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CMDR Evans and MCMDR Perry PROVED YOU WRONG.
Both case, the destroyer or sloop (like a frigate back in 1800s) charge ahead of the ship where Evan charge with 17 to 1 and one of them is the great YAMATO, and Perry charge with 7 to 1 odds (2 Man O War and 3 Sloop and 2 schooner), both case the commander lost their ship, but both case turn out they win the battle in the end.
AND THAT IS THE FACT.
I said you are stupid, I never said Stalin is stupid, I said Stalin is not a Tactician nor Strategist. Which mean quoting war strategy from him you may as well quote private Hitler. Prove me wrong by naming some of their Brilliant Strategy? You may as well quote yourself, which mean nothing.
Were the other factors such as: technology, strategy, experience, training, luck, are the same? Absolutely they were not!! That is where your logical failure is, got it?
CMDR Evans and MCMDR Perry do not prove me wrong, and they can't! The more quantity the bigger chance to win is absolute, if everything else is the same!
It is you who are idiot, always failed to understand and interpret things.
I and Stalin say exactly the same thing: Quantity is all quality on its own, and it refer to military power. Dont blame me if you failed to understand what I and Stalin say
lol 80 tons foods.
First, who ever is stupid enough to bring 80 tons food instead of 80 tons ammo deserved to be shot.
80 ton is fraction (only ~ 1.2%) of 7000 ton destroyer. There is no reason to it cannot bring enough ammo for skirmish sea war.
Secondly, you have no idea how navy works. You cannot have un fresh food when you are at sea, how are you going to keep 60 days food fresh? Fresh food provide the best vitamin and prevent many nautical disease, which you don't have a fully function role 3 and role 4 hospital in a ship which would be a problem, especially for diary, eggs and other protein, which you need for bodily function. Can you store 60 days worth of Dairy? Food gone bad is also a problem for the navy. Food constantly gone bad, and replacement can food would not provide enough nutrient, which mean You can last 1 or 2 days with can food, then you have to have a new supply of fresh food.
Fresh food and Navy are like hams and peas, you cannot goes with one and not the other.
The fact you don't know life at sea is appalling.
60 days of food LOL.
Hellaw ... there are various kind of canned foods, vegetable foods, vitamin tablet, supplement etc .. this is war not vacation...
If China cannot get supply of fresh food and vegetable during the trip or during the war, why should she stop from the war if she still can feed their sailor??
What a logic you are demonstrating here? such an idiotic argument.
lol, how your oiler get fuel from? Do you even know how much fuel is needed for a single ship to operate a day?
How many oiler you had?
LOL
From China herself. From where did Britts get the oil?
prove? From my Serving Relative in the Navy
2 of my relative is Navy, my father is former Navy, my cousin is active Coast Guard.
You want prove? I was on one of the Tico Cruiser for a tiger cruise some years ago and I took this
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1.) Open day will not let you go INSIDE the ship, usually a walk around. I took this picture INSIDE the hanger
2.) There are no one around, usually you would have a lot of people around if you are in an open day.
Is there enough proof?
LOLs. Whats a joke!
In forum discussion, claim has to be proved with "citation". Claim can't be proved by another claim.
If I say my uncle was US Air Force, will it make my claim become correct?
In other word => you failed to prove your claim!
Dude, did you actually what I wrote? This is what I wrote.
And lol for suggesting using commercial ship. Maybe you can siphon some fuel from the tank if you have an adaptor, but to resupply other stuff, unless you plan to carry each box from commercial ship to your navy ship, you need to open your resupply ship bulkhead for the transfer, if you do it in a commercial ship(If it can actually do it) that ship will sink to the bottom of the ocean. Most merchant ship is either container ship, which lay it on the container, how do you transfer a container from a merchant ship to a Navy ship in high sea when wave swing you around? Ever wondering why Navy need to specifically design replenishment ship for underway replenishment? Really high IQ of you.
I have already said you can refuel using merchant ship
Hot refuelling is doable if YOU HAVE THE RIGHT ADAPTOR. Because you can cable fueling with the nozzle, you just have to have the right adaptor (If that ship is American ship, it usually don't need an adapter) But you won't run them on for long because the fuel merchant ship using is different grade than navy ship. I am talking about the resupplying situation. Are you going to bring each case of mango or whatever you need them? How long does it take to load and unload every case of beer, every tray of mango, every box of supply if you need 10 to 20 tons a day and you did it tray by tray?
