The Great Game Changer: Belt and Road Intiative (BRI; OBOR)

[Speeder 2]

Yes , BRICS satellite is a very good idea . ISRO already showed how cheap a launch can be and yet successful so we should co-operate. ..

Paulez! it was NASA and ESA who showed how cheap it was to launch it using cheap launching facilities in India.

are you really wet-dreaming ISRO can pull out this feat alone as its propaganda says?

the main part, and the only meaningful part, of the mission has been done by NASA and ESA for India, for free.

India alone can not even send a patato to the moon, let alone mars.

 

[Atri Ganguly]

Paulez! it was NASA and ESA who showed how cheap it was to launch it using cheap launching facilities in India.

are you really wet-dreaming ISRO can pull out this feat alone as its propaganda says?

the main part, and the only meaningful part, of the mission has been done by NASA and ESA for India, for free.

India alone can not even send a patato to the moon, let alone mars.

Height of douche. ISRO has been launching payloads for other countries like Germany , Austria , Singapore, Canada and many more since 1999 . You are telling me NASA , ESA teaching us space tech ? Please don't be so ignorant go check the facts . As far as launch success goes since 99 therehas been no unsuccessful launch , even the last PSLV launched payloads for france , canada , germany and singapore in june . You need to get your facts checked .

Only assistance we used was Australian deep space comm sat for confirming orbit insertion on the mars projects . There's no NASA here , and hell with ESA . pffff

 

[Atri Ganguly]

BTW, the Russia researcher in the OP is a dick.


you must be a shining example of how an Indian can lie with a straight face?

-_- Look at the PSLV lanuch history and payload identity . Why do I need to lie ?
Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Speeder 2]

-_- Look at the PSLV lanuch history and payload identity . Why do I need to lie ?
Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

it's a wasting of time talking to a liar. this is my last response to you:

1. whereyou bought PSLV then and now? its fuel? , its second and third level rocket shell materials? its laser gyro guidance system? its engines? its mission critical anti-high tempereture alloys on board? its mission critical super hard alloys on board? its atomic clock tech, used by related sat to make every lanuch workable... etc etc... 5 dozens turnkey technologies of making the very essence of a PSLA rocket?

Where you bought and buy them? russia, france, britain, switserland, israel, germany, etc, etc..

the key of dicussion here is not you have PSLV rocket, Somalia can have PSLV too if they buy them. Your India import most of the key tech of PSLV oke? You rely on the mercy of others. You did not, you do not, you could not and you still can't make all these basic tech yourself.

So stopping bragging about your pathetic PSLV. Even that is not yours, but a combi of cheap imports from no less than 5 countries.


2. you are lying to your teeth that this mars mission has no work from NASA and ESA. In fact, the 90% of this mission, the deep space sensing and control, basically what a mars mission is all about, has been conduted by NASA with some assistance of ESA networks. as I said, without NASA and ESA, ISRO's space aseets alone can not even sense and control a patato half a way from the moon, let alone mars. The mission is cheap because Indian launching facility is cheap. If someone sets up a cheap launching site in Nigeria or Somalia, Nigeria and Somalia can go to mars, too, with NASA/ESA network of course.

 

[Krate M]

I am not hostile towards China, I also believe that Chinese policy is far more realistic towards Pakistan.
It doesn't supply weapons free to Pakistan unlike US.
Also I think India and China have complementary advantages in space technology.
China has greater launch capacity while India has expertise in remote sensing and certain other payloads

 

[Krate M]

@Speeder 2
Deep space network is a cooperative agreement between group of nations doing deep space program. Even China uses it because you cannot communicate with the satellite round the clock.
Regarding space technology, everybody copied the German technology. So nobody else should make rockets?
Can you prove which components of pslv are imported?

 

[Speeder 2]

@Speeder 2
Deep space network is a cooperative agreement between group of nations doing deep space program. Even China uses it because you cannot communicate with the satellite round the clock.
Regarding space technology, everybody copied the German technology. So nobody else should make rockets?
Can you prove which components of pslv are imported?

In terms of deep space sensing and control - a mars mission or a jupiter mission for example:


ONLY USA - NASA has the complete network.

ESA second.

Russia is the thrid.

China is the fourth, but soon to be #2. ( USA ban China from joinning int'l space agency for mutual help. So China has to do it largely alone or with Russia)

Japan is the fifth,

Then France

then Italy

then Germany

...

All other nations don't, thus rely on int'l organisations and mutual help.

India is far outside top 10, even behind countries like Australia or Spain in terms of deep space capability. ISRO has only 2 antennas, both of them bought from Japan from the 90's on. ( India doesn't even have tech to make these antennas!)

On india's imported key PSLV tech, it's public knowledge. google it. It is also common sense that you can't have sth that you are incapable of making it yourself, except import.

 

[Jlaw]

1 they can increase the speed off the hsr
2 some people are afraid of flying, this is an alternative
3 the hsr will cost less than flying, so it has economic benefit
4 i hate to have to be at airport 3 hrs before flight....this adds to the travelling time

 

[Keel]

Are you by any chance a muslim with special kind of hatred for India ? Because I don't see why should a dutch hate India , since your country flag says you are from Netherlands . Just curious .

