The Future of Kashmir? "Seven" Possible Solutions!

[desiman]

lol we are still at it in this thread, this argument is endless folks.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

in other words 'terrorism.'

if that's how you interpret it, then fine

 

[amit27]

Panun Kashmir: A Homeland for Kashmiri Pandits


Besides being a struggle for survival as a cultural entity and an ancient race, PANUN KASHMIR is a movement for the political survival of over 700,000 Kashmiri Pandits in their birthland.

 

[Reaper What You Sow]

Don't worry, the UN is waiting to Balkanize the **** out of this region once the time frame and geo-political climate and participation is right. The world isn't going to disregard how absurdly inept, uncivilized and destructive both countries have been over Kashmir. Mark my words my brown people, the world's gaze will shift to Kashmir sooner or later. It is a colossal weakness that can be used to initiate a chain reaction of events for the clever and patient.

 

[amit27]

Don't worry, the UN is waiting to Balkanize the **** out of this region once the time frame and geo-political climate and participation is right. The world isn't going to disregard how absurdly inept, uncivilized and destructive both countries have been over Kashmir. Mark my words my brown people, the world's gaze will shift to Kashmir sooner or later. It is a colossal weakness that can be used to initiate a chain reaction of events for the clever and patient.

Says who you? do u know the power of the Indian community in UK, USA, Canada we even stopped Germany banning the Swastika in the EU. Go google the Indian lobby in USA first b4 making retarded comments the US has said Kashmir is internal matter of India and Pakistan end of matter.

 

[Reaper What You Sow]

Says who you? do u know the power of the Indian community in UK, USA, Canada we even stopped Germany banning the Swastika in the EU. Go google the Indian lobby in USA first b4 making retarded comments the US has said Kashmir is internal matter of India and Pakistan end of matter.

The power of the Indian community, however newly acquired, means little when big moves go down. All I am saying is, give war a chance. The world will never let Pakistan and India settle this amongst themselves, that's quite archaic of a notion.

 

[amit27]

The power of the Indian community, however newly acquired, means little when big moves go down. All I am saying is, give war a chance. The world will never let Pakistan and India settle this amongst themselves, that's quite archaic of a notion.

Are u a total walley? when the conservative party came to power in UK their manifesto stated that they wanted a new special relationship with India.

David Cameron will lead a senior cabinet delegation to New Delhi later this month to build a new "special relationship" with India in an attempt to boost trade.

Ministers to build a new 'special relationship' with India - Telegraph

Now why did US State Department’s deputy spokesman Mark Tone also told journalists that the current situation in Indian occupied Kashmir was India’s internal issue and asked protesters to conduct agitations in a peaceful manner.

“We always support dialogue between India and Pakistan,” Mr Toner said when asked if Kashmir should be discussed between the two countries.

“We regret the loss of life in this incident. It is an internal Indian matter. We respect the efforts of the government of India to investigate and resolve the current situation in Kashmir,” he said, adding that the United States had always encouraged India and Pakistan to resolve all its differences through dialogue.

USA and Uk care more about trade and not hurting Indian feelings when it comes to Kashmir, USA wants to win the MRCA deal and this will be on the agenda when Obama visits in November.

 

[EjazR]

nothing personal....

they just want freedom and right to self-determination --free of intimidation and constant siege by indian forces.

Well who decides how mcuh freedom they have? How do we quantify? If you look at independant organisations like UNHCR, it declare Indian J&K as partly free while Pakistani side as not free with reasons stated among others that there is no politcal freedom.

Similarly if you look at the freedomhouse compilations since 2002. Indian J&K was having more freedom according to them than Pakistan atleast till 2008. Post 2008, Indian &K is still considered according to them to have more freedom than the Pakistani side including gilgit Baltistan.

You can check that out here.
freedomhouse.org: Map of Freedom in the World

Not understanding that the valley is a part of the entire J&K state not the whole. They also are not representative of all the Muslims even.


I wouldn't take the poll as accurate as the sample size is too small and consists of Srinagar only. You have to take the entire valley and you need atleast a 1000 people carefully selected to get some sort of accurate sample for a 3-4 million population in the valley. And more still if you want to representation from Jammu and Ladakh as well

 

[ejaz007]

One killed as security forces open fire at IHK protesters

SRINAGAR: A man was killed on Monday when security forces opened fire at protesters in Indian-held Kashmir, said the police. This is yet another in a string of deaths that have sparked huge anti-India demonstrations.

The killing took place in Baramulla, a town north of Srinagar, the summer capital of Muslim-majority Indian Kashmir where separatists have been fighting for the past two decades.

“Police had to open fire after baton charges and teargas shelling failed to disperse the protesters,” a police officer told AFP. Police said 13 others were injured in the firing and in the stampede that followed as demonstrators scrambled to get away.

Indian officials described the demonstration as violent but residents insisted it was peaceful. The slogans were for freedom. The police have been unable to identify the victim but said he was “a young man”.

Anti-India demonstrations have escalated sharply in Indian-held Kashmir since June 11 when police killed a 17-year-old boy, a bystander at a protest held against New Delhi’s rule.

Each death since June 11 has triggered a fresh wave of protests that has brought thousands into the streets, and general strikes. Indian authorities have normally responded with strict curfews although none had been declared late on Monday.

Separatists have been campaigning since 1989 for Kashmir to either obtain independence or join Pakistan. afp

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

 

[ejaz007]

in other words 'terrorism.'

In other words freedom fighters waging a war against Indian state terrorism.

