The Great Game Changer: Belt and Road Intiative (BRI; OBOR)
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My take is that the J-20 will be a better product than the MIG-25.
When I was on the F-16, I attended a technical presentation where we saw the MIG-25's technical information and analyses from 1976. Essentially, the MIG-25 was, and still is, a 'piece of shit', as how a few engineers put it 40 yrs ago. This has nothing to do with Western bigotry against anyone. If there is a redeeming capability, it would be the engines and even that is being generous since the engines had to be practically rebuilt if the jet went over 80% in a single sortie. On the F-16, if the jet went Mach, all we do is perform a few extra tests on the oil sample, which is taken after every flight anyway. Not even the SR-71 required engine rebuilt after Mach.
The J-20 may have its own myths and exaggerations, but that is no different than any other aircraft out there. I can be impressed negatively (MIG-25) or positively (F-16). If we ever get a technical glimpse of the J-20, we will be positively impressed by the Chinese.
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We recognize that every model design of China has impressive specs...
In paper.
Even their J10, J15 model are suffering many accidents recently.
And actually, many models operate underpowered as J31, J20, Y20,...
In paper.
Even their J10, J15 model are suffering many accidents recently.
And actually, many models operate underpowered as J31, J20, Y20,...
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its depend on maintenance and also not forget pilot error, birds strike and lots more reason not for faulty air frame, wait 2 or 3 year and than picture will change totally J-20 with WS-15, J-31 with WS-13E and Y-20 with WS-20
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Do you know how many year China need to make domestic engine for J10 ? They designed it with promising WS10, but more than 10 years passed, still there is no firm evidence that domestic engines replaced Russian ones
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yes engine is weak point for china its your belief that you don't belief the fact that WS-10 is real, WS-10 program as old as J-10 program and remember that China is just entered turbofan manufacturing capability, it will takes time to mature that technology, with a current phase of China that technology is already matures and going toward big project like Ws-15, WS-13E and WS-20
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At its stable performance, WS10 at Al31 leverage. But not now.
Again, what is WS20? Why you are so sure about what you never seen? Al31FN is what we saw powering J20
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Again, not AL-31FN, I am not buying what Deino said.
That silver nozzled engine is clearly not AL-31FN.
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you can't close your eyes that in fact WS-10 is real if you are not blind even Jane's defense weekly, global-security, aviation week and other respected aviation sites is stated that WS-10 is real and out of trouble and mature enough to equip J-10B, C and J-11 series, future engine for Y-20 which uses WS-10 core, and yes in current form J-20 uses AL-31FN or may be WS-10G or WS-10T but future of J-20 is with WS-15 thats for sure
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That's right, the B model of the J-20 will be in its 100%.
We shall see the first prototype of the B model by 2017.
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Again why so sure? Which future? Did WS15 exist?
What is J20B, ever existed?
What you guys did here is posting doubtful things about F35 the existed one, but persuade others to believe on some things never existed.
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Yes, just ignore him.
400 + ws10 ,till to 2015,12, have been supplied to PLAA, according the report from AVIC.
http://www.avic.com/cn/cxyfz/shzl/shzlbg/index.shtml
http://www.avic.com/en/index.shtml
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International trade corridor tested
Updated: 2016-08-19 07:55
By Luo Wangshu(China Daily)
A pilot route to simplify international freight transportation across China, Mongolia and Russia hit the road in Tianjin on Thursday, aiming to boost economic cooperation and trade between the countries.
"The pilot trip is an effective trial to carry out the nations' top strategic plans in the transportation field, and also a move to deepen economic cooperation in the economic corridor through China, Mongolia and Russia," said Liu Xiaoming, vice-minister of transportation, adding that the pilot trip will coordinate freight transportation policies and standards in the economic corridor, aiming to simplify freight transport procedures along the route.
In July, China joined the TIR Convention, an international system allowing transportation of authorized goods through member states without being subject to customs inspections. It takes effect on Jan 5. Russia and Mongolia are already TIR member countries.
The estimated seven-day trip covering 2,152 kilometers will stop at 11 cities, including China's border city Erenhot, Mongolia's capital Ulaanbaatar and Russia's Ulan-Ude.
A total of nine trucks are participating in the trip - three each from China, Mongolia and Russia.
"It will be a milestone in our trilateral transportation," Liu said.
The route links China's One Belt, One Road initiative with Mongolia's Prairie Road program and Russia's transcontinental rail plan.
"The new route will open the Mongolian and Russian markets for us. For example, when the route opens, high value-added products such as electronic products and tropical fruits can be transported by road from South China, and even Southeast Asian countries, to Mongolia and Russia," said Guo Xin, general manager of Nanjing Xinjinhang Logistic Co, which is participating in the pilot.
"Air cargo is very expensive. Now electronic products from Samsung and Huawei are usually sent to Mongolia and Russia by plane. If the road corridor opens, it would be a more cost-effective alternative," Guo said, adding that the cost of road transportation is about one-tenth of air transportation.
"One truck carrying about 20 metric tons of freight from South China's Guangxi GuangxiZhuang autonomous region to Russia costs about $4,000. But air cargo is calculated by the kilo," Guo said.
