan has a sizeable inventory of thermobaric weapon systems on top of 40,000+ guided anti armor weapons and thousands of MBTs with Depleted Uranium rounds, which can do the job without using TNWs.

 

[shaheenmissile]

The article effectively says nukes are useless.

Then why countries go to such great length to have nukes?

 

[SrNair]

highly unlikely to happen
indian leadership will not compromise its cities and population but if they think like u do they probably would
if pakistan uses the tactical nukes most of the fall out will be contained with pakistan india wont be affected
but by your logic india will retaliate with a massive nuclear strike then so will pakistan
both will be toast

You are right.
But this is not my opinion.Shyam Saran already wrote about this extensively in 'The Hindu'.That is why we developed SSBN ,Each of ourcSSBN can carry 12 k15.Of course Pakistan will retaliate but our aim would be avoiding second chancecto our neighbour by massive non stop second strike.

 

[Mrc]

I do agree tactical nuclear weapons if used alone would be suicidal..as india most definitely will launch a massive retailiatory strike......

But this is not the whole story...
Pakistan can do it other way around as well....
Pak can launch a massive nuclear strike first and than use tac nukes for mop up of ingressing formations...

Or both tasks can be done simultaneously as well....

 

[shaheenmissile]

You are right.
But this is not my opinion.Shyam Saran already wrote about this extensively in 'The Hindu'.That is why we developed SSBN ,Each of ourcSSBN can carry 12 k15.Of course Pakistan will retaliate but our aim would be avoiding second chancecto our neighbour by massive non stop second strike.

Yes. For a K-15 attack India will need a tug and pontoon as no Indian sub is yet ready for carrying Ballistic missiles.