The J-20-engine discussion is over and other speculative topics ... to separate from the J-20-news !

[Deino]

"Aka if not even a WS-10 is ready now, how could it be a WS-15??"

What?

WS-10 has been powering J-10 and J-11 for years, already.

You mean if both Ws-10 and Ws-15 are not ready, it mean only the choice left is AL-31-FN-M2 that is powering J-20 from day one?

Come on ! what's up with You???? .. try to play stupid in order to ignore that argument???

Pupu claims that the J-20 will finally be powered by a WS-10 soon.
That does not mean it does not power the J-11B and J-16 but simply that it does not power the J-20 today.

But if the WS-10 was not tested nor is yet used on the J-20 today, how could the WS-15 be already done??


You see - if Pupu is correct - it immediately killed two contenders and YES, only the AL-31FN-option remains.

Please don't try to divert this argument with nasty side-questions that are irrelevant.

J 20 may have 3 production line mix between Al31 and. Ws15. That produces J20 36 aircraft per year .The forth line will start in 2019 with ws15 with twc. is it true?

Never ! They will never have three line in parallel open producing several different versions. And again the WS-15 won't be ready before 2020; IMO at best 2022.
So that alleged WS-10-powered variant would be at best another interim version after the current ones.

And how do You come up with a fourth line ?? why not 20 line ???
Stay realistic.

Deino

 

[Asoka]

"Pupu claims, that the J-20 will finally be powered, by a WS-10 soon."

Are you out of your mind, Deino? You are delirious!!! Use your logical German head, for a second, my brother.

"And again, the WS-15 won't be ready, before 2020; IMO at best 2022."

WS-15 has been ready, since late 2010, and flown since Jan. 2011, and entered LRIP already.

And soon W-20 will be mass produced, along with its own intended engine, WS-15, not anything else.

 

[Deino]

"Pupu claims, that the J-20 will finally be powered, by a WS-10 soon."

Are you out of your mind, Deino? You are delirious!!! Use your logical German head, for a second, my brother.

"And again the WS-15 won't be ready before 2020; IMO at best 2022."

WS-15 has been ready, since late 2010, and flown since Jan. 2011, and entered LRIP already.

And soon W-20 will be mass produced, along with its own intended engine, WS-15, not anything else.

Pardon but I use my "logical German head", but then please translate Pupu's post in Your words and explain what he meant.

At least @siegecrossbow translated it the way I told You.

So then explain in Your logic ...

Fact is only You claim WS-15 is ready, and if not even WS-10 was installed in a J-20 now, how could a WS-15 but even more if it is already a WS-15, why should they use a WS-10 ??

I beg You to use Your brain ...

 

[siegecrossbow]

If the WS-15 were ready we'd probably see confirmation on CCTV 1 or 4.

 

[cirr]

 

[Leclan]

seems nozzle has been replaced with jagged edges.
hope it's a real pic

 

[ozranger]

Pardon but I use my "logical German head", but then please translate Pupu's post in Your words and explain what he meant.

At least @siegecrossbow translated it the way I told You.

So then explain in Your logic ...

Fact is only You claim WS-15 is ready, and if not even WS-10 was installed in a J-20 now, how could a WS-15 but even more if it is already a WS-15, why should they use a WS-10 ??

I beg You to use Your brain ...

I've read quite a few Internet posts about WS-15 progress. My impression is that it can't get ready within at least the next 3 years. As WS-10 family is maturing progressively, I am in favor of the idea that a model out of the WS-10 family would be fitted into the J-20.

 

[Deino]

Thanks a lot, that image made my day.

Clearly a WS-10 of sone variant, just look at the internal structure.

 

[Deino]

I think with this image showing the first ever WS-10 on a J-20 it is now clearly proven that so far neither any operational J-20 uses a Taihang and that also means that WS-15-theory just crashed like a house of cards.

Why would anyone fit a WS-10 if the WS-15 should be operational "from day one".

I'm interested to read Your conterarguments @Asoka !

Deino

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

What a tragedy. This all but confirms the rumours that the WS-15 won't be ready for at least five more years.

This is a day for mourning, not celebration.

 

[Leclan]

What a tragedy. This all but confirms the rumours that the WS-15 won't be ready for at least five more years.

This is a day for mourning, not celebration.

for rational people，this is of cause a day worth celebrating.double ws10 settings have been proved by J11B and J16. I think J20 will adapt it faster than J10.
this means a lot. chinese engine industry is growing better day by day

I expect ws15 could be at low production at 2025 and full state at 2030. ws10 can be upgrade as a reliable engine and its derivation can power up Y20 and H20. that will be good enough.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

for rational people，this is of cause a day worth celebrating.double ws10 settings have been proved by J11B and J16. I think J20 will adapt it faster than J10.
this means a lot. chinese engine industry is growing better day by day

I fail to see anything worth celebrating. And "getting better" doesn't win wars -- only being the best wins wars. There's no "most improved" prize in war.

Why isn't the WS-15 ready? Gobs of money have been spent and legions of engineers have been trained and put to work. So where's the f*cking engine?!

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

What a tragedy. This all but confirms the rumours that the WS-15 won't be ready for at least five more years.

This is a day for mourning, not celebration.

I certainly not jump into conclusion just base on one picture, WS-10 modified or what so ever it's still a Chinese engine and deserve to celebrate because this mean J-20 don't have to depend foreign power plant. Let Chinese engineer time to properly fix the engine issue and make all our fighter Jet even better.

 

[Asoka]

OMG! You guys are way more delusional than I can imagine. I am really speechless.

 

[Deino]

OMG! You guys are way more delusional than I can imagine. I am really speechless.

Does this mean You have no argument, no explanation on this latest image nor pupu's report ??
Simply nothing and calling all of us stupid, ignorant, delusional??

Sorry to say so, but it sounds as if right now You are the one, who's playing an ostrich hiding his head in the sand.

Deino