China signed road freight agreements with Mongolia in 1991 and Russia in 1992.
Last year, 3.7 million passengers and 24.6 trillion kilo-grams of freight were transported between China and the two countries.
In 2014, President Xi Jinping proposed a China-Mongolia-Russia economic corridor. Details were dis-cussed by the presidents of China, Mongolia and Russia, aiming at strengthening regional ties and boosting trade.
Updated: 2016-08-19 07:55
By Luo Wangshu(China Daily)
A pilot route to simplify international freight transportation across China, Mongolia and Russia hit the road in Tianjin on Thursday, aiming to boost economic cooperation and trade between the countries.
"The pilot trip is an effective trial to carry out the nations' top strategic plans in the transportation field, and also a move to deepen economic cooperation in the economic corridor through China, Mongolia and Russia," said Liu Xiaoming, vice-minister of transportation, adding that the pilot trip will coordinate freight transportation policies and standards in the economic corridor, aiming to simplify freight transport procedures along the route.
In July, China joined the TIR Convention, an international system allowing transportation of authorized goods through member states without being subject to customs inspections. It takes effect on Jan 5. Russia and Mongolia are already TIR member countries.
The estimated seven-day trip covering 2,152 kilometers will stop at 11 cities, including China's border city Erenhot, Mongolia's capital Ulaanbaatar and Russia's Ulan-Ude.
A total of nine trucks are participating in the trip - three each from China, Mongolia and Russia.
"It will be a milestone in our trilateral transportation," Liu said.
The route links China's One Belt, One Road initiative with Mongolia's Prairie Road program and Russia's transcontinental rail plan.
"The new route will open the Mongolian and Russian markets for us. For example, when the route opens, high value-added products such as electronic products and tropical fruits can be transported by road from South China, and even Southeast Asian countries, to Mongolia and Russia," said Guo Xin, general manager of Nanjing Xinjinhang Logistic Co, which is participating in the pilot.
"Air cargo is very expensive. Now electronic products from Samsung and Huawei are usually sent to Mongolia and Russia by plane. If the road corridor opens, it would be a more cost-effective alternative," Guo said, adding that the cost of road transportation is about one-tenth of air transportation.
"One truck carrying about 20 metric tons of freight from South China's Guangxi GuangxiZhuang autonomous region to Russia costs about $4,000. But air cargo is calculated by the kilo," Guo said.
China signed road freight agreements with Mongolia in 1991 and Russia in 1992.
Last year, 3.7 million passengers and 24.6 trillion kilo-grams of freight were transported between China and the two countries.
In 2014, President Xi Jinping proposed a China-Mongolia-Russia economic corridor. Details were dis-cussed by the presidents of China, Mongolia and Russia, aiming at strengthening regional ties and boosting trade.
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Central Asia freight train service starts
Source:Xinhua | 2016-08-25
A railway worker gets on the first Central Asia cargo train in Nantong, east China's Jiangsu Province, Aug. 25, 2016. The cargo train left Nantong on Thursday for Afghanistan's Hairatan, marking the start of Central Asia freight train service. (Xinhua/Ji Chunpeng)
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Source:Xinhua | 2016-08-25
A railway worker gets on the first Central Asia cargo train in Nantong, east China's Jiangsu Province, Aug. 25, 2016. The cargo train left Nantong on Thursday for Afghanistan's Hairatan, marking the start of Central Asia freight train service. (Xinhua/Ji Chunpeng)
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Belt and Road: Singapore’s new growth track?
Article 03/08/2016
Nomita Nair, Junwei Lu on 03/08/2016
Summary: Singapore has been one of the earliest supporters of the Belt & Road initiative, recognising its enormous potential. Being strategically located along the maritime Silk Road, the Belt & Road initiative is expected to unlock untapped regions across Central Asia, creating new trade and investment for Singaporean companies. In particular, Singapore's well established logistics and infrastructure sectors are expected to reap the benefits.
The One Belt One Road initiative has a short name with a big ambition. Announced in late 2013, it aims to promote connectivity and cooperation among countries primarily in the Eurasia region through the maritime Silk Road and the land-based Silk Road Economic Belt.
The strategic proposal - now formally referred to as the Belt and Road initiative - is also part of China's strategy to secure its status and influence as one of the world's most powerful economies. President Xi Jinping set his mind on the Belt and Road initiative, just as he did on his well-known anti-corruption efforts. While not short of detractors and sceptics, it is difficult to ignore the general support and enthusiasm generated in both public and private sectors, and the general consensus that the Belt and Road initiative has built impressive momentum.
The benefits of China's initiative are clear for the Asean region. With economic growth slowing in the region and a clear need for infrastructure development, governments across Asia have the opportunity to boost infrastructure spending and improve reputations through Belt and Road. However, as a nation state with some of the world's most advanced infrastructure and an already sophisticated port and transportation system linking to its neighbours, where do the opportunities for Singapore lie?
