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https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-...iran-to-shia-islam.503633/page-5#post-9636798

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I already replied Samlee with all the Proofs, but I see this message on the top of my post:
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Regarding abrogation of this verse (i.e. no compulsion in religion 2:256) with the verse of Sword (i.e. to kill Mushrikeen where ever you find them 9:05) , please see Tafsir al-Kathir:

بل هي منسوخة بآية القتال، وإنه يجب أن يدعى جميع الأمم إلى الدخول في الدين الحنيف، دين الإسلام، فإن أبى أحد منهم الدخول فيه، ولم ينقد له، أو يبذل الجزية، قوتل حتى يقتل، وهذامعنى الإكراه، قال الله تعالى { سَتُدْعَوْنَ إِلَىٰ قَوْمٍ أُوْلِى بَأْسٍ شَدِيدٍ تُقَـٰتِلُونَهُمْ أَوْ يُسْلِمُونَ } [الفتح: 16] وقال تعالى: { يَٰأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّبِىُّ جَـٰهِدِ ٱلْكُفَّـٰرَ وَٱلْمُنَـٰفِقِينَ وَٱغْلُظْ عَلَيْهِمْ } [التوبة: 73] وقال تعالى: { يَٰأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ قَاتِلُواْ ٱلَّذِينَ يَلُونَكُمْ مِّنَ ٱلْكُفَّارِ وَلِيَجِدُواْ فِيكُمْ غِلْظَةً وَٱعْلَمُوۤاْ أَنَّ ٱللَّهَ مَعَ ٱلْمُتَّقِينَ }[التوبة: 123] وفي الصحيح: " عجب ربك من قوم يقادون إلى الجنة في السلاسل " يعني: الأسارى الذين يقدم بهم بلاد الإسلام في الوثائق والأغلال والقيود والأكبال، ثم بعد ذلك يسلمون، وتصلح أعمالهم وسرائرهم، فيكونون من أهل الجنة.

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Also see Islam q&a where once again they are telling this verse has been abrogated and presenting quranic verses and Ahadith as proof:

https://islamqa.info/en/34770
 
I already replied Samlee with all the Proofs, but I see this message on the top of my post:
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Regarding abrogation of this verse (i.e. no compulsion in religion 2:256) with the verse of Sword (i.e. to kill Mushrikeen where ever you find them 9:05) , please see Tafsir al-Kathir:

بل هي منسوخة بآية القتال، وإنه يجب أن يدعى جميع الأمم إلى الدخول في الدين الحنيف، دين الإسلام، فإن أبى أحد منهم الدخول فيه، ولم ينقد له، أو يبذل الجزية، قوتل حتى يقتل، وهذامعنى الإكراه، قال الله تعالى { سَتُدْعَوْنَ إِلَىٰ قَوْمٍ أُوْلِى بَأْسٍ شَدِيدٍ تُقَـٰتِلُونَهُمْ أَوْ يُسْلِمُونَ } [الفتح: 16] وقال تعالى: { يَٰأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّبِىُّ جَـٰهِدِ ٱلْكُفَّـٰرَ وَٱلْمُنَـٰفِقِينَ وَٱغْلُظْ عَلَيْهِمْ } [التوبة: 73] وقال تعالى: { يَٰأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ قَاتِلُواْ ٱلَّذِينَ يَلُونَكُمْ مِّنَ ٱلْكُفَّارِ وَلِيَجِدُواْ فِيكُمْ غِلْظَةً وَٱعْلَمُوۤاْ أَنَّ ٱللَّهَ مَعَ ٱلْمُتَّقِينَ }[التوبة: 123] وفي الصحيح: " عجب ربك من قوم يقادون إلى الجنة في السلاسل " يعني: الأسارى الذين يقدم بهم بلاد الإسلام في الوثائق والأغلال والقيود والأكبال، ثم بعد ذلك يسلمون، وتصلح أعمالهم وسرائرهم، فيكونون من أهل الجنة.

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Also see Islam q&a where once again they are telling this verse has been abrogated and presenting quranic verses and Ahadith as proof:

https://islamqa.info/en/34770

You Have Not Presented Any New Argument,You Have Just Rehashed Old Arguments:tsk::tsk::tsk:

Samlee Bhai Has Already Listed Multiple Scholars But You Choose To Ignore Everyone And Focus On One Paragraph(And That Too Incomplete) of Tafsir ibn-Kathir.I Will List More


Ammaar Yasir Qadhi
writes:

Specification involves one verse limiting or restricting a general ruling found in another verse, whereas naskh involves abrogating the first verse in toto (i.e., it is not applied in any circumstances or conditions). (Qadhi, An Introduction to the Sciences of the Qur’aan;UK Al-Hidaayah Publishing and Distribution, 1999, p. 233)
Shaykh Qadhi also explains that one of the conditions for naskh is that the two conflicting rulings apply to the same situation under the same circumstances, and hence there is no alternative understanding of the application of the verses. As he states:

Therefore, if one of the rulings can apply to a specific case, and the other ruling to a different case, this cannot be considered an example of naskh. (Qadhi, An Introduction to the Sciences of the Qur’aan;UK Al-Hidaayah Publishing and Distribution, 1999, p. 237)

Therefore, verse 9:5 can in no way be considered an example of naskh since it is only a ruling applied to a very specific situation and circumstances. There is a lot of confusion surrounding some verses labeled as cases of naskh because the early Muslims used to use the word naskh to refer to takhsees as well. Therefore, some Muslims failed to realize that some of these cases labeled by early Muslims as ‘naskh’ were cases of takhsees. This is why some early Muslim scholars are quoted who have classified this verse as a case of ‘naskh’. One should realize that they used the term naskh to refer to a broader range of meanings, including takhsees. As Dr. Jamal Badawi writes:

Any claim of naskh must be definitive, not based on mere opinion or speculation. It should be noted that earlier Muslims used the term naskh to refer also to takhsees or specifying and limiting the ruling than abrogating it. (SOURCE, emphasis added)

