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China's Stealthy J-20 with the new WS-15 power plants is expected in 2024, will give the J-20 more thrust than any other fighter class in the world

It certainly is premature to declare without reservation that China's military turbofan level has reached parity with US and UK.

The US is truly still ahead in turbofan as Chinese discussions on this matter considers that WS-15 of the second program is reaching the level of F119 in materials overall. The design is similarly tuned more towards lower BPR to higher speeds. This is basically reaching level of US in early 2000s. WS-15 development started in 2000s and completing final flight testing like F119 development started in 1980s and completing final flight testing with F-22 in early 2000s.

The thing is WS-15 is the last major turbofan in this technology branch that China invested in. The simultaneous effort is in many other fields of chemical propulsion or we can call air breathing propulsion or combustion. US call their variable cycle engine as ADVENT and China is heavily pursuing variable cycle. No one else is actually active in this field due to funding requirements and so on. WS-15 restarted in the early 2010s due to newer technologies making the initial program too obsolete by the time it would be completed. According to accounts, the initial WS-15 was in various stages of testing before total program reboot to make use of fast improving new technologies. Sort of like choosing to develop a supercar from aluminium when carbon fibre and exotic composites are becoming normal and still choosing to go with older tech.

Hence then the understanding is that 6th generation will be either or a combination of various types of propulsion with most likely candidate as variable cycle for one type, for faster airframes no doubt would require combined cycle engines which China is flight testing all the time in recent years.

WS-15 is but one program of many for current to future generation air vehicles. It is possibly the last mainstream turbofan behind variable cycle types that will have received funding for development and a vehicle to use on. Beyond this is variable cycle, combined cycle engine types, and some other exotics used mainly for intermedium (endo and exo atmospheric) and hypersonic, propelled vehicles.

Since these other forms of engine technologies represent overlapping utility with turbofans (im not counting the variable cycle turbofans) China realized decades ago the importance of investing in all of these rather than thinking turbofans will be the first and final and all there is in military aviation. Just like internal combustion car engines will be challenged and give way to other energy vehicles like hybrid, hydrogen fuel cell, hydrogen combustion, full electric, and in future surely also others.

China is still behind the US and UK in military turbofans and certainly much behind these two in civilian turbofans, arguably ahead of Russia in recent years and around France's level (give some take some in different ways), turbofans are like jet engines, will also phase to give way in utility to other propulsion. For most at least in this decade and next, turbofans of course represent main military fixed wing aviation propulsion.
 
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Initially, China did not possess the technology to develop their own jet engines and relied on manufacturing Russian jet engines under license.
So? That doesn’t have anything to do with your statement declaring that the WS-15 is the indication they have the ability to power their aircraft. That was a condescending statement and rich coming from country that struggled with even one indigenous engine called Kaveri despite the French and the US throwing everything at it. So learn humility, Indians have that massive lack of it in general.

So long as the Chinese were able to build an engine - under license or not.. they could fly their planes - the J-8 flew with the Kunlun indigenous engine well before the WS-15.
 
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Initially, China did not possess the technology to develop their own jet engines and relied on manufacturing Russian jet engines under license.

Yeah first turbofan tech came from Soviets. Cold War Sino Soviet split era, China managed to buy Rolls Royce Spey engines which was used on the JH-7 strike aircraft back in the 1980s I think.

Basically China's foray into turbofan has this lineage to jump start the domestic industry. Domestic military turbofan really only truly started with 1990s program to develop a F-100/F-110 equivalent that can power the J-11 series and J-10 series as an alternative to the Al-31. I would consider WS-10 as China's point from having only rudimentary turbofan industry to phase of catching up to world leaders. Turbofan is close to impossible to catch up to be honest and China only managed with monumental investment into this area. First starter advantages are too great and even now China is around 10 years behind US. 20 years if we compare general milestones but in the last 20 years only about 5 to 10 years of linear progress have been made by UK US industry until the US completely finishes ADVENT of which China has also been testing (variable cycle).

So far only three countries have actually gone ahead to develop and field high thrust military turbofan (Russia, China, USA) of the F-100/F-110 class. Of course many derivatives from F-110 that power stuff like B-2 to many other platforms. US led the 5th generation engines while Russia's IZD.30 is still in testing. Surely Safran and RR can also make high thrust if they wished though. So far only US has fielded even higher thrust (F-119 and F-135, F-136). China has WS-15 entering service and completed testing.
 
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J-20 stealth fighter with new domestic engines



In fact a faked video sionce it is from an airshow and as such NOT the one with WS-15 but most likely a regular one with WS-10C and the speed of the clip was increased.
 
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@Deino

what's the estimate on the current number of J-20s and yearly production rate?


IMO about 60-80 per year at the moment and maybe about 100-120 by years's end if the reports are true
 
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J-20 and J-35 are enough. And then, China will focus on the next generation fighters.
According to the one analyst in the video above, J-20 production rates will be around 100-140/ yr soon (by 2023 or 2024), if the production facility expansions at Chengdu are all meant for the J-20. Do you agree? And if not, what is a more realistic production rate?

Also, what is the expectations of the j-35 annual production rate? Sure the carriers need a limited number of planes, but the PLANAF operates land based fighters. Perhaps they intend to stop induction of J-15s and when the decommission the last of the J-8s they replace them with J-35s.

Is the PLAAF also interested in the J-35 now, or will only operate one type of 5th Gen aircraft (the J-20), and leave the J-35 purely for the PLANAF and Export market?
 
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Is the PLAAF also interested in the J-35 now, or will only operate one type of 5th Gen aircraft (the J-20), and leave the J-35 purely for the PLANAF and Export market?
There is an air force's variant of J-35 for PLAAF to replace J-10.
 
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