Have you read the citation I gave you about Canada rent commercial ship for naval replenishment?
Tell me why Canada can make it.
How did China get to Mediterranean Sea without any port in between? From your 18 replenishment ship lol?
And what is your IQ? Mine is higher than you obviously.
Explained many times already. China can use simple vessel to make her circling globe.
Have you read it?
No, can't be; your IQ should be lower than me and most of people here.
PEOPLE RESPECT ME, GAVE ME A TITLE, GAVE ME 315 POSITIVE RATING.
You get 1.
You want to look at how people see between me and you lol? REALLY?
LOLs. Logical fallacy.
Your friends giving you rating because you are bullshitting doesnt make you more credible. I am not active in this forum, while you like to boasting your self to get other people thanks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Fleet_Auxiliary
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serco_Marine_Services
Count it yourself
So your navy can eat oil to survive? Ok, I understand, good to know....LOL
58 replenishment ships my ***! only 6 replenishment vessel in the list there! You cant count?
It hard evidence that your words is untrustworthy
People choose ship according to what they need and the technology, if French is behind China a lot, country like Singapore (Which itself have a large Chinese population) or Middle Eastern Country, which is political neutral, would be buying Chinese ship instead of French Ship.
Are we talking about Armament in General or Navy?
You claim French is not peer to PLAN, prove it or BS.
You sounded like a Loser
No! Singapore tend to buy western arms based on commonality not based on same race consideration! since they have used arms from US long time ago, and Chinese technology catch up US is just recently.
This show you are fraud and have no clue about consideration in arms procurement .
Again, the Brits lost the sea war, as I listed, the Brits win the war DESPITE the naval engagement.
IF brits lost sea war, she can't land her tanks and troops on malvinas.
And lol, Pakistan? I don't think Pakistan will allow support to China in this case, do you even know how much Dealing between French and Pakistan done?
And how are you going to support Chiense fleet globally? Just because you said so? Just because you have 18 replenishment oiler?
No. Pakistan is Chinese ally, and they buy chinese arm many more; do you think they will jeopardize friendshipnes with China by forbidding China use their ports for logistic purpose.
Because THAT WAS INVOLVEMENT. Are you really that dumb?
Not military involvement you idiot.
Where did Britts get logistic supply during Falkland war?
Dude, ASAT is different, Satellite CANNOT move, you cannot move a Satellite in the space, because you move the SAT, you spin it out of orbits. and ship MOVES
And Satellite, unlike Ship did not have defence.
IS THAT YOUR IQ AGAIN?
And the ship in your gif is NOT MOVING, you can see it does not have a wake.
So, suck it.
LOLs. Satellite move!!! only doesn't change trajectory. Where did you learn physics? IQ problem again?
ICBM move, only doesn't change trajectory (if they are non maneuverable).
Ship move, and sometimes change trajectory. So do you think this matter?
How about fighter plane which move and change trajectory often?? according to your logic no supersonic AA missile can take down fighter plane? The fact says AA missile which is supersonic can take down moving fighter plane even with zero chance to escape for the fighter plane though the plane do maneuvers
Again you are demonstrating idiocy, and it confirm your physics score must have been very bad during high school .
Oh my god, you really know shit.
Let me give you a ISTAR for dummy.
Lag time come from all stage of ISTAR.
1.)Intelligence - What is your target.
2.)Surveillance - Where is your target
3.) Target Acquisition - Locking in Your Target.
4.) Reconnaissance - Where did your target goes.
Then you have fuel time, check time and flight time.
You don't just launch a missile and it will hit the carrier immediately. Its not a Fire and Forget missile. First you need a target, is the one you want to shoot is a carrier or an neutral oil tanker? You need to know whether that is your target before you shoot your missile. Then knowing which one is your target, you need to track it, and put in a coordinate for it. You then put those coordinate into your missile guidance system so your missile will fly there. Then once you put the coord into your missile, you need to keep tracking on the target. How quickly your satellite or radar contact refresh and from that refresh to where you get your information, there is a delay. And finally, a feed back from your target monitor, feedback would also come with lag time because you need to make sure that is where your target is going.