Shaykh Abu Ammaar Yasir Qadhi specifically addresses the confusion about verse 9:5, and after citing the different claims he concludes:

It can be seen from the examples and categories quoted that, in reality, most of these verses cannot be considered to have been abrogated in the least. Some of them merely apply to situations other than those that they were revealed for. Almost all of these ‘mansookh’ (abrogated) verses can still be said to apply when the Muslims are in a situation similar to the situation in which the verses were revealed. Thus, the ‘Verse of the Sword’ in reality does not abrogate a large number of verses; in fact, az-Zarqaanee concludes that it does not abrogate any! (fn. Az-Zarqaanee, v.2, pps.275-282) (Qadhi, An Introduction to the Sciences of the Qur’aan;UK Al-Hidaayah Publishing and Distribution, 1999, p. 254)

Shaykh Sami Al-Majid also states the same thing in his article:

Some people – especially some contemporary non-Muslim critics of Islam – have tried to claim that this verse abrogates the verse “Let there be no compulsion in religion.” They argue that the generality of this statement implies that every unbeliever who refuses to accept Islam must be fought. They support their allegation by pointing out that this verse is one of the last verses to be revealed about fighting. However, this verse in no way abrogates the principle in Islamic Law that there is no compulsion in religion. It may be general in wording, but its meaning is quite specific on account of other verses of the Qur’ân that are connected with it as well as on account of a number of pertinent hadîth. (SOURCE)

Shaykh Jamal Al-Din Zarabozo also deals with this issue in his writings on the verse “There is no compulsion in religion”. He mentions the view that this verse has been abrogated as then states:

Al-Dausiri rejects this statement because of the following: A verse cannot abrogate another verse unless it completely removes the ruling of the earlier verse and there is no way to reconcile the contradictory meanings of the verses. (Zarabozo, There is No Compulsion in Religion, Al-Basheer)

This was the view of the great scholars and mufasireen (Qur’anic commentators) both classical and recent, like Ash-Shanqeeti or Ibn Jarir At-Tabari. Shaykh Muhammad S. Al-Awa also comments on this issue in his discussion on the puunishment for apostasy:

At the same time, one can say that the death penalty for apostasy – especially when it is considered as a hadd (prescribed) punishment – contradicts the Qur’anic principle [law] in Surah II, verse 256, which proclaims “No compulsion in religion.” Ibn Hazm, to avoid this criticism, claimed that this verse had been abrogated and that compulsion is allowed in religion; consequently, according to him, the punishment for apostasy does not contradict the Qur’an (fn. Muhalla, vol. XI, p. 195). However, this claim is invalid, since Qur’anic scholars have established the abrogated verses and this verse is not among them (fn. Suyuti, Itqan, vol. II, p. 22-24). Accordingly, one can say with the Encyclopaedia of Islam that “In the Qur’an the apostate is threatened with punishment in the next world only.” (fn. Heffening, Encyclopaedia of Islam, vol. III, p. 736 under “Murtadd”). (El-Awa, Punishment in Islamic Law; US American Trust Publications, 1993, p. 51, emphasis added)

Therefore, when we discuss the merciful and loving verses of the Qur’an and we receive a claim that they have been abrogated by the specific verses concerning battle, we can dismiss such a claim as mere speculation and invalid. Peace and justice are fundamentals of the religion of Islam and can never be removed from it.

M.A.S. Abdul Haleem, Professor of Oriental and African Studies at the University of London, writes:

The main clause of the sentence – “kill the polytheists” – is singled out by some non-Muslims as representing the Islamic attitude to war; even some Muslims takes this view and allege that this verse abrogated many other verses including, “There is no compulsion in religion,” (2:256) and even according to one solitary extremist, “God is forgiving and merciful.”

This far-fetched interpretation isolates and decontextualizes a small part of a sentence and of a passage which gives many reasons for the order to fight such polytheists: they continually broke their agreements and aided others against the Muslims, they started hostilities against the Muslims, barred others from becoming Muslims, expelled them from the Holy Mosque and even from their own homes. At least eight times the passage mentions the misdeeds of these people against the Muslims.

Moreover, consistent with the restriction of war elsewhere in the Quran, the immediate context of this “sword verse” exempts such polytheists who do not break their agreements and who keep peace with Muslims. It orders that those enemies seeking safe conduct should be protected and delivered to the place of safety they seek.

The whole of this context to verse 9:5, with all its restrictions, is ignored by those who simply isolate one part of a sentence to build on it their theory of violence in Islam.
(Source: The Qur’an – English translation and parallel Arabic text. p. xxiii)

Ustadh Faraz A. Khan commenting on Quran 9:5 says,

Context of the Verse of the Sword [9:5]
…….the Verse of the Sword deals specifically with the situation of Meccan polytheists breaking peace treaties and openly declaring war on the Muslim polity. The verse, then, commands the Muslim state to take up arms and defend itself against those that breached their covenants and attacked out of treachery.
This explanation is confirmed by the most reliable Imams of Qur’anic exegesis [tafsir], including Imam Razi, Imam Jamal, Imam Zamakhshari, Imam Baydawi, Imam Nasafi, Imam Biqa`i, and others.
[Razi, Mafatih al-Ghayb; Jamal, Hashiyat al-Jalalayn; Zamakhshari, Kashshaf; Baydawi, Anwar al-Tanzil; Nasafi, Madarik al-Tanzil; Biqa`i, Nadhm al-Durar]
The verse, therefore, can by no means be generalized to refer to all disbelievers. Such an interpretation is not confirmed by scholars of Qur’anic interpretation. It would be both contrary to the intent of the verses as well as disastrous for the security of both Muslim and non-Muslim citizens and nation-states

