The Future of Kashmir? "Seven" Possible Solutions!

[kak1978]

FUTURE: Jammu and Kashmir is an integral part of the Indian union, period. Eventually LOC will become international border. Whoever tries to create a disturbance in Kashmir or in any other part of India are enemies of the state and will be dealt with accordingly. Whatever pakistan or pakistani media is writing about the aspirations of kashmiris are pure "crocodile tears".

 

[Dance]

FUTURE: Jammu and Kashmir is an integral part of the Indian union, period. Eventually LOC will become international border. Whoever tries to create a disturbance in Kashmir or in any other part of India are enemies of the state and will be dealt with accordingly.

Yeah only integral according to you, not to the world. It's a disputed territory.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

FUTURE: Jammu and Kashmir is an integral part of the Indian union, period. Eventually LOC will become international border. Whoever tries to create a disturbance in Kashmir or in any other part of India are enemies of the state and will be dealt with accordingly.

yes Kashmiri civilians are being beaten, shot and arrested...

thanks for your input

 

[amit27]

Pakistan who created the jihadis to cause havoc in the valley and the actions of some Indian soldiers who commited war crimes on the Kashmiri people has not helped settle this ongoing dispute. The only solution is for pakistan to close the terror camps in *** and India to make Kashmir demilitarized this will pave the way to open up the LOC so borders become irrelevent.

 

[ejaz007]

YouTube generation defines new struggle in IHK

*Facebook, YouTube have provided Kashmiri youth with a platform to convey their aspirations, frustrations to the world
* Former militant commander Mir warns that New Delhi’s hardline response could turn today’s frustrated stone-throwers into new recruits for severely weakened insurgency

SRINAGAR: For six weeks, hundreds of young Kashmiris like 17-year-old Amjad Khan have taken to the streets to pelt stones at Indian security forces.

“I have taken to stone-throwing to show my anger, my hatred at the present state of affairs,” says the softly spoken Khan (name changed), as he stands in one of Srinagar’s narrow back streets.

The son of a government employee father, who disapproves of his behaviour, Khan is dressed casually in jeans and a t-shirt and has his hair gelled in a style familiar from Bollywood films.

He says he is not a particularly devout Muslim and attends Friday prayers only to be able to join the regular protests that take place afterwards, denouncing Indian rule in the territory.

Born during the insurgency like most of the under-20 protestors — tech-savvy Internet users who are harnessing Facebook and YouTube to highlight their struggle — he has known nothing but violence and turmoil in Kashmir.

“Why should this problem linger on if so many other problems have been resolved?” he asks.

Platform: So far, the young men on the streets are gun-less. Their weapons of choice are stones and the Internet, with Facebook and YouTube key parts of their struggle.

“Facebook and YouTube have provided us a platform to convey our aspirations and frustrations to the world,” says Showket Ahmed, 24, who captures events on his mobile phone camera and later uploads them on Facebook.

Warns: But former militant commander Javed Mir warns that New Delhi’s hardline response could turn today’s frustrated stone-throwers into new recruits for the severely weakened insurgency.

“Before the launch of the insurgency, I and my friends used to indulge in stone-pelting with the aim of highlighting the Kashmir issue, but we failed,” said Mir, now a separatist campaigner.

“Finally we took to guns and succeeded in bringing Kashmir out of the cold storage. If present protests are ignored, these young men may be forced to follow our path, ” he added.

The government in New Delhi has tried to paint the protests as the work of shadowy Pakistani extremists, but many local leaders believe the underlying reason is despair among the young generation about their prospects.

There are over 400,000 unemployed young people across the state and decades of on-off political dialogue about the status of the disputed territory have yielded few rewards and no end to the deadlock.

“The single largest factor today is that people don’t see the light at the end of the dark tunnel they were hoping to see,” Indian-held Kashmir Chief Minister Omar Abdullah, admitted on Indian news channel NDTV earlier this month.

“Until we resolve it politically, we will always have problems”, he said.

Indian Army chief General VK Singh said last month that the battle against anti-India insurgents had been more or less won, but people needed to feel that progress was being made to improve their lives.

In New Delhi, Indian Home Minister P Chidambaram has pushed the notion that the protests are being orchestrated by militant groups and Pakistan.

Others have suggested the protesters are being paid by hardline separatists, a theory that has been widely challenged, even among pro-India politicians in Kashmir.

“Linking the genuine anger and anguish among people with terrorism is nothing short of an assault on their self respect and dignity,” said former chief minister Mufti Sayeed of the pro-India People’s Democratic Party.

Mehboob Beigh, who is close to chief minister Abdullah and advocates autonomy in the region, agrees.