Indians are inviting the hatred usually

When you bragged MOM program is cheaper than a Hollywood movie, I wonder if NASA has sent you the bill charging their service throughout. So @Speeder 2 has many valid points against your claims.

Also when your nation first claimed finding traces of water on the Lunar surface, it was untrue. Russians (the former Soviet Union) found water on the moon before you

When Indians claimed for "landing" on moon "with its flag" as the "5th" member of the exclusive club ( USA, Soviet Union, Japan, ESA) you were doing something in desperation because there was no other choice but to crash your malfunctioning short lived moon orbiter onto the surface.

Your launch was in October 2008 while our moon orbiter was launched on
October 2007, about 1 year earlier.

Chang'e 1 was a durable craft functioning so well that it outlived our expectation. When Indian crashed your orbiter on the moon on Nov 14, 2008, Chang'e 1 was still doing her jobs brilliantly in orbit way above the heap of Indian debris left on the moon surface until she signed off from her mission crashing on the moon on March 1, 2009

Did we want the claim to "land" on the moon before the Indians? No. Because our orbiter was outliving our expectations so why ended her life against her wish

We are not Indians afterall!

Mission Accomplished: India fifth in world to reach moon - The Times of India
Chandrayaan-1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Chang'e 1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Krate M]

Indians are inviting the hatred usually

When you bragged MOM program is cheaper than a Hollywood movie, I wonder if NASA has sent you the bill charging their service throughout. So @Speeder 2 has many valid points against your claims.

Also when your nation first claimed finding traces of water on the Lunar surface, it was untrue. Russians (the former Soviet Union) found water on the moon before you

When Indians claimed for "landing" on moon "with its flag" as the "5th" member of the exclusive club ( USA, Soviet Union, Japan, ESA) you were doing something in desperation because there was no other choice but to crash your malfunctioning short lived moon orbiter onto the surface.

Your launch was in October 2008 while our moon orbiter was launched on
October 2007, about 1 year earlier.

Chang'e 1 was a durable craft functioning so well that it outlived our expectation. When Indian crashed your orbiter on the moon on Nov 14, 2008, Chang'e 1 was still doing her jobs brilliantly in orbit way above the heap of Indian debris left on the moon surface until she signed off from her mission crashing on the moon on March 1, 2009

Did we want the claim to "land" on the moon before the Indians? No. Because our orbiter was outliving our expectations so why ended her life against her wish

We are not Indians afterall!

Mission Accomplished: India fifth in world to reach moon - The Times of India
Chandrayaan-1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Chang'e 1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Chan'ge was a good mission, but that doesn't take away anything from Chandrayaan.
China has better launch vehicles which translated to the greater life of their mission. I have no problem in saying India is behind in space technology, but to say everything is imported is plain trolling.
India didn't claim first to discover water, we claimed conclusive proof of presence of water. There is a difference.
About the landing and life of orbiter agree with you, it could have been better. But hey we are learning.
I believe India looks up to China and tries to follow in some respect. If anything you guys should be flattered.
That said I believe space is a final frontier for humans and we have seen cooperation in this field and there should be cooperation between us.

 

[kurup]

Yet they still don't have their own manned mission, so this only shows so much control that the US has over these lackey countries, and also to show how difficult is to build up its own ecosystem for the national space program.

What has America got to do with Indian manned mission ??

Making stupid comparison to feel good .

Indians have the access to foreign technologies. Their more powerful rocket engines are given immense help from the Russians. Also India would not have reached the Mars orbit without the assistance from NASA.

European space agency, Japan and S Korea etc also have these advantages over us.

We are very much a lone soul in space but solidly progressing on our own path - building a space industry literally most by ourselves, confidently.

What a proud moment to cheer for

You got no help ..... my foot .

Helping China to the Moon / Operations / Our Activities / ESA

 

[Keel]

Chan'ge was a good mission, but that doesn't take away anything from Chandrayaan.
China has better launch vehicles which translated to the greater life of their mission. I have no problem in saying India is behind in space technology, but to say everything is imported is plain trolling.
India didn't claim first to discover water, we claimed conclusive proof of presence of water. There is a difference.
About the landing and life of orbiter agree with you, it could have been better. But hey we are learning.
I believe India looks up to China and tries to follow in some respect. If anything you guys should be flattered.
That said I believe space is a final frontier for humans and we have seen cooperation in this field and there should be cooperation between us.

Indians claimed this:
Chandrayaan first discovered water on moon, but… | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis

when Soviet Union had this discovered:
Soviet find of water on the Moon in the 1970s ignored by the West

Burn in hell.... @Keel

Are you practising witchcraft for a living?
Just dont curse it behind my back which has the effect of shooting the curse back in double doses on you, loser!