Islamic Scholar Muhammad Asad commentary

“5 Lit., ‘Until their term’.
6 According to a pre-Islamic custom prevalent in Arabia, the months of Muharram, Rajab, Dh’l-Qa’dah and Dhu’l-Hijjah were considered ‘sacred’ in the sense that all tribal warfare had to cease during those months. It was with a view to preserving these periods of truce and thus to promoting peace among the frequently warring tribes that the Qur’an did not revoke, but rather confirmed, this ancient custom. See also 2:194 and 217
7 Read in conjunction with the preceding verses, as well as with 2:190-194, the above verse relates to warfare already in progress with people who have become guilty obligations and of aggression.
8 I.e., ‘do everything that may be necessary and advisable in warfare’. The term marsad denotes ‘any place from which it is possible to perceive the enemy and to observe his movements (Manar x, 199). 9 As I have pointed out on more than one occasion, every verse of the Qur’an must be read and interpreted against the background of the Qur’an as a whole. The above verse, which speaks of a possible conversion to Islam on the part of ‘those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God’ with whom the believers are at war, must, therefore, be considered in conjunction with several fundamental Qur’anic ordinances. One of them,There shall be no coercion in matters of faith’
(2:256), lays down categorically that any attempt at a forcible conversion of unbelievers is prohibited-which precludes the possibility of the Muslims demanding or expecting that a defeated enemy should embrace Islam as the price of immunity. Secondly, Qur’an ordains ‘Fight in God’s cause against those who wage war against you; but do not commit aggression, for, verily, God does not love aggressors’ (2:190); and, ‘if they do not let you be, and do not offer you peace, and do not stay their hands, seize them and slay them whenever you come upon them: and it is against these that we have clearly empowered you [to make war]’ (4:91). Thus, war is permissible only in self-defence (see surah 2, notes 167 and 168, with the further proviso that ’if they desist- behold, God, God is much-forgiving, a dispenser of grace’ (2:192), and ‘if they desist, then all hostility shall cease’ (2:193). Now the enemy’s conversion to Islam- expressed in the words, ‘if they repent, and take to prayer [lit., ‘establish prayer’] and render the purifying dues [zakah]’- is no more than one, and by no means the only, way of their ‘desisting from hostility’; and the reference to it in verses 5 and 11 of this surah certainly does not imply an alternative of ‘conversion or death’, as some unfriendly critics of Islam choose to assume. Verse 4 and 6 give a further elucidation of the attitude which the believers are enjoined to adopt towards such of the unbelievers are not hostile to them. (In this connection, see also 60:8-9).” [2]

In the Book ‘Understanding the Qur’an Themes and Style’, Dr. Muhammad Abdel Haleem writes:

“We must also comment on another verse much referred to but notoriously misinterpreted and taken out of context – that which became labelled as the ‘Sword verse’ : “…Then when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever you find them, take them and besiege them and prepare for them every ambush….” [ 9:5 ] The hostility and “bitter enmity” of the polytheists and their fitna [ persecution, 2:193 ; 8:39 ] of the Muslims grew so great that the unbelievers were determined to convert the Muslims back to paganism or finish them off. “…They would persist in fighting you until they turn you back from your religion, if they could….” [ 2:217 ] It was these hardened polytheists in Arabia, who would accept nothing other than the expulsion of the Muslims or their reversion to paganism, and who repeatedly broke their treaties, that the Muslims were ordered to treat in the same way – to fight them or expel them….Even with such an enemy Muslims were not simply ordered to pounce on them and reciprocate by breaking the treaty themselves; instead, an ultimatum was issued, giving the enemy notice, that after the four sacred months mentioned in 9:5 above, the Muslims would wage war on them. The main clause of the sentence “kill the polytheists” is singled out by some Western scholars to represent the Islamic attitude to war; even some Muslims take this view and allege that this verse abrogated other verses on war. This is pure fantasy, isolating and decontextualizing a small part of a sentence. The full picture is given in 9:1-15, which gives many reasons for the order to fight the polytheists. They continuously broke their agreements and aided others against the Muslims, they started hostilities against the Muslims, barred others from becoming Muslims, “expelled” Muslims from the Holy Mosque and even from their own homes. At least eight times the passage mentions their misdeeds against the Muslims. Consistent with restrictions on war elsewhere in the Qur’an, the immediate context of this “Sword Verse” exempts such polytheists who do not break their agreements and who keep the peace with the Muslims [9:7], it orders that those enemies seeking safe conduct should be protected and delivered to the place of safety they seek [9:6]. The whole of this context to v. 5, with all its restrictions, is ignored by those who simply isolate one part of a sentence to build their theory of war in Islam on what is termed “The Sword Verse” even when the word sword does not occur anywhere in the Qur’an.” [3]

Professor Jamal A. Badawi

Common Questions and Objections
1. How do you explain verses in the Qur’an that encourage killing non-Muslims wherever they are found (9:5) and others that allow fighting against Jews, Christians, and other neighboring non-Muslims (9:29, 123)?
Answer: To begin with, the verse (9:5) has nothing to do with the People of the Book (Jews and Christians), who are distinguished from other non-Muslims. The Qur’anic text (98:1) makes a clear distinction between the People of the Book or Ahl Al-Kitab and the idolatrous people, al-mushrikeen, the term used in 9:5.
Furthermore, all these and similar verses have been sometimes misconstrued and taken out of their textual and historical context. They have been taken out of their textual context by ignoring the verses before and after the quoted ones, as well as ignoring other verses in the Qur’an which relate to the same issues and thus shed light on their true meanings. They have also been taken out of the historical context that could explain why they were revealed and how they should be applied.
All of these verses, without exception, if studied carefully, address aggression and oppression committed against Muslims at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), whether by idolatrous Arabs, some of the Jewish tribes in Madinah, or by some Christians. Most, however, apply to the Makkans and other idolatrous Arabs aggressors. Some of the antagonists tortured, and in certain cases killed, Muslims because of their faith, for example the killing of Sumayyah and her husband Yasir. Some killed the memorizers of the Qur’an who were simply on their way to preach its message of Allah’s Oneness in a peaceful manner. Some of them killed the messengers sent by the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), which is equivalent in today’s international law to killing the ambassador of another country—an act of war. Some of them gathered armies, like the Christians in Tabuk, in order to attack Muslims. Some of them wrote letters to their local governors to go and kill the Prophet Muhammad(peace and blessings be upon him) unless he recanted his claim of prophethood, as was the case with the Emperor of Persia. Some betrayed peace treaties and killed unsuspecting peaceful people without provocation, contrary to agreements, such as the breaking of the Treaty of Hudaybiah by the Makkans. The issue here is not religion, but rather injustice, oppression, and aggression.