Political alienation of Kashmiris is the larger issue,” he said. “Our youth want to be heard. New Delhi should listen to them with compassion and sincerity or we may soon see another cycle of violence.” afp

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Pakistan who created the jihadis to cause havoc in the valley and the actions of some Indian soldiers who commited war crimes on the Kashmiri people has not helped settle this ongoing dispute. The only solution is for pakistan to close the terror camps in *** and India to make Kashmir demilitarized this will pave the way to open up the LOC so borders become irrelevent.

indians must get out of their denial and realize that Kashmiri seperatism is a Kashmiri phenomenon

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Only practical solution is making loc the IB. Or else for a plebiscite pakistan needs to recall all illegal settlers form ***,take back the land gifted to china and start withdrawing army then there is chance but it is highly impossible.

 

[somebozo]

Only practical solution is making loc the IB. Or else for a plebiscite pakistan needs to recall all illegal settlers form ***,take back the land gifted to china and start withdrawing army then there is chance but it is highly impossible.

Give it some time and kashmris will eventually win. The Bosnian did, Kosovars did it and Bengalis did it and Pakistanis did it.

 

[RollingStones]

Give it some time and kashmris will eventually win. The Bosnian did, Kosovars did it and Bengalis did it and Pakistanis did it.

To me, dividing people on outdated religious concepts is a ridiculous thing. If Kashmiris want freedom because they are Muslims, I cant see myself supporting that cause. Unlike Tibet, where religion is not the reason they are seeking autonomy, Kashmir wants freedom for religious purposes. I doubt if Kashmiris will get any support from the world for that kind of division. I am dead against dividing people based on religion. What I do support, however is doing the following:

- merging the countries of India, pakistan, bangladesh, nepal, bhutan into one Union called the South Asian Union
- have a federal structure to govern the various States in this Union
- adopt a US style parliamentary structure - 2 senators per State regardless of the size and population of the State. And then a House of Representatives that does represent the size of States. Adopt legislative processes just like in the US to pass laws.
- adopt voting processes where the Chief Executive of the country is directly elected by people.
- encourage true movement of labor between States
- completely separate religion from affairs of the State and enforce the law like there's no tomorrow

Kashmir can probably be a separate State in this geographical entity and enjoy whatever freedom they want subject only to federal control for certain matters.

I cannot understand any other type of Freedom that Kashmiris would want. I dont understand what is that Kashmiris exactly want? What is freedom - freedom to do what? You cannot keep on shouting freedom - you have to say freedom to do what?

 

[ejaz007]

To me, dividing people on outdated religious concepts is a ridiculous thing. If Kashmiris want freedom because they are Muslims, I cant see myself supporting that cause. Unlike Tibet, where religion is not the reason they are seeking autonomy, Kashmir wants freedom for religious purposes. I doubt if Kashmiris will get any support from the world for that kind of division. I am dead against dividing people based on religion. What I do support, however is doing the following:

- merging the countries of India, pakistan, bangladesh, nepal, bhutan into one Union called the South Asian Union
- have a federal structure to govern the various States in this Union
- adopt a US style parliamentary structure - 2 senators per State regardless of the size and population of the State. And then a House of Representatives that does represent the size of States. Adopt legislative processes just like in the US to pass laws.
- adopt voting processes where the Chief Executive of the country is directly elected by people.
- encourage true movement of labor between States
- completely separate religion from affairs of the State and enforce the law like there's no tomorrow

Kashmir can probably be a separate State in this geographical entity and enjoy whatever freedom they want subject only to federal control for certain matters.

I cannot understand any other type of Freedom that Kashmiris would want. I dont understand what is that Kashmiris exactly want? What is freedom - freedom to do what? You cannot keep on shouting freedom - you have to say freedom to do what?

You do not know the value of freedom because you never lived under a foreign occupation. I suggest you go to Indian occupied Kashmir live there for six months and then you shall understand what Kashmiris want.

I bet you shall be one of the protester hurling stones at Indian army or one with an AK on his shoulder.

Do not try to divide Kashmir on the basis of religion. No one on this forum or elsewhere wants freedom just for muslim Kashmir. We want freedom for Kashmir regardless of religion.

 

[ejaz007]

Held Kashmir officers refusing ‘challenging’ assignments

* Civil and police officers have opted for modest postings that do not involve any public dealing
By Iftikhar Gilani

NEW DELHI: Indian-held Kashmir (IHK), already rocked by violence and unrest, is now facing the threat of a civil disobedience, as seven senior civil and police officers have refused to take up their duties.

A large number of officers have refused to accept challenging assignments in different districts including Srinagar, Baramulla and Kupwara and preferred being posted in relatively peaceful areas of the state. Following the killing of a youth in IHK’s Baramulla district on Monday, the state government had ordered a reshuffle in the police administration. Railways Senior Superintendent of Police (SSP) Mansoor Ahmed Untoo had been appointed the new Baramulla SSP replacing Sheikh Mehmood.

