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Then let us end this once & for all ! @Joe Shearer meet on the Poonch border area in a fortnight from today, your 3 champions against mine - The Winner takes Kashmir & a spicy dosa from somewhere in South India ! :kiss3:
 
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Then let us end this once & for all ! @Joe Shearer meet on the Poonch border area in a fortnight from today, your 3 champions against mine - The Winner takes Kashmir & a spicy dosa from somewhere in South India ! :kiss3:

SOMEWHERE in South India?????!!!!

Dear @Armstrong, you are to be pitied, not censured. New Krishna Bhavan, Malleswaram, opposite the behemoth Mantri Mall, for ragi and jowar dosas.

Now my mouth is watering!

Sometimes I feel we don't play to our strengths. We just need to get you good people into the country and feed you up on our hidden cuisines, and we'll get a flood of emotional tears and instant peace.

Having said that, going by the reactions of visitors to Pakistan, especially the Bong variety, it works rather strongly in reverse as well. I remember how someone describing the kabobs he had had in some rooftop restaurant in Hira Mandi turned moist in the eyes, and stopped midway through, unable to speak through the lump in his throat.

Could our three champions be chefs?
 
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What is stopping Pakistan. Why so called Azad Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan have condradictory territorial status.

The polititions are too much weak & bend on having good relations with indians also Pakistani polititions are corrupt to the core whatever doesn't benifit them they don't touch it. BTW care to explain what contradictory territorial status Azad Kashmir & Gilgit Baltistan has.
 
The opinion makers in Gilgit-Baltistan and Azad-Kashmir (AJK) find themselves at odds in defining the relationship of Gilgit-Baltistan with the former princely state of Jammu and Kashmir.

They also differ in views on how the lingering Kashmir dispute should be resolved. The majority of the people in Gilgit-Baltistan maintain that their forefathers liberated the region from the despotic rulers of Kashmir in 1947 and subsequently declared allegiance with the newly created state of Pakistan. Therefore they expect Pakistan to merge their region as its fifth province.

However, there is a significant minority which promotes the idea of an independent republic. It points to the fact that UN resolutions on Jammu and Kashmir require Pakistan to withdraw from Gilgit-Baltistan and transfer control to local powers. It therefore maintains that the people of Gilgit-Baltistan have the right to rule their land without any interference from Pakistan.

On the other hand, the people of AJK, often considered the voice of the ongoing separatist movement in Indian Kashmir, consider Gilgit-Baltistan an integral part of Kashmir and vehemently oppose its merger with Pakistan. Similar views prevail across the line of control (LOC), wherein both the pro-Indian Kashmiri leadership and the separatists claim Gilgit-Baltistan as part of Kashmir.

Recently, Molvi Umar Farooq, the leader of the separatist Hurriyat Conference, while talking to the media in Pakistan’s capital Islamabad, reiterated Kashmir’s claim over Gilgit-Baltistan. Similar assertions have come from the political and religious leaders of Diamer district of Gilgit-Baltistan including the members of Gilgit-Baltistan National Alliance. These differing thoughts on the fate of Gilgit-Baltistan strain the already polarized and charged discussion among various stakeholders who strive to build alliances across sectarian, linguistic and ethnic lines.

Pro-Pakistan leadership in Gilgit-Baltistan has repeatedly condemned Kashmiris for such overarching claims over their region. However, the same leaders have also been unsuccessful in convincing successive Pakistani regimes to amend the country’s constitution and merge Gilgit-Baltistan. Even today, Pakistan’s federal institutions including the Supreme Court, Office of the President, Office of the Prime Minister, cabinet members, chiefs of the armed forces, and heads of different parliamentary committees maintain that Gilgit-Baltistan is a UN declared disputed area and her residents cannot be declared citizens of Pakistan until India and Pakistan resolve the issue of accession of Jammu and Kashmir.

Interesting yet ironic, India, unlike Pakistan, claims Gilgit-Baltistan as a constitutional part of the country and declares the people of Gilgit-Baltistan as her citizens. In 1994, both houses of the Indian Parliament passed a unanimous resolution reiterating that Pakistani controlled parts of AJK and Gilgit-Baltistan are integral parts of India. :cheers:However, given that physical control of the region remains with Pakistan; such constitutional provisions are futile in doing any good for the people of Gilgit-Baltistan.

Given India’s claim over Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan, an amicable solution between the two countries is indeed a Herculean task. For Pakistan to retain permanent control over Gilgit-Baltistan, it will have to withdraw the issue from the UN and persuade India to amend its constitution to redefine the international boundary between both countries. Given the fragmented nature of the parliament, no Indian government is in a position to muster a two-third majority and convince lawmakers to concede almost 90,000 square kilometers of land to Pakistan. Another source of ire for India is Pakistan’s unwillingness to discuss the issue bi-laterally and its insistence on a larger multilateral role. Hardened attitudes have hindered ability of both countries to successfully engage in conclusive dialogue on the dispute.

While India and Pakistan have established constitutional frameworks in their respective areas of Kashmir; Islamabad rules Gilgit-Baltistan through ad-hoc presidential ordinances which are subject to periodic renewals. At this time, Gilgit-Baltistan has no representation in federal judicial and political institutions. Lacking constitutional legitimacy, Gilgit-Baltistan’s overall development and social fabric have suffered and the situation hinders justice and equal human rights.