• There are many verses in the Qur’an stating that those who coexist peacefully with Muslims are entitled to justice, compassion, and respect, irrespective of their religion (60:8-9) as long as they are peaceful with Muslims.

If it were true that the Qur’an instructs that any non-Muslim should be killed because of his or her religion, then what would explain the fact that religious minorities through 1,400 years of Muslim history not only survived, but also thrived and found freedom to practice their faiths under Muslim rule? Clearly, Muslims as a people were not perfect, yet there were times when they had enough power to eliminate almost all non-Muslims under their rule. The historical record shows that they did not abuse this power. The restraint they showed seems to be influenced in the first place by the Qur’anic injunctions against coercion in religion.

The Qur’an allows a Muslim man to get married to a Christian or Jewish woman. If it were true that the Qur’an demands killing non-Muslims, how could it permit a Muslim man to marry such women? Marriage is the closest human relationship and is described in the Qur’an as a relationship characterized by peace, love, and compassion (30:21), not murder because of theological differences. [4]

Commentary on the Holy Quran By Zohurul Hoque and Husein Nuri

9:5 Regarding the significance of sacred months see notes to v. 2. Many malicious critics of Islam fully exploited the outward message of the verse to project a seriously distorted picture of Islam and concluded its militant stance is the cause behind many of the hostilities in the world. Their basic analogy is how this religion, bearing a name of peace, could teach killing innocent people. The critics try to portray every Muslim is required to slay every non-Muslim wherever they may find them, at peace time or otherwise. In this context, it is important to note that nowhere in the Qur’ān, free permission was given to kill anyone anywhere. Therefore, the message of the verse must be objectively analyzed and interpreted in context of the revelation and its application must be done in circumstances similar to that necessitated the revelation.
Regardless of the name or intent of the religion, the Qur’ān, being a complete guide for every problem at personal, communal and state level, must address what should be done if fundamental rights of a community or a nation are violated due to armed aggression and appropriate collective redress cannot be established due to lack of a system to assure peace or disinterest and/or inability of a system to solve the crisis. With or without the Qur’ānic instruction, a Muslim community or a nation is expected to react exactly the same way a non-Muslim community or a nation would react if they are attacked or war is waged against them. Only difference is a non-Muslim community or a nation would defend itself against hostile aggression or war out of their instinctive or constitutional right to protect them, without having to recourse to their scriptures. Since no other scripture claims to contain ‘complete guidance’ for mankind, it is no surprise to see they do not address complex socio-political issues of war and peace. Before giving the permission to capture, wait in ambush or slay the unbelievers, the Qur’ān made it clear to comply with peace treaty with those who are willing to uphold it (previous verse). It must be remembered that initiative for all peace treaty was made from the Muslim side, as war was not seen as an objective of Islam. It must also be remembered that in the pre-Islamic era and during the development of Islamic era, annulment of peace treaty between two hostile tribes was nothing but declaration of open war. The Muslims were therefore, specifically instructed to fight against those tribes that annulled peace treaty. In this regard, specific notation of 2:190-193 may be made that say: and fight in the way of Allāh against those who fight with you and do not transgress. Thus, war is permissible only in self-defense, and not as an act of active aggression. While in a war Islam permits everything necessary and advisable in warfare, yet it prohibits undue aggression in war (2:190, 193; 8:39,61-62).
The malicious critics of Islam often quote the second half of the verse to imply that non-Muslims were converted into Islam with great degree of coercion. This message must be reviewed in conjunction with several other fundamental ordinances of the Qur’ān that say: there is no compulsion in religion, the Right Path has indeed been made distinct from the wrong (2:256; also see 6:105; 10:99; 18:29; 27:92; 42:15; 73:19; 76:29). Keeping this in mind, the only way the captives in war could be prevented from reverting to hostility upon their release was to make them embrace Islam. Such conversion in Islam was purely as a war strategy and should not be viewed as general approach during peacetime or as intolerance of their faith. In every age, the hostile pastors of many Churches quoted this ruling of the verse in a much generalized sense to incite hatred towards Islam. Nowhere the verse says the captives were to be converted. Three things about the captives are stated: (a) if they repent, (b) if they keep up salāt, and (c) if they pay zakat, they should be left alone on their path. The condition of professing faith in Islam is clearly absent. Mention of salāt and zakat may have misled the critics into believing the captives were converted into Islam and then left alone. Even before the advent of Islam, the Arabs were accustomed to performing salāt and paying zakat, just as Ibrāhīm, Ismā‘īl, Mūsā, Jesus and their disciples were mandated to perform salāt and pay zakat (19:31,55; 21:73). By sincerely expressing repentance for waging war and then by showing adherence to their form of salāt and zakat, the captives would have rightly demonstrated change in their evil intentions. [5]

The Holy Quran Arabic Text with English Translation, Commentary and comprehensive Introduction, Maulana Muhammad Ali

