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The last time China got into a fight with Vietnam,it was a Disaster

You could simply say that you called No. 3 just based on 2012 figure while your posted link ( as proof ) based on principal sum up 8-10 years and it ranked China not No. 3
I understand China never learn Japan to say Sorry and Thank you very often ... but to us a rightful person will know what is wrong and what is right ...

Don't say something nonsense like building speed of tanks and antitanks ...
For a mountain area, 200 T-99 tanks cannot operate, and even light tanks cannot mass attack ... so even a harden Vietnamese soldier with an anti tank and some grenades in good position he could always destroy a whole of tank fleet ... with less effort.

One for the first in line, one for the last in line and ... shot others by flank

Just share what an average person could .. Vietnam soldier bring 6-7 grenades during wartime
Ur logic is funny, how the PLA no tanks can fight in mountain areas ?:omghaha:

PLA Army's MBTs trainning in mountain areas::coffee:
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Except MBTs and IFVs, u also need to face armed helicopter fleets
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And our troops can cut off ur back:
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After PLAAF's fighters take control of Vietnam sky, ur man and RPG will blow out.


Vietnam RPGs vs PLA MBTs + armed helicopters + UAV, this battle will be worse than last Iraq War. Or did Afghan Taliban's RPGs can win U.S.A's tank and Apachi in mountain areas ?
 
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Vietnam area about 90% of Japan area. And about 25 times bigger than Taiwan.

Vietnam is not too big too, specially North Vietnam smaller than GuangXi province.

cnleio : I was still not to be persuaded about the mountain ability ... that is some low land hills.
and you know how many US helicopters were shot down during Vietnam war ?
2000 jets destroyed, 12,000 helicopter served, and 8,000 destroyed.

How many helicopters China has ?

Vietnam self produced 9K32 Strela-2
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Vietnam area about 90% of Japan area. And about 25 times bigger than Taiwan.



cnleio : I was still not to be persuaded about the mountain ability ... that is some low land hills.
and you know how many US helicopters were shot down during Vietnam war ?
2000 jets destroyed, 12,000 helicopter served, and 8,000 destroyed
Ur Vietnamese proud still stay in last 1960s, sorry it's 21 century. If play game with today U.S.A, would u think ur Vietnam can win again ??? And play with today PLA, like 1979 ?

PRG is not the GOD
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Ur Vietnamese proud still stay in last 1960s, sorry it's 21 century. If play game with today U.S.A, would u think ur Vietnam can win again ??? And play with today PLA, like 1979 ?

PRG is not the GOD

cnleio : you are not cool guy.
you cannot keep discussing straight. now you turn to blame ...

read my post, why you don't persuade me that your MBT could work well in rocky high mountain ?
and tell me how many helicopters China has now ?
and how they were protected against Vietnam self-produced low altitude anti air gun ?
 
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cnleio : you are not cool guy.
you cannot keep discussing straight. now you turn to blame ...

read my post, why you don't persuade me that your MBT could work well in rocky high mountain ?
and tell me how many helicopters China has now ?
and how they were protected against Vietnam self-produced low altitude anti air gun ?
How many helicopters China has ?
The answer is thousands, u can wiki/ google numbers.


How PLA MBT could work well in rocky high mountain ?
I have showed u PLA MBTs trainning pics in mountain areas, if there's difficult for tanks to climb rocky high mountain, we can use "leapfrog" strategy by armed and transport helicopters.


How they were protected against Vietnam self-produced low altitude anti air gun ?
PLAAF's fighters or Army's Rocket and SPG will take care them, or DF-11 DF-15 missiles to deal with them.


I suggest at least, u need to understand ur enemy first. See this thread, might find out the answer... there'r numbers which u wanna know.
PLA Army/Navy/Airforce Power pics
 
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How many helicopters China has ?
The answer is thousands, u can wiki/ google numbers.
wiki said that armed helicopters : China has 200, less effective to use against helicopter killers like Vietnamese soldiers

How PLA MBT could work well in rocky high mountain ?
I have showed u PLA MBTs trainning pics in mountain areas, if there's difficult for tanks to climb rocky high mountain, we can use "leapfrog" strategy by armed and transport helicopters.
We know that light tank T62 recently still use in PLA, light tanks used in mountain for a reason. Did Type 99 deployed to near Vietnam border, keep small quantity of them safe first. RPG-29 did burn Abram M1, Challenger 2, Merkava Mk4 ...in real combat. And Vietnam self-produced that RPG-29.