The first stage took the most lag, usually in minutes. Otherwise you will just hit anything resemble a carrier, you may or may not hit the actual carrier you want to hit in the end. Then after you secure a target, you need to calculate a trajectory. Depending on how quickly you can do it, it might takes minutes off too.
And a missile like that, all targeting information would cease when the missile is at re-entry and the onboard radar seeker take over, but at that time, you may already missed by kilometres, and in terminal velocity, you cannot manoeuvre to the target that much that fast.
Have you learned physics properly?
In simple words: lagging time happen because the time needed for "wave" to travel from the target to receiver + electronic process.
The amount of lagging time will be considerable if the "distance" between target and the receiver is quite far, and the lag time will matters if the object is very fast moving object, like supersonic fighter, or hypersonic missile or ICBM, because when your radar show the target at certain position actually it is old position due to lag time (say 5 second) while the current position is already different; but it doesnt matter for large & very slow moving object like ship as within the 5 second the ship wont go far!
This lag time can be overcomed by using radar and tracking system on board, so you wont need to depend on ground control system which is normally very far away. Thats why you still can shoot fighter jet though it run very fast
Can you do a ZigZag when you are travelling in 150 miles per hours? You can't, what make you think you can do it in Mach 4? Again, unless you are claiming Chinese missile defied physics, it CANNOT BE DONE. Fluid Dynamic suggest the quicker a object move, the more G force that item is subject to, because the earth would want to pull you back the opposite way you are going (Newton First Law). You can calculate G force from
Are you talking about missile? or man? or car?
Man can't, car will be dangerous, missile can! What make you think missile cant?
Do you know the missile target used to test SM-6 is hypersonic and maneuvered?
Have you seen the video of zigzag YJ-12 at supersonic?
The evidence is there, why denial?
(Object Speed^2/Radius of turn)/32ft/s (1G)
https://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/everyday-myths/question633.htm
At Mach 4, which is 4465 ft/s, Let's say the Radius of turn is 200 ft (Which is very wide turn, which is about 70 meters turn)
The formula is
(4465*4465/200)/32 = 3115G...…
Are you telling me, DF-whatever missle can sustain a 3000G turn?? The sea, at the lowest point, don't even give you 1000G, and it is what scientist called "Absolute Crush Depth" and you are telling me DF-26 missile can sustain that turn and endure 3115G??
And I am talking about a 100 meter turn, you zigzag 100 meter is not exactly zigzagging at all, the G number will be higher. LOL....
@gambit
So, either you are telling me Chinese missile can really sustain 3115G, otherwise you are BSing and if Chinese missile can really sustain that much G force, then that missile must have made from the strongest of the the strongest material on earth, and that did beg a question, if a missile can sustain 3115 G, how would a missile be destroy by its own explosion? LOL
LOLs. Your fallacy is at the "radius 300m". How do you know the zigzag YJ-12 is doing with radius 300m?
Since when did PopSci and Stalin is creditable source?
A Blogger wrote PopSci article you are writing to, with a Master of Information Technology. And Stalin? LOL
And what is your citation that against my PopSci & Stalin?
PopSci could be wrong, but of course it is much much much more credible by far if compared with your mouth
Real threat? Yeah, I can see that, if Chinese missile can endure 3115G., yes, I would consider them a real threat.....LOL
Hahaha ... you use your falls calculation as your citation to debunk my citation?
Rotts is correct when he is saying that you are push people to accept that black is white.
This is my citation about supersonic anti ship missile threat:
https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/united-states-supersonic-anti-ship-missile-threat
Dont compare with your mouth or your falls calculation, you are really delusional
I know the quick an object move, the harder to intercept, but can a high speed object move at all?
LOL 3115G and you are talking about IQ...
You mean maneuvers? Absolutely yes!!
Some ICBM do maneuvers (at hypersonic speed)
Supersonic fighter do maneuvers sometimes at high speed, including at supersonic speed.
Air to Air missiles : side winders, aim-120, sparrow, meteor do maneuver at supersonic speed!