4a. Only two tribes, the Bani Damarah, and the Bani Kananah, are related to have adhered to their treaties. The exception given here makes it clear that the Muslims were not fighting with the idolaters on account of their religion, but on account of their having been untrue to their engagements.
5a. The clear exception of the last verse shows that by the idolaters here are meant, not all idolaters or polytheistswherever they may be found in the world, not even all idolaters of Arabia, but only those idolaters tribes of Arabia assembled at the pilgrimage who had first made agreements with the Muslims and then violated them.
5b. The exception here has given rise to much misconception. It is thought that it offers to the disbelievers the alternative of the sword or the Qur’an. Nothing is farther from the truth. The injunction contained in the first part of the verse establishes the fact that the whole verse relates to certain idolatrous Arab tribes who had broken their engagements with the Muslims, and who had now been apprised of a similar repudiation by the Muslims. The order to kill them and to make them prisoners and to besiege them and ambush them amounts clearly to an order to fight against them, as it is in war only that all these things are made lawful. They had so often broken their word that they could no more be trusted. Yet, if they joined the brotherhood of Islam, and there was an absolute change in their condition, the punishment which they otherwise deserved could be remitted.
It was a case of forgiving a guilty people who had repented. It should also be noted that a mere confession of the faith is not required; what is required is an absolute change, so that the old crimes are all abandoned. Therefore, along with the confession of the faith, it Is required that they should keep up the prayer and pay the poor-rate. The subject is further clarified in the next verse and the following section.
6a. This verse leaves no doubt that the Prophet was never ordered to kill anyone one account of his religion. “You shall give a safe-conduct that he may return home again securely in case he shall not think fit to embrace Islam (Sale).
7a. So long as the idolaters were true to their agreements, the Muslims were required to be true to them. Just as in the case of war, the Muslims were not allowed to fight until the enemy had first attacked, so, in the case of repudiation of agreements, it was the enemy who first repudiated the agreement.
10a. Note the repeated assertions of the Qur’an that the disbelievers were not to be fought against for their disbelief but for their being first in starting war or repudiation agreements. No remedy was left for the covert mischief if these people, except that the agreements should be overtly repudiated and a period put to all their mischief. [6]

The Holy Qur’an Arabic Text with English Translation and short Commentary, Malik Ghulam Farid

1155A. ‘The forbidden months’ are the four months of Dhu’l-Qa’dah, Dhu’l-Hijjah, Muharram and Rajab, the first three being the months of the Greater Pilgrimage, while in the last the Arabs generally performed the lesser pilgrimage or ‘Ummah (2:195 & 2:218). The term Ashur Al-Hurum does not signify ‘sacred months’ but ‘forbidden months’ and refers to the four months mentioned in 9:2 above. In these months the above-mentioned idolaters were granted protection to travel through the land and see for themselves whether Islam had not triumphed and whether the word of God had not been fulfilled. At the end of this period, during which all hostilities were to remain suspended, war was resumed against such avowed enemies of Islam as had themselves started hostilities and had repeatedly broken their plighted word. The reason for this ultimatum is given in vv. 9:8-13. As for those idolaters who had not been guilty of faithlessness and treachery, they were to be protected (9:4, 7).
1156. Those idolaters who had fought with the Muslims and not yet asked for a fresh treaty with them.
1157. Even those enemies of Islam at whose hands Muslims had suffered very grievous losses were to be forgiven if they repented and accepted Islam of their own free will.
In fact, there was a large number of men among the idolaters who, in their heart of hearts, had been convinced of Islam, but who, either pride or fear of persecution or other considerations, had refrained from open confession of faith. This verse assured such people that if anyone of them declared his faith in Islam even during the war, his confession would not be taken as hypocritical or as having been to save his skin.
1158. The verse clearly establishes the fact that war with idolaters was not undertaken in order to force them to embrace Islam, because, according to it, even when a state of war existed, idolaters were to be permitted to come to the Muslims’ camp or headquarters if they desired to investigate the truth. Then, after the truth had been preached to them and they had been acquainted with the teachings of Islam, they were to be safely conducted to their place of security, if they did not feel inclined to embrace to the new faith. In the face of such clear teachings, it is the height of injustice to accuse Islam of intolerance or o using or conniving at force; for its propagation.
1159. The verse shows that war was permissible only against such non-Muslims as had repeatedly violated most solemn covenants and had attacked Muslims treacherously. As for the rest, Muslims had been bidden to observe their engagements with them strictly and faithfully. Like 9:4, this verse describes the observance of covenants and treaties as an act of piety and righteousness which is pleasing to God. The Qur’an repeatedly and most emphatically exhorts Muslims to be faithful to their treaties.[7]
 
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In fact this verse (of no compulsion) has been abrogated by the Verse of Sword, which revealed at the end of Prophet's life in 9th Hijri.

After the Verse of Sword, the final orders are:

1) Kuffar have either to accept Islam, or they should be killed and their women to be taken as slaves along with children.

2) Ahle Kitab are allowed to give Jizyaah and save their life. But this Jizyaa means that they they are 2nd class citizens and they should face hardships which finally compel them to accept Islam.

You Can Continue To Spread Lies.The Fact That You Have Chosen To Ignore, Ibn Taimmmiya, Ibn Qaim,Al_Tabari,Abi 'Ubayd, Al-Jassas, Makki bin Abi Talib, Al-Nahhas, Ibn Jizziy, Ibn Ashur,Al_Suyuti,Al Qurtabi,Fakhr ud Din Razi and A Host Of Other Highly Prolific Scholars and Only Rehash One Incomplete Paragraph of Ibn KathirIs Enough To Show How Baseless Your Arguments Are.And If You Read That Paragraph You Will See That They Are Not His Own Opinion But That Of Ad-Dhahak Bin Muhazim Which He Only Quoted

Only An Idiot Would Choose To Ignore Everything Written Before and After and Base An Entire Legal Opinion On A Single Verse.

Here Is What Imam Tabari Has Had To Write


“as for those who repeat what qatada and others mention concerning the abrogation of this verse [by the verse of the sword]it is a baseless statement unsubstantiated by the qur’an, the sunna (prophetic tradition), or sound intellect.” ibn kathir, after mentioning the opinion that this verse is abrogated specifically rejects that idea. He states, “there is no contradiction (tanafi), abrogation (naskh) or specification(takhsis) [in this verse].”
 