How they were protected against Vietnam self-produced low altitude anti air gun ?
PLAAF's fighters or Army's MULT and SPG will take care them.

Use fighters for individual ... ? impossible. Igla-S is individual weapon


I suggest at least, u need to understand ur enemy first. See this thread, might find out the answer... there'r numbers which u wanna know.
PLA Army/Navy/Airforce Power pics
Your photos really nice, especially peaceful scenes, now you want to change the point of view about war and peace ?
 
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We know that light tank T62 recently still use in PLA, light tanks used in mountain for a reason. Did Type 99 deployed to near Vietnam border, keep small quantity of them safe first. RPG-29 did burn Abram M1, Challenger 2, Merkava Mk4 ...in real combat. And Vietnam self-produced that RPG-29.
No more Type62 light tank. pls !
Many years we didn't see Type62 light tank in China local news and military pics, for South PLA Army mainly tanks r ZTZ96 and ZTZ96A MBT, also updated Type54D tanks in the South. T62 light tanks retired from front-line PLA Army for many years. U should accept the truth, this's not 1979 today PLA Army didn't equip type62 light tanks yet.

Untill now I don't wanna talk RPG-29 more. China also build RPG/ HJ-73/ HJ-8/ HJ-9/ HJ-10 anti-tank missile and export, and not hard for China get some new RPGs from Russia to test our tank armors. I think our tank designers considered RPG-29 damage.

Another thing do not forget, there'r still many roads including highway inside Vietnam from Sino-Vietnam border to Hanoi city. There'r not all mountain areas, still have clean roads for tank. Our ppl can drive private cars from China to visit Hanoi, even for tanks. The roads/ Highways inside China GuangXi and YunNan provinces much better.

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There's highway from China YouYi gate of Sino-Vietnam border / NanNing city to Vietnam Hanoi city, built by a Chinese company in Vietnam. Isn't it, BoQ77? :coffee:
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The international train from China GuangXi province to Hanoi city.:coffee:
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There's a North Vietnam Roads Network map, many roads to China GuangXi, also many roads for tanks.
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Ur logic is funny, how the PLA no tanks can fight in mountain areas ?:omghaha:

PLA Army's MBTs trainning in mountain areas::coffee:
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14238597333_43a7054689_b.jpg

14031765388_6339776700_b.jpg

14218429795_3eae90bd11_b.jpg

14031834707_a0b6251c2c_o.jpg

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Except MBTs and IFVs, u also need to face armed helicopter fleets
13928713536_30f649a478_b.jpg

13934586346_d3850c55be_b.jpg





And our troops can cut off ur back:
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f80f414cc45a13878a3325.jpg



After PLAAF's fighters take control of Vietnam sky, ur man and RPG will blow out.


Vietnam RPGs vs PLA MBTs + armed helicopters + UAV, this battle will be worse than last Iraq War. Or did Afghan Taliban's RPGs can win U.S.A's tank and Apachi in mountain areas ?
weaker than US at 1960s.
 
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wiki said that armed helicopters : China has 200, less effective to use against helicopter killers like Vietnamese soldiers


We know that light tank T62 recently still use in PLA, light tanks used in mountain for a reason. Did Type 99 deployed to near Vietnam border, keep small quantity of them safe first. RPG-29 did burn Abram M1, Challenger 2, Merkava Mk4 ...in real combat. And Vietnam self-produced that RPG-29.



Use fighters for individual ... ? impossible. Igla-S is individual weapon



Your photos really nice, especially peaceful scenes, now you want to change the point of view about war and peace ?
In a few more years when we're finished with the MANPADS project, we can spray the sky with 10,000 missles in one salvo. Stealth or no stealth, any jets or helicopters that try to do their precision bombing over our infantries will be toasted.
 
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Chinese Type 62 light tank at the China People's Revolution Military Museum.
Type Light tank
Place of origin
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People's Republic of China
Service history
In service 1963 - 2013 (China)
I said many years we didn't see type62 light tank pics in front-line PLA Army, u can find them in military museum. And i told u, type62 light tank retired from PLA Army. Since 1979 there'r 35 years past, why ur Vietnamese still remember China type62 light tank??? At least Chinese can design new MBTs and replace the old like type62.