 

[ejaz007]

Indian police threatening Facebook users in IHK

SRINAGAR: Coalition of Civil Society, a leading human rights group working in Indian-held Kashmir, has said that users of popular social networking website Facebook are being intimidated by police for uploading images of ongoing deadly protests in the state. Young Kashmiris have been uploading photos and videos on social networking site Facebook and video-sharing sites like YouTube. Coalition of Civil Society coordinator Khurram Parvez said some Facebook users had been asked to report to police stations as a consequence. “It is intimidation, nothing else,” he said. “The protests even on virtual spaces are not being tolerated,” he said. The police denied summoning anyone. A young Kashmiri said he had deactivated his account under police pressure. He did not give his name out of fear of reprisals. afp

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

 

[Dance]

Indian police threatening Facebook users in IHK

SRINAGAR: Coalition of Civil Society, a leading human rights group working in Indian-held Kashmir, has said that users of popular social networking website Facebook are being intimidated by police for uploading images of ongoing deadly protests in the state. Young Kashmiris have been uploading photos and videos on social networking site Facebook and video-sharing sites like YouTube. Coalition of Civil Society coordinator Khurram Parvez said some Facebook users had been asked to report to police stations as a consequence. “It is intimidation, nothing else,” he said. “The protests even on virtual spaces are not being tolerated,” he said. The police denied summoning anyone. A young Kashmiri said he had deactivated his account under police pressure. He did not give his name out of fear of reprisals. afp

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

This is the so called "worlds biggest democracy"

 

[ejaz007]

India clamps curfew in occupied Kashmir
Updated at: 1245 PST, Wednesday, July 21, 2010

SRINAGAR: In occupied Kashmir, curfew and restrictions were imposed at many places across the Kashmir Valley, today, to prevent protests against Indian state terrorism and continued killing of civilians by Indian paramilitary troopers in the territory.

Curfew has been imposed in Srinagar, Sopore and Baramulla, while restrictions and shutdown in other cities and town of the occupied territory. “The restrictions are also being strictly enforced in Batmallo and Shaheedgunj areas of Srinagar city,” said a police officer.

The forum patronised by senior Kashmiri Hurriyet leader, Syed Ali Gilani called for sit-ins and protests across the Kashmir Valley demanding the release of hundreds of illegally detained Hurriyet leaders and activists, including ailing leader, Syed Ali Gilani. The protests are part of the ‘ Go India go and Quit Kashmir’ programme.

Educational institutions, shops, post offices, banks, public transport and other business establishments were closed in areas under restrictions and curfew.

Police and Central Reserve Police Force troopers have been deployed in the areas under curfew and official restrictions to disallow any pedestrian and traffic movement there.

The valley has been under curfew and restrictions for more than a month due to killing of civilians including young boys and a girl by police and paramilitary forces indiscriminate firings since June 11.

India clamps curfew in occupied Kashmir

 

[RollingStones]

Not sure if this is relevant here, but here's an article of interest:

India state-run banks 'turn away Muslims'
By Sanjoy Majumder
BBC News, Delhi

Muslims make up India's largest minority community
State-owned banks in India have been accused of discriminating against the country's Muslim minority.

India's minorities watchdog has received a record number of complaints from Muslims who say they have been prevented from opening bank accounts.

India's Muslim community is among the poorest in the country.

Some bankers say it is not so much their religious background, but their economic status that makes it hard for Muslims to get banking facilities.

The National Commission of Minorities says that there has been a 100% increase in the number of complaints it has received over the past year from Muslims who say they are being prevented from opening accounts in state-run banks.

Reports say the worst case took place in the southern state of Andhra Pradesh, where some 90,000 Muslim students were unable to open accounts to deposit scholarship cheques given to them by the government.

Official reports frequently put Muslims at the bottom of India's social and economic ladder - even beneath than low-caste Hindus.

Their economic status means they are often excluded by private banks, which prefer more well-to-do clients.

Already a number of reports have suggested that India's Muslims fare poorly when it comes to getting access to quality education or employment opportunities.

This latest finding will add more pressure on a government which is seen as doing very little for the country's largest minority group.

BBC News - India state-run banks 'turn away Muslims'

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Options Available on Kashmir​

The Kashmiris as stakeholder must be the principal beneficiaries of any eventful outcome. Indo-Pakistan relations are a testimony to the fact that without resolving the core issue of Jammu and Kashmir, confidence building measures and improvement of relations would prove to be fragile and short-lived.

The Indian Army Chief on his visit to India-held Kashmir said that the Indian army failed to administer a good rule and build confidence among the people, forces and the government of the occupied valley, for which a political solution would be initiated to restore normalcy and stabilise the situation.

This statement clearly shows the failure of the Indian army and their policies in Kashmir. The Indian Army Chief was criticised in many circles of Indian government. On the very next day the Indian Chief tried to balance his earlier statement by terming the on-going protest in Kashmir by anti-government factions as being fuelled by Pakistan.

It is the Indian policies in Kashmir that are a cause of concern for Pakistan. India-held Kashmir is of strategic importance in the region. The US is concerned about a quick and effective resolution of the Kashmir issue to overcome tensions in the region. The Kashmir dispute cannot be resolved unless India changes its attitude and policies. Undoubtedly, the key to the dispute lies with the Indian authorities.

If the US is sincere in resolving the India-Pakistan dispute, then it should be prepared to put concerted pressure on India as well as on other parties involved.

To change India’s attitude towards accepting any reasonable proposal with regard to the future status of Kashmir would indeed be a major challenge for the American mediators and for Pakistan.

Conclusively Pakistan and India, on their own, cannot decide the future of Kashmiris, by excluding them from any such process. It is now evident that for solving the Kashmir dispute in any durable manner, a viable solution would have to include, as a sine qua non, the full support of the Kashmiri people.

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