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You Can Continue To Spread Lies.The Fact That You Have Chosen To Ignore, Ibn Taimmmiya, Ibn Qaim,Al_Tabari,Abi 'Ubayd, Al-Jassas, Makki bin Abi Talib, Al-Nahhas, Ibn Jizziy, Ibn Ashur,Al_Suyuti,Al Qurtabi,Fakhr ud Din Razi and A Host Of Other Highly Prolific Scholars and Only Rehash One Incomplete Paragraph of Ibn KathirIs Enough To Show How Baseless Your Arguments Are.And If You Read That Paragraph You Will See That They Are Not His Own Opinion But That Of Ad-Dhahak Bin Muhazim Which He Only Quoted

Only An Idiot Would Choose To Ignore Everything Written Before and After and Base An Entire Legal Opinion On A Single Verse.

Here Is What Imam Tabari Has Had To Write

No benefit to talk on this subject when Mods are not going to approve the posts.

I already told you that the Ulama you are quoting have no value while they have absolutely no proofs from Quran and Sunnah, and the Ijma of Sahaba going against them. While on the other hand, these are again your own Salaf Ulama who are refuting your quoted Ulama by presenting the Ijma of Sahaba.

That is why today Saudi Salafi websites and official Mufti Bin Baz giving the same fatwa that verse of no compulsion has been abrogated and Kuffar should be killed and Ahle Kitab has to pay the Jizyah. They have now the largest following among the new generations of Muslims.

I already told you about your wrong standards where you take only Suyuti and his like of Ulamas and totally hide the other Ulamas like Shafii, Ahmad bin Hanbal, Ibn Hazm, and others. While according to your own standards, they are also presenting Islam.

Why should I be blamed when there are 2 Islams, and both are valid for the centuries.
 
bloody turks !
Yes, Ottomans move to non muslims areas while Safavid moving towards Muslim areas. Bloody Turks, they should follows Safavid and kill Muslims only, why the hell they were doing Jihad against western powers. You are correct brother. Bloody Ottomans, curse on them.
 
@veg

Have you read Surah At-Tawbah properly?

Polytheism was to be eradicated from Mecca because possibility of disbelief tainting this region again was high in the future. However:

And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah. Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.

Surah At-Tawbah ; verse 6

Emphasis mine. Muslims were supposed to silence only those polytheists who would offer resistance. Innocent would be protected from harm and allowed to migrate to other places.

How can there be for the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-Masjid al-Haram? So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].

Surah At-Tawbah ; verse 7

Emphasis mine. Peaceful co-existence with polytheists was permitted in other regions.

Bro,

Study Holy Quran properly before jumping to conclusions.

Allah Almighty have consistently forbidden aggression against non-believers unless they would attempt to eliminate Muslims. Innocents (believers or otherwise) should not be victimized.
 
@veg

Have you read Surah At-Tawbah properly?

Polytheism was to be eradicated from Mecca because possibility of disbelief tainting this region again was high in the future. However:

And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah. Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.

Surah At-Tawbah ; verse 6

Emphasis mine. Muslims were supposed to silence only those polytheists who would offer resistance. Innocent would be protected from harm and allowed to migrate to other places.

How can there be for the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-Masjid al-Haram? So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].

Surah At-Tawbah ; verse 7

Emphasis mine. Peaceful co-existence with polytheists was permitted in other regions.

Bro,

Study Holy Quran properly before jumping to conclusions.

Allah Almighty have consistently forbidden aggression against non-believers unless they would attempt to eliminate Muslims. Innocents (believers or otherwise) should not be victimized.



No Point Arguing With Him Bro He Thinks That The Entire Sura Al-Taubah Consists Of Only One Ayat.You've Seen That No Amount of Logic Can Convince Him.Read My Above Posts

Thanks a lot !

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@veg

Have you read Surah At-Tawbah properly?

Brother, believe me, my opinion is irrelevant.

But it is a matter that the SALAF Ulama read Surah Tawbah, and also Sahaba read Surah Tawbah, and they were of opinion of waging war against ALL kuffar and ALL Ahle kitab, even if they were living with peace. According to traditions only exception was the tribe of Bani Hamza (which was a branch of Bani Kananah) with whom longer peace treaty was made,which lasted at max. of 9 months). But for the rest, if they were even living with peace and no special treaty were made, then they were only given 4 months time after which war was declared against them till the time either they accept Islam or they be killed (in case of Kuffar) or pay Jizyaah (in case of Ahle Kitab).

In fact, along with Shafi'i and Ahmed bin Hanbal, other 2 (Malik and Abu Hanifa) all 4 Aima were unanimous that Kuffar had to be killed according to these Quranic verses.

But the later 2 (i.e. Malik and Abu Hanifa) differed only in this that they considered this order of Killing of Mushrikeen to be limited to the Arabia only. But they were unable to put any proof from Quran of Sunnah about the limitation of Arabia only.

Hence other Aima didn't agree with them while Caliph Umar was intended to kill the Majoos, who were not in Arabia, but in Iran.

Polytheism was to be eradicated from Mecca because possibility of disbelief tainting this region again was high in the future. However:

And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah. Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.

Surah At-Tawbah ; verse 6

Please note:

1) Common Order of Quran was of killing of ALL Mushrikeen after 4 months (either Harbi or Non Harbi).
2) Then exception was made if any INDIVIDUAL Mushrik didn't hear the message of Islam, and if he sought Aman (protection), then don't kill him. But this protection was not permanent, but time limited, after which either he has to accept Islam, or to be delivered to Darul Harb (Kafir state).
Compulsion was still there for even that Individual (who sought protection and not killed) to either accept Islam or to leave the Islamic State. Even if that Individual was peaceful and non Harbi, but still he could not live in an Islamic state.
3) It was thought enough as "Hujjat" that few Muslims go to any Mushrik tribe and invited them to Islam. After that waging war against that tribe became ligit and either that tribe had to accept Islam, or to be killed.

I am not going to quote Ahadith here where Sahaba killed Mushrik tribes (I posted those Ahadith earlier, but Mods didn't approve that post).

Emphasis mine. Muslims were supposed to silence only those polytheists who would offer resistance. Innocent would be protected from harm and allowed to migrate to other places.

