The 'Islamic Bomb'

[nirreich]

you helped south Africa
our bomb is Pakistani bomb
not Islamic bomb
sorry to say it is the effort and hard work of our hard worker scientists

Pakistan's efforts are not relevant for the discussion, the question is how Pakistan portrayed its nuclear capabilities and what it actually did with them. As elaborated Pakistan chose two ways which strengthened the perception made by its own officials that it had an "Islamic bomb": it assisted Muslim countries to develop nuclear weapons and it discussed the option of nuclear umbrella for KSA.

Pakista has only to blame itself for its international negative image when it comes to the nuclear issue.

 

[nomi007]

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[Fasih Khan]

Needles to say that Pakistan gave numerous commitments not to help other countries to develop nuclear weapons programmes. Furthermore, Pakistan cannot complain that it is perceived as a rogue country in the West when it helps notorious regimes such a in Iran, NK, and Libya to develop weapons of mass destruction.

You don't get Iranians started to define, which out of you two is a notorious state. My Q was directed to the Muslims, Sir

 

[nirreich]

NATO nuclear weapons sharing states
explain this please nirreich

Explain what? How the world is running?

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You don't get Iranians started to define, which out of you two is a notorious state. My Q was directed to the Muslims, Sir

I thought it was important to clear that the Islamic bomb is not a figment of Western Media but a creation of Pakistan - both in its declaration and in its actions.

 

[Fasih Khan]

Thanks for Enlightment : )

 

[SQ8]

Needles to say that Pakistan gave numerous commitments not to help other countries to develop nuclear weapons programmes. Furthermore, Pakistan cannot complain that it is perceived as a rogue country in the West when it helps notorious regimes such a in Iran, NK, and Libya to develop weapons of mass destruction.

When were these commitments given?
If you declare a nation outlawed by placing it under sanctions.. therby declaring it a pariah in the international community, it does what it need to do to survive.
There was ONE exchange made under the COMPLETE TACIT APPROVAL of the GoP which was the purchase of the NoDong Missile for money. This was done via AQ's KRL acting as a private middleman/broker... After having developed relations with the North Koreans AQ Khan exploited the free hand give to him by the Pakistan government(as they consider his organization vital for national security and therefore trusted blindly) to promote his centrifuge designs to the North Korean officials who were looking for such items. Being a Private contractor liaising with the Government AQ khan did have friends in the military who were responsible for turning a blind eye to his deals. Thus, for reasons having NOTHING to do with the Ummah or unity AQ Khan did business of an enriched nature with Iran,Libya, Syria and NK solely for personal profit under the guise of helping fellow Muslims countries.
Even the "Oil for Nuke umbrella" deal with the Saudi's after the 98 tests(not valid anymore) was done through KRL supported by the establishment.

Pakistan's Government owned and managed organizations such as PAEC,NESCOM and the like have NEVER dealt with these states when it comes to sensitive technology.

There is no Islamic Bomb.. the whole idea of uncontrolled destruction is absolutely against the principles of warfare laid out for Muslims. But then .. who follows religion to the letter?

 

[Capt.Popeye]

When were these commitments given?
If you declare a nation outlawed by placing it under sanctions.. therby declaring it a pariah in the international community, it does what it need to do to survive.
There was ONE exchange made under the COMPLETE TACIT APPROVAL of the GoP which was the purchase of the NoDong Missile for money. This was done via AQ's KRL acting as a private middleman/broker... After having developed relations with the North Koreans AQ Khan exploited the free hand give to him by the Pakistan government(as they consider his organization vital for national security and therefore trusted blindly) to promote his centrifuge designs to the North Korean officials who were looking for such items. Being a Private contractor liaising with the Government AQ khan did have friends in the military who were responsible for turning a blind eye to his deals. Thus, for reasons having NOTHING to do with the Ummah or unity AQ Khan did business of an enriched nature with Iran,Libya, Syria and NK solely for personal profit under the guise of helping fellow Muslims countries.
Even the "Oil for Nuke umbrella" deal with the Saudi's after the 98 tests(not valid anymore) was done through KRL supported by the establishment.

Pakistan's Government owned and managed organizations such as PAEC,NESCOM and the like have NEVER dealt with these states when it comes to sensitive technology.There is no Islamic Bomb.. the whole idea of uncontrolled destruction is absolutely against the principles of warfare laid out for Muslims. But then .. who follows religion to the letter?

Just about the underlined parts: the establishment in Pakistan (and one knows who that is) was in the know of the transactions and even was a facilitator. AQ Khan was just part of the camouflage (smoke and mirrors if you please) to mask that activity. All that falls under the doctrine of "plausible deniability". Which has been an expedient for the establishment.

That only explains the modus operandi of the deals, the justification for the transactions (if any) are a different matter.