Some Antiship supersonic missile like SM-6, YJ-12, YJ18 do maneuver
Satellite do maneuvers, if it change it's trajectory.
So what make you still doubt that maneuver at supersonic is unattainable?
Note:
I know your physics is very bad, but starting from now try to distinguish between "move" and "maneuver (change trajectory)". Every thing move relatively to other thing, it is relativity theory of Albert Einstein.
You do know Runway is a flat land, right? No matter how much you hit it, you can fix it almost immediately. You don't need anything to launch and recover an aircraft if you have TACP. Are you saying you have enough DF-26 to level ALL THE FLAT LAND in Guam?
Let me give you a for instant, Israel would go and bomb Egyptian Airfield with 10 sortie a day and render it useless, by night, the Egyptian would have fix the runway and launch their mig. Bombs, which do more damage than a Poitn to Point missile, did nothing, what make you think Missile can level Guam Anderson airbase beyond repair? When all they need is to level the runway again, and fill the crater.
Unless you are claim Chinese have enough missile to fire at Anderson and other Airfield 24 hours a day and 7 days a week. Otherwise you would not be able to put any airfield out of action.
By your logic, bombing airfield with sorties of B-52/Tu/B1/B2/F-16/F-18/Rafale/etc will also render useless, because the airfield and other things can be fixed again, right? but in fact all nations still do that during war right?
But the problem is: fixing airfield is not that fast, especially if it is severely damage, and if the hanger and the planes are also destroyed, then it takes longer time for replacement. Before you can recover the military base, your many of your ships may have been sunk.
And yes, china could have hundreds DF-21/DF-26 that will be enough to destroy military bases not only in Guam, but also Okinawa and Korea.
It prove you dont know much military stuff enough.
Test what? With that flatland and outline like an US Aircraft Carrier? Hey I can fire a rocket and hit a target I draw in the ground as big as a US aircraft carrier. Pay me.
Do you have any footage it being test with actual moving ship? Or at war? If not, then you got shit.
Unlike DF-whatever, Harpoon and Tomahawk is actual combat tried and tested. Can you show the same level of proof with your DF-whatever?
LOL 3115G....
China has tested supersonic YJ-12 and YJ-18 on their own moving ship and hit the target with severe damage. If it can hit chinese moving ship, it should hit any other moving ship.
Now you already know the physics that the faster the target the more difficult to intercept right?
Now the question is: has US test their ships are resistant against supersonic anti ship missiles? can their CIWS handle the supersonic missile?
lol. I am not as stupid as a guy who say a missile can sustain a 3115G turn.
anyway. I don't really think about you lot that much, if I have time, I come fuk you up, and play with you, if I don't have time, I laugh at your post and move on.
Come back to call me stupid WHEN YOU HAVE HALF OF MY POSITIVE RATING.
It is you yourself who are saying the missile do 3115G turn. So you are the stupid guy here
Come back to me when you already have data and a little bit smarter
Dumbass. My family have been serving ALL BRANCH of the US military. My Brother was in the Air Force, My Father was in the Navy, my Cousin is in the Coast Guard, my Brother in Law is in the Navy, my Cousin husband is in the Navy.
I myself is an Army man, and I am an expert in ISTAR (I don't claim much about being an Expert but this is one of my expertise) ISTAR is the same between Army, Navy and the Airforce because we use tri-service equipment (Airforce drone or Navy Drone) and we train together. Whatever I don't know (Such as how long it take to refuel a ship) I can ask my relative who are serving. And I am not asking them any national security secret, so they will tell me what I want to know.
So, what is your background? High School drop out who have nothing to do and always claim he is right and the other was wrong? LOL.
As gambit said, if you are too chitshit to talk about your background, which mean you have none, then welcome to the make believe world of your own ego.
LOL
LOL. So you think your claim could prove another of your claim?
When your claim is debunked, the other whole of your claims and credibility ruins .. as almost all of what you have built and demonstrated here is simply claim backed by your other claim without solid citation.
Who would believe your family and bla bla bla is expert in US Air Force / Navy / Army /bla bla bla? unless you can show your tested quality and capacity in this forum?
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