Now, as the people in Gilgit-Baltistan slowly awaken to the reality that they will not become Pakistan’s citizens anytime soon, they are starting to demand the same rights the people of AJK have enjoyed since 1949. This includes the establishment of a constitutional framework, the offices of the President and Prime Minister, a Supreme Court and reinstatement of State Subject Rule.

The Gilgit-Baltistan Democratic Alliance, a leading political conglomerate of eight nationalist parties favors such a setup till the resolution of the Kashmir dispute. To advance such demands, prominent political figures of Gilgit-Baltistan including the Vice Chairperson of Pakistan Workers’ Party, Babajan Hunzai and member of Gilgit-Baltistan Legislative Assembly, Raziuddin Rizvi, recently visited AJK and shared their views with the local leadership there. An encouraging gesture came from the legislative assembly of AJK afterwards which passed a unanimous resolution demanding a separate constitutional framework for Gilgit-Baltistan.

Gilgit-Baltistan has gone through twelve political and administrative experiments since 1948. It is about time that Gilgit-Baltistan receives a constitutional framework of its own. The leaders of Gilgit-Baltistan, AJK and Pakistan should work towards a win-win solution rather than accepting an impasse. Merging with Pakistan or AJK are paths fraught with obstacles. Creating a constitutional framework similar to AJK will therefore allow Gilgit-Baltistan to retain her identity while helping to defuse opposition from different quarters in New Delhi, Islamabad and Kashmir.

The Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan Dispute

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This article was originally published at Global India Newswire/American Bazaar Online.

(Senge Sering is a researcher and human rights advocate. He was born in the UN declared disputed region of Gilgit-Baltistan which remains in Pakistani control since 1948. Currently, he is managing the Institute for Gilgit Baltistan Studies, based in Washington DC)
 
then on what basis u have killed more then 600,000 innocent kashmiri muslims??



in this thread we all see those voices r getting louder n louder day by day.

So sad. If it means what it means in my statement.
 
If india wants peace and no terrorism into its cities from our side, it should handover the illegally occupied kashmir to Pakistan!

So are you actually ACCEPTING the OBVIOUS??
 
If india wants peace and no terrorism into its cities from our side, it should handover the illegally occupied kashmir to Pakistan!
Better still, hand over Pakistan to India! :azn:

......Hang on! On second thoughts, I don't think we would want that...to be saddled with a headache of galactic proportions! :no:
 
I don't know whether its true or not but one narration is that the shaksgam valley was situated on the McMahon line, china does not recognize that border & controlled it in a defecto way, same was the case with some parts of aksai chin & in 1962 china formally captured those territories in full & consolidated its hold in all the 4 territories akasi chin, demchak, some small parts of utranchal or himachal & the shaksgam valley, Pakistan just recognozed its hold din't gift any land as it did not control shaksgam valley in the first place, it was indeed china which gave 750 sq mi (1,942 sq km) to pakistan
 
All these years of conflict.One thing is very clear.Kashmir can only be taken by force.You are dumb if you think different.

If you think you are strong enough,you can claim Kashmir,provided that you are strong enough,everything comes down to that.
Lets see who can keep Srinagar.
 
The polititions are too much weak & bend on having good relations with indians also Pakistani polititions are corrupt to the core whatever doesn't benifit them they don't touch it. BTW care to explain what contradictory territorial status Azad Kashmir & Gilgit Baltistan has.

When Pakistan constituted occupied territory into Azad Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan(Northern Areas), so called Azad Kashmir was given a constitution, PM, Supreme Court assembly etc. while the Giglit-Balitistan was directly put under government control as Northern Areas with no constitution, PM, Supreme Court and for the long time no assembly. People of the so called Azad Kashmir (Mirpuris, Paharis etc.) were declared as Kashmiris people while the people of Gilgit-Baltistan were not declared as Kashmiri people, while the real Kashmirs live in Kashmir Valley. But most of decisions of so called Azad Kashmir are taken in Islamabad.

I don't know whether its true or not but one narration is that the shaksgam valley was situated on the McMahon line, china does not recognize that border & controlled it in a defecto way, same was the case with some parts of aksai chin & in 1962 china formally captured those territories in full & consolidated its hold in all the 4 territories akasi chin, demchak, some small parts of utranchal or himachal & the shaksgam valley, Pakistan just recognozed its hold din't gift any land as it did not control shaksgam valley in the first place, it was indeed china which gave 750 sq mi (1,942 sq km) to pakistan

Can you elaborate this with some map of pre-1947 and current one to prove that Pakistan indeed recieved some Chinese land for Gilgit-Baltistan.
 
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Can you elaborate this with some map of pre-1947 and current one to prove that Pakistan indeed recieved some Chinese land for Gilgit-Baltistan.

The agreement resulted in China withdrawing from about 750 square miles of territory, and Pakistan withdrawing its claim to about 2,050 square miles of territory that, in practice, it neither occupied or administered.

Trans-Karakoram Tract - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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