According to Salaf and Sahaba, this interpretation is not correct. Collective Tribe had absolutely no chance after getting the invitation. Either they to accept Islam or to be killed. While Individuals had time limited protection, after which they had to accept Islam or to leave their homes and go to any kafir state.

How can there be for the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-Masjid al-Haram? So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].

Surah At-Tawbah ; verse 7

Please read different Tafasir which agree that almost all Mushrikeen got 4 months time. Longest was about Bani Hamza (branch of Banu Kananah) who got max. of 9 months due to previous treaty.



Bro,

Study Holy Quran properly before jumping to conclusions.

I am non related. Let me quote Ghamidi, who is ultimately quoting Salaf Ulama (link):

اسلام قبول نہ کرنے والے کفار کے لیے دو طرح کی سزائیں بیان ہوئی ہیں۔ مشرکین کے بارے میں حکم دیا گیا ہے کہ انھیں قتل کر دیا جائے، جبکہ اہل کتاب کے بارے میں یہ کہا گیا ہے کہ ان سے قتال کر کے انھیں جزیہ ادا کرنے پر مجبور کیا جائے۔۔۔۔ امام شافعی، امام احمد بن حنبل اور ابن حزم جیسے ائمہ نے زیر بحث نصوص میں سے’فاقتلوا المشرکین‘ کو اس باب میں اصل اور اساس قرار دیتے ہوئے یہ نتیجہ اخذ کیا کہ کفار کو قبول اسلام پر مجبور کرنے اور انکار کی صورت میں ان کو قتل کر دینے کا حکم شریعت کے اصل اور مقصود بالذات حکم کی حیثیت رکھتا ہے اور اپنی علت ونوعیت کے لحاظ سے اصلاً اس کا اطلاق دنیا کے تمام کفار پر ہوتا ہے۔ البتہ اہل کتاب یعنی یہود ونصاریٰ اور مجوس کو چونکہ خود اللہ تعالیٰ اور اس کے پیغمبر نے خاص رعایت دیتے ہوئے اپنے مذہب پر قائم رہنے کی اجازت دی ہے، اس لیے وہ اس سے مستثنیٰ ہیں (بحوالہ: ابن حزم، الاحکام، ۵/ ۱۰۴، ۱۰۵۔ ابن القیم، احکام اہل الذمہ، ۱/ ۹۱)۔

I earlier quoted Tafsir al-Qurtabi too for more explanation.

Please also see how these Salaf Ulama quoted the Ijma of Sahaba when 2nd Caliph Umar intended to slaughter Majoos and none of Sahabi deemed it to be against Islam. Even Suyuti himself quoted many traditions about this incident in his Tafsir Dur-e-Manthur (verse 9:29).


At the end, let me show you what ISIS did.

ISIS allowed the Christians in Iraq to pay Jizyaah. But they didn't take Jizyaah from Yazidies and killed their men and took their women as slaves.

This same ISIS ideology is followed by Saudi Salafi Ulama and their followers (as I have posted Islam q&a and Bin Baz earlier). This opinion is also a valid Islam while Salaf Ulama did held this position very clearly.

Please try to understand the Danger.

If any caliphate is formed today by Salafi Groups (like Al-Qaida, Boku Haram, ISIS etc.), and they get the POWER too, then they will indeed kill the non Muslims and take their women as slaves.

Even Saudi Mufties (e.g. Sheikh Fawdhan) gave fatwa as soon as Islamic state gets enough Power, then the institution of Slavery will be started again, as it is Allah who made it Halal to make enemy's women slaves, and no one has the authority to make that thing Halal which had been made Halal by Allah in the Sharia.
 
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Both sides fought against each other on bases of what they consider right, who are you to judge? did imam Ali misbehaved with Hazrat Ayesha (r.a) for jamal? if not then who gave right to some clowns of barking against them? didnt Imam Hassan (r.a) gave baiyat to Amir Muawaiyah (r.a)? are you trying to say imam offer baiyt to wrong person? didnt those shia whom you follow misbehaved with Imam Hassan (r.a) when he signed peace deal and offer baiyt?

Thank you for not answering to my previous Hadith for the second time ....

By the way:
Base on your logic those whom fought prophet (pbuh) fought him on bases of what they considered as right .. so don't judge them .... how could you say all Sahaba are right while some of them killed each other and you think both of them would go to paradise?
Obviously you have no clue about history of Islam .... what happened that Imam hassan (as) that firstly was fighting Mouawia ended to sigh a peace deal with him? actually he was forced to do so as his father Imam Ali (as) whom fought the same monkey but due some idiots ended in Hakamieat ...In peace deal Muawiea pledged not to put Yazid as his successor but as you know lairs are lairs and traitors are traitors like their fathers .... the same thing happened in Karbala the same monkeys killed the grandson and the household of the prophet (pbuh) and women and children of household were taken as prisoners....and you still have the audacity to call them Amir?

Grand mufti of Saudi Arabia Al Sheikh .Muawiyah and Yazid were al-mu'minin

The Shia and the myth of Abdullah ibn Saba - Sayed Ammar Nakshawani:


where is ijma when you dont follow majority of scholars which happens to be Ahll sunnat? Sawad e Azam is not there bcoz it will close shops of your 2 cent Mullah with their 2 cent fabricated beliefs..
All Sunni scholars Abu Hanifa, Malik, Shafei, Hanbal, directly or indirectly are students of Imam Jafar Sadegh (as) , the decedent of the prophet (pbuh) ..

Prophet (pbuh) has asked us to do this:

I am leaving among you two weighty things: the one being the Book of Allah in which there is right guidance and light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it. He exhorted (us) (to hold fast) to the Book of Allah and then said: The second are the members of my household I remind you (of your duties) to the members of my family.​

As you see prophet (pbuh) says : "I have left with you something, which if you strictly adhere to, you shall never go astray–The Book of Allah and my progeny.”

And we are following these 2 ... base on what narration from prophet you follow your scholars?

