The Lightning Barak 8

[MokshaVimukthi]

It takes a lot of time to accelerate to Mach 2, missiles do that in seconds. Anyway, trying to outrun a SAM with speed is quite a dumb logic, no pilot would do that. You either have to outmaneuver it or fool it with countermeasures. Barak-8
is well-equipped to deal with those tactics.

Not in this day and age. No pilot is foolish enough to try and outmanoeuvre a missile. The only way out is to turn back and run or jam the signals. No one is going to wait for the missile to get so close that they have to use countermeasure like flares. That is a desperate move.

Most attack will come in form of a stand off missile. The age of dumb drop bombs are already gone.

 

[kaykay]

Not if that aircraft drops a couple of cruise missiles and goes back to pak or china

Do you know how SAMs are deployed in IA or IAF configurations? There are many formations for all type of terrains. It is done in order to get complete area denial with concerned area with some distances. For eg suppose many launchers are deployed at a distance of 70 km each in formation in order to cover the maximum area.

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

Dumb Logic again the Aircraft will be detected hundreds of Kilometers Away by Ground Based Radars By the time it will cross Danger zone It will be Dealt with Response By Our Fighters.There are Different Layers of air Defense Protection

Now that is Dumb.

Most strike missions will be flown close to nape of the earth and that gives VERY little time for Radars to see them and respond. Only AWACS can spot them in time, not ground based radars.

Besides the enemy would already know the locations of the Radars and will take every precaution to avoid it or make it less lethal.

 

[NKVD]

the Barak 8 can Intercept any kind of Stand off cruise Missiles, if we want to hunt the Mother Jet we should launch an Interceptor Aircraft

yeah I Know that Mate

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

Do you know how SAMs are deployed in IA or IAF configurations? There are many formations for all type of terrains. It is done in order to get complete area denial with concerned area with some distances. For eg suppose many launchers are deployed at a distance of 70 km each in formation in order to cover the maximum area.

Yes, that is because of the limitation of the missile. Which is exactly my point.

 

[kaykay]

Yes, that is because of the limitation of the missile. Which is exactly my point.

Not just It cover great area but also the response time will be much better too.

 

[Gessler]

Not in this day and age.

Depends on situation, nothing to do with day & age.

No pilot is foolish enough to try and outmanoeuvre a missile.

Neither would he be foolish enough to outrun one. When you're trying to get away from a SAM, acceleration matters, not speed. No plane in the world can accelerate faster than a SAM. By the time a plane at transonic speeds (Mach 0.8-1.0) can go to Mach 1.5, the missile would have shot up to Mach 2 and already hit the target.

The only way out is to turn back and run or jam the signals. No one is going to wait for the missile to get so close that they have to use countermeasure like flares.

Jamming is also part of countermeasures, in case you didn't know.

Most attack will come in form of a stand off missile.

As I said it depends on situation. If you're looking to pull off a stealthy attack, you need to fly low & slow and use guided munitions for the kill (like AASM for example). Stand off missile attack means flying high, fast, and usually 100s of kms away from the target. You don't need to worry about catching the plane in that case, just shooting down the incoming missiles - Barak-8 is great at that too.

The age of dumb drop bombs are already gone.

There isn't a cheaper way to effect static targets when you've got air dominance on your side. Agreed they're not the first choice of weapon in modern air forces, but they're not gone either.

 

[SajeevJino]

Do you know how SAMs are deployed in IA or IAF configurations? There are many formations for all type of terrains. It is done in order to get complete area denial with concerned area with some distances. For eg suppose many launchers are deployed at a distance of 70 km each in formation in order to cover the maximum area.

Air Defence Bubbles, They will launch Missiles from Stand off Area or from Friendly Territory

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

Not just It cover great area but also the response time will be much better too.

Again speed of the missile goes into deciding the response time. Which was also my point.

 

[kaykay]

Again speed of the missile goes into deciding the response time. Which was also my point.

Speed is okay. What makes it deadly is it can intercept even super sonic ALCMs.

 

[NKVD]

Now that is Dumb.

Most strike missions will be flown close to nape of the earth and that gives VERY little time for Radars to see them and respond. Only AWACS can spot them in time, not ground based radars.

Besides the enemy would already know the locations of the Radars and will take every precaution to avoid it or make it less lethal.

There are other Platforms to detect Enemy Movements Satellite Surveillance .Thats Perceptions you have to change about Ground Based Radars new AESA Radars Like AShwini Surveillance Radar. Take Look At It Clutter Phenomena

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

Neither would he be foolish enough to outrun one. When you're trying to get away from a SAM, acceleration matters, not speed. No plane in the world can accelerate faster than a SAM. By the time a plane at transonic speeds (Mach 0.8-1.0) can go to Mach 1.5, the missile would have shot up to Mach 2 and already hit the target.

When detected and attacked, the pilot has no choice but to outrun one. His being intelligent or foolish has nothing to do with it.

Why would any pilot engage a SAM within its kill zone ? Now that would be foolish.

As I said it depends on situation. If you're looking to pull off a stealthy attack, you need to fly low & slow and use guided munitions for the kill (like AASM for example). Stand off missile attack means flying high, fast, and usually 100s of kms away from the target. You don't need to worry about catching the plane in that case, just shooting down the incoming missiles - Barak-8 is great at that too.

Barak 8 is good for that, shooting down income missiles. Not intercepting incoming Aircrafts. That was my original point.

There are other Platforms to detect Enemy Movements Satellite Surveillance .Thats Perceptions you have to change about Ground Based Radars new AESA Radars Like AShwini Surveillance Radar Easy Take Look

NO radar can defy physics. Its called curvature of the earth.

Just because it says that on the brochure, it does not mean it can in real life scenarios.

 

[Gessler]

When detected and attacked, the pilot has no choice but to outrun one. His being intelligent or foolish has nothing to do with it.

Outrun is not the correct word. A plane cannot outrun a SAM like that.

Evading is the correct word, and it usually consists of deploying radar or infrared CMs, and maneuvering (to
try and move out of the seeker's view).

Why would any pilot engage a SAM within its kill zone ? Now that would be foolish.

Obviously.

Barak 8 is good for that, shooting down income missiles. Not intercepting incoming Aircrafts. That was my original point.

Incoming you mean head-on, no problems at all. Not even theoretically.

Besides, when DRDO and IAI design a SAM for their Armies, AFs and Navies, don't you think they would considered
every possible scenario? Or do you assume the militaries of India & Israel are fools to have paid for a missile that's
no good against aircraft? Now you're sounding foolish.

 

[bloo]

Barak 8 is good for that, shooting down income missiles. Not intercepting incoming Aircrafts. That was my original point.

What???
The whole point of it being a "S.A.M." becomes redundant if it cannot engage planes, which it definitely can.
If it can shoot down faster missiles with smaller rcs than fighters then it can definitely shoot down planes.

http://www.iai.co.il/2013/34408-36713-en/IAI.aspx

 

[Gessler]

NO radar can defy physics. Its called curvature of the earth.

Just because it says that on the brochure, it does not mean it can in real life scenarios.

There are gapfiller radars located along valleys and other locations hidden from view by natural terrain obstructions.
They are connected to the same C4ISR network as the Air-Search radars and any AEW planes in the area.

So when a plane comes, they'll know about it. Unless ofcourse if you're radar does not work or has been taken out.