According to the sources of a Srinagar daily newspaper, Untoo was appointed the Special Branch SSP only after Ghulam Bhat refused to accept the post. Bhat’s refusal annoyed IHK Chief Minister Omar Abdullah, as Bhat was posted in the police headquarters, Srinagar. The posting of the new SSP was made after the incumbent Baramulla SSP Mehmood cited ‘heart problems’ after killing of a youth by police firing, and resigned from the post. He left for Chandigarh stating that he needed immediate ‘specialised heart treatment’. Similarly, a senior officer posted in the State Public Service Commission was transferred as deputy commissioner (DC) of Kupwara district after orders of the state cabinet but he also refused to accept his new responsibility. The incumbent Kupwara DC who had proceeded on a sick-leave, had to be airlifted to resume his duty.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

If Pakistan were so much concerned about Kashmir’s will and freedom they would have waited for a decision from Kashmir’s then raja harisingh or for a plebiscite which was common when disputes were aroused. According to my sources raja was compelled by both India and Pakistan to join their respected unions but he preferred independence which is more likely to be the choice of kashmiries. But Pakistan broke the standstill agreement with Kashmir and attacked to forcefully occupy it. This lead the raja to decide in favor of India.
And again if my sources are right its Pakistan who insisted to remove the third option of ‘independent Kashmir’ from the UN plebiscite agreement.

 

[RollingStones]

You do not know the value of freedom because you never lived under a foreign occupation. I suggest you go to Indian occupied Kashmir live there for six months and then you shall understand what Kashmiris want.

I bet you shall be one of the protester hurling stones at Indian army or one with an AK on his shoulder.

Do not try to divide Kashmir on the basis of religion. No one on this forum or elsewhere wants freedom just for muslim Kashmir. We want freedom for Kashmir regardless of religion.

If this is the case and I am not sure if Indian members agree to this, then why not have every State within India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Maldives etc. have the same set of "freedom". I still dont know what exactly this freedom is - what would Kashmiris DO freely? How is that other States of India are not clamoring for freedom if the Indian federal structure is so bad? Or, why would India single out just the region of Kashmir valley and inflict upon them untold suffering? What would they stand to gain, especially when they know that they have a huge muslim population that would want to secede from India if India treated them badly? To me, there is something unclear about what Kashmiris exactly want. What do they want to do to prosper? Are they not getting that now?

Are the solutions to problems faced by various peoples in South Asia better governance, better allocation of resources, more education, more investment, a fairer relationship between the federation and states and things like that or is it like every state wants to be "free"? Unlike China and the US, Indic peoples are not a uniform race and culture. But the question to ask broadly is: do these Indic people want to be under a federated structure or do they all want to be independent countries? If the overwhelming majority feel that the federation structure has caused more harm than benefits (like in the case of soviet union), then it stands to reason that entire South Asia be defederated into countries at the State level (what a nightmare). What I dont understand is that how can Kashmir alone be separated from the rest of South Asia and can be given "freedom", given that we are still not clear about what they want to be "free" from or what they want to be "free" to do?

 

[American Eagle]

I think folks need to slow down and understand that the so called occupation is being done by Pakistan, India, and China, who control the three parts of Kashmir.

Secondly, the Andorran Model which I have postings about on this site several times now, allows for a gradual, over many years, evolution starting with a single Kashmir Parliament.

Pragmatically over time the foreign affairs and national security controls remain with these three nations using the LOC BUT with open borders to improve commerce, trade, and travel freely for one and all.

Problems remain over hateful religious zealotry among some Paksitanis and some Indians, but the Chinese have specialized in suppressing all religions, a different stance vs. both Pakitan and India.

There will be no quick fix and those who think otherwise are living a dilusion.

 

[ejaz007]

I think folks need to slow down and understand that the so called occupation is being done by Pakistan, India, and China, who control the three parts of Kashmir.

Secondly, the Andorran Model which I have postings about on this site several times now, allows for a gradual, over many years, evolution starting with a single Kashmir Parliament.

Pragmatically over time the foreign affairs and national security controls remain with these three nations using the LOC BUT with open borders to improve commerce, trade, and travel freely for one and all.

Problems remain over hateful religious zealotry among some Paksitanis and some Indians, but the Chinese have specialized in suppressing all religions, a different stance vs. both Pakitan and India.

There will be no quick fix and those who think otherwise are living a dilusion.

What you have stated is technically not correct.

The part of Kashmir on Pakistani side is not administered or controlled by Pakistan. Azad Kashmir as it called here has its own constitution, president, prime minister and a parliament. None of the institutions of Pakistan have any say or control in Azad Kashmir except prime minister of Pakistan. Azad Kashmir has its own police and legal system. There are no protests on this side about freedom or any other issue.

The part of Kashmir leased to China is with a condition that the final settlement shall be agreed by the government that represents Kashmiris once the issue has been settled. They can if desired cancel the deal and reclaim the part.

The part of Kashmir on the Indian side is the one that has its issues with India. The people their daily risk their lifes protesting against India and getting killed by the Indian security forces.

The matter is before UN and should be settled according to the UN resolution.