Again, this ayah need tafseer, and i will again say that Sawad e Azam does not include non Muslims.. now you should go and find tafsir of this ayah, which may open your eye that this ayah is asking us to not follow disbelievers who make majority.

I agree on this, The holy Prophet(Sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) also said “Without doubt my Ummah will never be gathered in misguidance. Whenever you see disagreement, then hold fast to the Sawad-e-Azam (the great majority)” [Ibne Majah]
If all Muslims gather and say the earth is flat , you believe it? indeed no ... Ijma is one of the pillars of Figh in Islam not all of it , it means you first must refer it to Quran and then Sunnah and the Qias and also Ijma ... if Ijma is against Quran then you shouldn't do it ....
 
Yes, Ottomans move to non muslims areas while Safavid moving towards Muslim areas. Bloody Turks, they should follows Safavid and kill Muslims only, why the hell they were doing Jihad against western powers. You are correct brother. Bloody Ottomans, curse on them.

although this is widely a myth , the turks and azeris aren't really responsible for anything in iran. shia islam came from arabia and egypt just like sunni islam . it was a submissive and weak form of islam and an answer to the mongol dominance over the kaliphate . they make a lot of jokes and stories about turks in iran , shia islam being one of them.
 
Correction:

- The Ottomans and Safavids were of Turk origin, and ruled multi-nations/cultures.

- The Safavid Turks may have had part in some changes among un-civilized societies, but the actions of those people are not in responsiblity of Turks; like to hold no muslim responsible for shia/wahabi violance today.

- The Turks have always multiple states/countries in different regions at the same period of time, like today 7 independent, 16 Autonomus and Federal states, also big societies in many countries like S.Azerbaijan or Khorosan Turks in today's geography called ''Iran'' exist today.
 
Thank you for not answering to my previous Hadith for the second time ....

Which hadith?

Base on your logic those whom fought prophet (pbuh) fought him on bases of what they considered as right .. so don't judge them .... how could you say all Sahaba are right while some of them killed each other and you think both of them would go to paradise?

Thats where you go astray when you compare mushrikeen with Sahaba (r.a) like Khawarij.. Khawarij also use example and verses in condemnation of mushrikeen to execute innocent Muslims. They killed each other for what they considered right for Islam and law and order in Khilafat, read hadith of Prophet (PBUH) about Hassan (r.a) where he said : My son is a master, and Allah may use him to make peace between two parties of Muslims.” [Saheeh Al-Bukhari, Book of "Afflictions," #6629, vol.6] its unanimous hadith among Sunnis and Shia.

beloved Prophet (saww) didnt said 1 party of Muslims and other party of Munafiqs..

Obviously you have no clue about history of Islam .... what happened that Imam hassan (as) that firstly was fighting Mouawia ended to sigh a peace deal with him? actually he was forced to do so as his father Imam Ali (as) whom fought the same monkey but due some idiots ended in Hakamieat ...In peace deal Muawiea pledged not to put Yazid as his successor but as you know lairs are lairs and traitors are traitors like their fathers .... the same thing happened in Karbala the same monkeys killed the grandson and the household of the prophet (pbuh) and women and children of household were taken as prisoners....and you still have the audacity to call them Amir?

and you have only clue of fabricated history, Imam Hassan signed peace deal becoz Prophet (saww) propheciesed it, rest is just Blah Blah, Ameer Muawiyah was human (we dont call Ameer ul momineen, for us Sunnis only first 4 Caliphs are true caliphs sometime which include Imam Hassan (R.A) as well) , he was not aware that Yazeed can be traitor and so satanic.

All Sunni scholars Abu Hanifa, Malik, Shafei, Hanbal, directly or indirectly are students of Imam Jafar Sadegh (as) , the decedent of the prophet (pbuh) ..

Prophet (pbuh) has asked us to do this:

I am leaving among you two weighty things: the one being the Book of Allah in which there is right guidance and light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it. He exhorted (us) (to hold fast) to the Book of Allah and then said: The second are the members of my household I remind you (of your duties) to the members of my family.
As you see prophet (pbuh) says : "I have left with you something, which if you strictly adhere to, you shall never go astray–The Book of Allah and my progeny.”

And we are following these 2 ... base on what narration from prophet you follow your scholars?

As i said there is no doubt that Ahle Sunnat are true follower of Ahlul bait (r.a) and we believe in this Hadith with letter and sprit, We dont misbehave against ummul momineen (r.a) or first 3 caliph like Hazrat Ali (r.a) Imam Hassan and Hussain(R.a) but shia do. we follow the Sawad e Azam like Imam Ali did by offering allegiance to Abu Bakr, Umar and Usman (R.A) so the ummah dont get divided, but shia love their minority and fabricated books like nehjul balagha, kafi and etc.

If all Muslims gather and say the earth is flat , you believe it? indeed no ...

you cant gather majority of Muslim on Jahalat.. try your luck, you failed in 14 centuries you will always fail, and from which Ayah or Hadith you got that Prophet (saww) said Hazrat Ali (r.a) will be first caliph.. That Hadith didnt reach big Jammat of Muslimeen who elected Khalifa e Rasool Abu bakr (r.a) caliph including Hazrat Ali (r.a), but it reached Shia somehow..

And dont post about Darbari Mullah like Saudi Mufti, no one take him serious.
 
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Correction:

- The Ottomans and Safavids were of Turk origin, and ruled multi-nations/cultures.

- The Safavid Turks may have had part in some changes among un-civilized societies, but the actions of those people are not in responsiblity of Turks; like to hold no muslim responsible for shia/wahabi violance today.

- The Turks have always multiple states/countries in different regions at the same period of time, like today 7 independent, 16 Autonomus and Federal states, also big societies in many countries like S.Azerbaijan or Khorosan Turks in today's geography called ''Iran'' exist today.
Turks enter Iran plateau and become one of Iranian tribe like other
also many Turks have Iranian origin and Iranian culture so we are partner in their glory
 
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