Singapore was one of the earliest supporters of the Belt and Road initiative, recognising its magnitude and enormous potential. Being strategically located along the maritime Silk Road, the Belt and Road initiative is expected to unlock untapped regions, namely Central Asia, creating new trade and investment for Singapore companies. In particular, Singapore's well established logistics and infrastructure sectors are expected to reap benefits from the Belt and Road initiative. Singapore has a strong pool of local companies with wide-ranging infrastructure capabilities, from power, water to transport management. These companies' familiarity with doing business in Asia also makes them excellent partners for Chinese companies to explore infrastructure projects and market opportunities in the region. The establishment of the Asean Economic Community in December 2015 is also expected to multiply the benefits of the Belt and Road initiative even further. Singapore is the country coordinator for Asean-China dialogue relations, with a remit to hold this role for the next three years. This will enhance Singapore's super connector role, particularly as Belt and Road links China with its South-east Asian neighbours.
In addition, as one of the region's leading financial and professional services hubs, there are multiple areas for Singapore to capitalise on. For instance, Singapore is a world leader for offshore RMB exchange, alongside Hong Kong, and this creates natural synergies for China-linked financings. Signs of this already happening can be seen from Singapore signing memoranda of understanding with Industrial and Commercial Bank of China Limited, China Construction Bank and Bank of China to bring more than S$90 billion worth of financing for Belt and Road projects to the table. Professional services firms are also poised to capitalise on the significant opportunities in advising both Singapore-based and foreign enterprises as they expand into the region. The Belt and Road initiative is not without its challenges. To succeed, it requires a combination of huge financial clout, cutting-edge technical acumen and the ability to implement projects in a region with very diverse cultures, religions, languages and political systems. Deng Xiaoping once said: "Learn from all countries in the world. And most of all learn from Singapore." Singapore still has much to offer China in this regard and the Belt and Road initiative will certainly lead to even deeper ties between these two countries.
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Article 03/08/2016
Nomita Nair, Junwei Lu on 03/08/2016
Summary: Singapore has been one of the earliest supporters of the Belt & Road initiative, recognising its enormous potential. Being strategically located along the maritime Silk Road, the Belt & Road initiative is expected to unlock untapped regions across Central Asia, creating new trade and investment for Singaporean companies. In particular, Singapore's well established logistics and infrastructure sectors are expected to reap the benefits.
The One Belt One Road initiative has a short name with a big ambition. Announced in late 2013, it aims to promote connectivity and cooperation among countries primarily in the Eurasia region through the maritime Silk Road and the land-based Silk Road Economic Belt.
The strategic proposal - now formally referred to as the Belt and Road initiative - is also part of China's strategy to secure its status and influence as one of the world's most powerful economies. President Xi Jinping set his mind on the Belt and Road initiative, just as he did on his well-known anti-corruption efforts. While not short of detractors and sceptics, it is difficult to ignore the general support and enthusiasm generated in both public and private sectors, and the general consensus that the Belt and Road initiative has built impressive momentum.
The benefits of China's initiative are clear for the Asean region. With economic growth slowing in the region and a clear need for infrastructure development, governments across Asia have the opportunity to boost infrastructure spending and improve reputations through Belt and Road. However, as a nation state with some of the world's most advanced infrastructure and an already sophisticated port and transportation system linking to its neighbours, where do the opportunities for Singapore lie?
Singapore was one of the earliest supporters of the Belt and Road initiative, recognising its magnitude and enormous potential. Being strategically located along the maritime Silk Road, the Belt and Road initiative is expected to unlock untapped regions, namely Central Asia, creating new trade and investment for Singapore companies. In particular, Singapore's well established logistics and infrastructure sectors are expected to reap benefits from the Belt and Road initiative. Singapore has a strong pool of local companies with wide-ranging infrastructure capabilities, from power, water to transport management. These companies' familiarity with doing business in Asia also makes them excellent partners for Chinese companies to explore infrastructure projects and market opportunities in the region. The establishment of the Asean Economic Community in December 2015 is also expected to multiply the benefits of the Belt and Road initiative even further. Singapore is the country coordinator for Asean-China dialogue relations, with a remit to hold this role for the next three years. This will enhance Singapore's super connector role, particularly as Belt and Road links China with its South-east Asian neighbours.
In addition, as one of the region's leading financial and professional services hubs, there are multiple areas for Singapore to capitalise on. For instance, Singapore is a world leader for offshore RMB exchange, alongside Hong Kong, and this creates natural synergies for China-linked financings. Signs of this already happening can be seen from Singapore signing memoranda of understanding with Industrial and Commercial Bank of China Limited, China Construction Bank and Bank of China to bring more than S$90 billion worth of financing for Belt and Road projects to the table. Professional services firms are also poised to capitalise on the significant opportunities in advising both Singapore-based and foreign enterprises as they expand into the region. The Belt and Road initiative is not without its challenges. To succeed, it requires a combination of huge financial clout, cutting-edge technical acumen and the ability to implement projects in a region with very diverse cultures, religions, languages and political systems. Deng Xiaoping once said: "Learn from all countries in the world. And most of all learn from Singapore." Singapore still has much to offer China in this regard and the Belt and Road initiative will certainly lead to even deeper ties between these two countries.
@Mista , @Shotgunner51
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