 

[nirreich]

When were these commitments given?
If you declare a nation outlawed by placing it under sanctions.. therby declaring it a pariah in the international community, it does what it need to do to survive.
There was ONE exchange made under the COMPLETE TACIT APPROVAL of the GoP which was the purchase of the NoDong Missile for money. This was done via AQ's KRL acting as a private middleman/broker... After having developed relations with the North Koreans AQ Khan exploited the free hand give to him by the Pakistan government(as they consider his organization vital for national security and therefore trusted blindly) to promote his centrifuge designs to the North Korean officials who were looking for such items. Being a Private contractor liaising with the Government AQ khan did have friends in the military who were responsible for turning a blind eye to his deals. Thus, for reasons having NOTHING to do with the Ummah or unity AQ Khan did business of an enriched nature with Iran,Libya, Syria and NK solely for personal profit under the guise of helping fellow Muslims countries.
Even the "Oil for Nuke umbrella" deal with the Saudi's after the 98 tests(not valid anymore) was done through KRL supported by the establishment.

Pakistan's Government owned and managed organizations such as PAEC,NESCOM and the like have NEVER dealt with these states when it comes to sensitive technology.

There is no Islamic Bomb.. the whole idea of uncontrolled destruction is absolutely against the principles of warfare laid out for Muslims. But then .. who follows religion to the letter?

There are numerous indications that AQ Khan served the establishment and the Army knew what was going on. It is not serious to claim that AQ Khan operated such a venture all by himself and for more than 15 years without the consent of the Army which controls the nuclear organisations.

BTW, there are evidence that PAEC too was involved in nuclear connection with KSA.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Actually, it is true that many Muslims themselves use the term 'Islamic bomb' (unfortunately). It is wrong in my opinion.

Pakistan? India was the first country in South Asia to conduct nuclear tests. Enough said.
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[SQ8]

Just about the underlined parts: the establishment in Pakistan (and one knows who that is) was in the know of the transactions and even was a facilitator. AQ Khan was just part of the camouflage (smoke and mirrors if you please) to mask that activity. All that falls under the doctrine of "plausible deniability". Which has been an expedient for the establishment.

That only explains the modus operandi of the deals, the justification for the transactions (if any) are a different matter.

There are numerous indications that AQ Khan served the establishment and the Army knew what was going on. It is not serious to claim that AQ Khan operated such a venture all by himself and for more than 15 years without the consent of the Army which controls the nuclear organisations.

BTW, there are evidence that PAEC too was involved in nuclear connection with KSA.

Nor have I claimed anywhere that he did so.. which is why I made the statement of

khan did have friends in the military who were responsible for turning a blind eye to his deals

Many of them were involved in the deal to make money..
some for the establishment..some for themselves.

 

[fd24]

Needles to say that Pakistan gave numerous commitments not to help other countries to develop nuclear weapons programmes. Furthermore, Pakistan cannot complain that it is perceived as a rogue country in the West when it helps notorious regimes such a in Iran, NK, and Libya to develop weapons of mass destruction.

I find it difficult to accept when you attempt to speak about "rogue country". The defination in your eyes is - a nation that doesnt play ball or isnt accepted by the main stream western democracies. If for example a country is not favorable towards the US or Zionistic approach to democracy are they defined as rogue? The way the west turned on Gadaffi shows their own personal agendas vary depending on their needs.
The use of the "Islamic bomb" is a little difficult sometimes to grasp. The reason being up until now Pakistan is the only Islamic bomp producers so a better anology is "Pakistani bomb". I dont see for financial and strategical enhancement if this knowledge of technology is shared with favorable nations is an issue - in fact i would encourage it.
If Pakistan did not have the "Islamic bomb" i doubt its existance today.

 

[Uchiha]

Needles to say that Pakistan gave numerous commitments not to help other countries to develop nuclear weapons programmes. Furthermore, Pakistan cannot complain that it is perceived as a rogue country in the West when it helps notorious regimes such a in Iran, NK, and Libya to develop weapons of mass destruction.

Notorious? You define notorious?

 

[agentny17]

I think they call it "Islamic Bomb" because this specific bomb is very devoted Muslim, prays 5 times, Pay Zakhat, Fast Ramadan, and it will go to Mecca soon to perform Haj..... I was very young to have a reaction back then, i don't even remember when it happened, but i am feel so proud of Pakistan, althu i am against such dangerous weapons, but they left us with no choice.

 

[rockstarIN]

Dont see much wrong with that.. you do what you need to survive.

Power comes with responsibility.... You do not need ICBMs to survive. Nuke we can understand....

 

[rockstarIN]

Actually, it is true that many Muslims themselves use the term 'Islamic bomb' (unfortunately). It is wrong in my opinion.

Pakistan? India was the first country in South Asia to conduct nuclear tests. Enough said.
Smiling Buddha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The so called south asia has a border with central asia which has nukes much b4 us.