 

[Keel]

You got no help ..... my foot .
Helping China to the Moon / Operations / Our Activities / ESA

That is not the point
ISRO claimed the Mars mission cheaper than a Hollywood movie without counting the cost incurred but not invoiced by NASA

Overall we rely an overwhelmingly lot on ourselves than Indian's missions

You even dont have the heavy lift rocket without Russia's help:
The Space Review: GSLV-D5 success: A major “booster” to India’s space program

A lot of equipment in your Chandrayaan-1 were not Indian made
Chandrayaan-1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[sword1947]

I must be drunk when I read this article.

 

[Krate M]

Indians claimed this:
Chandrayaan first discovered water on moon, but… | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis

when Soviet Union had this discovered:
Soviet find of water on the Moon in the 1970s ignored by the West

I have to admit Indian media when it comes to science reporting is not good, there are few exceptions, but mostly its bad. They may have even claimed we discovered life.

That is not the point
ISRO claimed the Mars mission cheaper than a Hollywood movie without counting the cost incurred but not invoiced by NASA

Overall we rely an overwhelmingly lot on ourselves than Indian's missions

You even dont have the heavy lift rocket without Russia's help:
The Space Review: GSLV-D5 success: A major “booster” to India’s space program

A lot of equipment in your Chandrayaan-1 were not Indian made
Chandrayaan-1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A lot is not completely. Both China and India rely on other nations for support. Again its a collaborative thing, space is a frontier for human collaboration. See your upcoming lander mission will take the exactly the same kind of help from ESA and others as mangalyaan did. Are you guys being charged for that? I dont think so.

Chang'e 3 ready to launch to the Moon | The Planetary Society

Chang’e-3 liftoff is set for around 18:00 GMT on 1 December, and the 15 m-diameter dish in Kourou will pick up the first signals around 18:44 GMT.

ESA's Estrack tracking station control room at ESOC, the European Space Operations Centre, Working with Chinese tracking stations, Kourou will support the mission through lunar orbit entry on 6 December continuing until just prior to its descent to the surface, expected around mid-day on 14 December.

The landing and rover operations on the Moon will be commanded via two Chinese tracking stations at Kashi, in the far west of China, and at Jiamusi, in the northeast.

“After the lander and rover are on the surface, we will use our 35 m-diameter deep-space antennas at Cebreros, Spain, and New Norcia, Australia, to provide ‘delta-DOR’ location measurement,” says Erik Soerensen, responsible for external mission tracking support at ESOC.

“Using this delta-DOR technique, you can compute locations with extreme accuracy, which will help our Chinese colleagues to determine the precise location of the lander.”

Together with Cebreros, New Norcia will record Chang’e-3’s radio signals during landing, which will help the Chinese space agency to reconstruct the trajectory for future reference.

A team of engineers from China will be on hand in Darmstadt. “While we’re very international at ESOC, hardly anyone speaks Mandarin, so having Chinese colleagues on site will really help in case of any unforeseen problems,” says Erik.

“Both sides are using international technical standards to enable our stations and ESOC to communicate with their mission and ground systems."
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Also in past they helped you. See this:
Chang'e-1 - eoPortal Directory - Satellite Missions

ESA tracking support for the Chang'e-1 mission:

The People's Republic of China and ESA have a long history of scientific collaboration. The first co-operation agreement was signed in 1980, to facilitate the exchange of scientific information. Thirteen years later, the collaboration focused on a specific mission, ESA’s Cluster, to study the Earth's magnetosphere. Then, in 1997, the CNSA invited ESA to participate in Double Star, a two-satellite mission to study the Earth’s magnetic field, but from a perspective which is different from that of Cluster and complementary to it.

During ESA's SMART-1 mission, which ended in September 2006, ESA/ESOC provided China with details of the spacecraft's position and transmission frequencies so that the Chinese could test their tracking stations and ground operation procedures by following it - a part of their preparation for Chang'e-1. 25)

During the development phase of the Chang'e-1 spacecraft, ESA's ground station network ESTRACK was mobilized to provide direct support to China's Chang'e-1 moon mission. The Chang’e-1 mission was supported from the ESA ground stations in Maspalomas and Kourou. During the track on Nov. 1, 2007 for the first time, ESA tracking stations have transmitted telecommands to a Chinese satellite. 26) 27)

This was the culmination of a long preparation performed by BACC (Beijing Aerospace Control Center) and ESOC (European Space Operations Center) that started nearly two years before the launch, where a Chinese delegation visited ESOC in 2005 to explore the possibilities for ESOC to provide tracking support to Chang’e-1. Following detailed discussions on the support ESOC and BACC agreed in February 2006 on a contract to provide the required support.

Following the agreement on the cooperation, ESOC and BACC were faced with the problem of connecting two systems: the BACC missions control system and the ESOC ground station network ESTRACK; this had to happen within the relative short period of one year. The ESOC proposal to BACC was based on ESOC’s model for providing cross support to other agencies such as NASA and JAXA and the proposal from ESOC was to provide the Chang’e-1 support based on CCSDS standards and therefore to provide systems interoperability without modifying the BACC system and the ESOC system. This model hides the implementation on both sides and only defines the interfaces needed to be support on both sides. To measure the success of this the project used the connect of verification and validation.