Well there's another new light tank, PLA Army will equip in the future.
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All these threads basically consist of one main thing. Everyone keeps threatening one another over the same things over and over again. Nothing new comes out of it.
 
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They threaten us , we just share them what we have to defend ourselves.
Our weapon not for offensive acts.

cnleio: you agree that helicopters China has not thousands ?
and how about the engine origin of your MBT ?
 
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New Chinese light tank: for what is its purpose?
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Collage: The Voice of Russia

More and more photos of the Chinese light tank of a new generation, released in the recent months, indicate that it has already being inducted into active service of the PLA in significant quantities for deployment in the mountainous areas in western China.

Expert at the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, Vasily Kashin sees one of the reasons for development of a new combat vehicle as Beijing's craving to respond to India's plans of reinforcing its mountain troops.

So far, specialists know very little about the new Chinese vehicle. Not known is even the official name of the new light tank. According to one version, this is the “light tank type 99A”, which makes it easy to confuse it with the latest modification of the Chinese main battle tank type 99. It is assumed that the tank is equipped with a 105 mm gun and has a powerful combination of frontal armor of the hull and the turret, partly borrowed from the main tank type 99 and has a mass of 30 tons.

This is possibly the only model in modern world of a serially manufactured non-floating light tank, which is designed to perform the role of a main battle tank in areas of complex terrain conditions. The new tank is supposed to replace the old Chinese non-floating type 62 light tanks, which were not complicated and cheap tanks having a weak armor and weapons. The new Chinese light tank, in contrast, is of a very complex and original design. For example, its chassis is of a completely original design that is not found in other models of Chinese combat vehicles. It has a variable clearance and probably is quite complicated and expensive. In general, cost of this combat vehicle may well be comparable with the cost of the full-fledged main battle tank. Substantial resources and time must have been spent for its development and trials.

The question that arises is: why has China gone on with such a project, with no analogous model being produced in the world. The light tank, more or less, in essence, is superior in armaments to the infantry fighting vehicle WZ502G. For sure, it has strong armor defense, but the question remains open whether this gain is large enough to justify the cost of creation of a whole new model of combat vehicles. With a mass of about 30 tons versus an average of about 50 tons of the main battle tanks, it will still be inferior to them in terms of protection. Threats of attack by infantry antitank missiles, artillery guns and aircraft weapons will affect it in the same way as the main battle tanks, operating on the plains. It should be remembered that an attempt of mass deployment of tanks of type 62 in the war with Vietnam in 1979 led to huge losses, after which China, for some time, discontinued with the development of new models of light tanks.

On the other hand, it is known that India is also considering purchase of light tanks for its mountain troops and in the past has unsuccessfully attempted to develop such tanks based on the chassis of the BMP-1. Perhaps this served as one of the reasons for development of a new combat vehicle by Chinese designers.

In Russia, the closest and analogous model of the Chinese tank is 125 mm self-propelled anti-tank gun “Sprut-SD”, which is being produced in small quantities since 2005 (about 40 units have been manufactured). Compared to the Chinese analogous model, the self-propelled gun “Sprut-SD” has more powerful weapons and is of a less weight (18 tons). It is capable of overcoming water obstacles and can be transported by air. Of course, armor protection of “Sprut-SD” is much weaker than that of the Chinese tank and the classification “self-propelled anti-tank gun”, implies that its tactical application will be different. The “Sprut-SD” uses a modified chassis of the BMD.

China has previously used the chassis of a light tank of Type 62 and of Type 63 for manufacturing a wide range of special equipments - engineering and recovery vehicles, artillery, armored personnel carriers, etc. Development of a fundamentally new chassis requires immense efforts and creation, on its base, of only one sample of a highly specialized combat vehicle was unanticipated for. In any case, it will b
Read more: New Chinese light tank: for what is its purpose? - News - Society - Russian Radio
 
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They threaten us , we just share them what we have to defend ourselves.
Our weapon not for offensive acts.

I do not know if that comment was meant for me. in case it was though... Of course you have every right to defend yourself my friend. I was just making a point that there are so many threads were people keep arguing and threatening over the same things.
 
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