The Fight against PKK Terrorism
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We better invade Australia and use it as a prison then.
Just please, don't be a retard
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Oh please don't be ridiculous.
You also share nothing with those ancient peoples, please show what common cultural elements you have ? what do you know about their genetics ? you're genetically related with Persians and other Iranians, Iranians came to region quite late compared to other locals. Your claim is no different then me claiming old Anatolian heritage taking region and may be some genetic remains as a base.
Official and common language of Ottoman Empire was Turkish, it had a Turkish population and rulers were openly claiming Turkic heritage, they're absolutely not same with Ayyubids, we don't know even know if Ayyubid family itself continued to use Kurdish or not in their daily life, official language was Arabic, Turkic and various other languages were spoken in the military, common daily language of the people was Arabic and culturally and traditionally there was nothing Kurdish in the state.
Its not a claim its a fact, jest check the historical names of settlements out of southeastern most edges of the Anatolia, most of them Armenian, Assyrian, Arabic, Greek, your place was Zagros mountains you were commonly identified as mountainmen, you had no place in plains and valleys of surrounding regions, some sparse examples most likely from post-Arab invasions period does not changes that fact.
Your claiming of Median heritage is also ridiculous, according to what base are you considering them Kurdish ? its not even known what kind of language they spoke !
You also share nothing with those ancient peoples, please show what common cultural elements you have ? what do you know about their genetics ? you're genetically related with Persians and other Iranians, Iranians came to region quite late compared to other locals. Your claim is no different then me claiming old Anatolian heritage taking region and may be some genetic remains as a base.
Official and common language of Ottoman Empire was Turkish, it had a Turkish population and rulers were openly claiming Turkic heritage, they're absolutely not same with Ayyubids, we don't know even know if Ayyubid family itself continued to use Kurdish or not in their daily life, official language was Arabic, Turkic and various other languages were spoken in the military, common daily language of the people was Arabic and culturally and traditionally there was nothing Kurdish in the state.
Its not a claim its a fact, jest check the historical names of settlements out of southeastern most edges of the Anatolia, most of them Armenian, Assyrian, Arabic, Greek, your place was Zagros mountains you were commonly identified as mountainmen, you had no place in plains and valleys of surrounding regions, some sparse examples most likely from post-Arab invasions period does not changes that fact.
Your claiming of Median heritage is also ridiculous, according to what base are you considering them Kurdish ? its not even known what kind of language they spoke !
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But from where are you going to get the women? haha
Median Empire?
Those a recent theories that emerged by imperialist.
If your grandmother still lives, go and ask her what Median is and you will get your answer.
If your immediate ancestors don't know their history, what makes you think your earlier ancestors do know where they came from?
Short history:
Kurdish didn't put anything on paper, but we know Kurds are off-shoot of Persians. Before Turks came to Anatolia (under seljuk which are common ancestors of Ottomans and Safavids), you lived in Iran that was ruled by Safavid Turks. They were Shia, and Ottomans were Sunni. Kurds were causing trouble in Iran and they wanted to destroy your race but instead Ottomans said, they are sunni give them to us and Safavid Turks agreed. We welcomed you in Anatolia.That is your history in Anatolia in short.
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PKK Criminal Networks and Fronts in Europe
Abdulkadir Onay
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February 21, 2008
On February 13, Frank Urbancic, deputy counterterrorism coordinator at the State Department, told CNN-Turk, "The PKK [Kurdistan Workers Party] is like the mafia all over Europe." He added that in addition to its terrorist presence in Europe, the PKK has an "octopus-like structure carrying out criminal activity, including drug and people smuggling" to raise funds, as well as "fronts that provide cover to the organization's criminal and terror activities."
The United States and Turkey have recently begun to cooperate with each other against the PKK presence in northern Iraq, but the organization's relatively unnoticed European criminal networks and fronts remain a lifeline that, if unchecked, will allow it to remain well funded and supplied indefinitely. For their fight against the PKK to be successful, Turkey, the United States, and the European Union must tackle the group's European activities.
Criminal Fundraising in Europe
The State Department's April 2007 Country Reports on Terrorism stated that the PKK finances its operations through fundraising and criminal activity in Europe. Similarly, a recent NATO Terrorist Threat Intelligence Unit (TTIU) report found that the PKK is involved in illegal economic operations such as smuggling, tax evasion, and other forms of organized crime, including drug and counterfeit money trafficking as well as illegal foreign currency exchanges. The report also stated that PKK members apply coercion in collecting funds.
According to figures presented at the NATO Reinforced Economic Committee meeting in November 2007, the illicit narcotics industry is the PKK's most profitable criminal activity. The committee's subsequent report found that the PKK is involved in all phases of the narcotics trade, from raw production in Pakistan and distillation in Iraq to street sales and "taxation" of non-PKK-produced drugs in Europe. The report also showed human trafficking as the PKK's second most profitable illicit activity.
Europol has made a similar case about the PKK's criminal activities, offering specific evidence in its April 2007 Terrorism Situation and Trend Report: "Two PKK members were arrested in France in 2006 for money laundering aimed at financing terrorism. At the end of 2005, three members of the PKK were arrested in Belgium and another one in Germany suspected of financing the PKK. In Belgium, the authorities seized receipt booklets indicating that the arrested suspects were collecting 'tax' from their fellow countrymen. The rise of fundraising activities by the PKK in the EU is related to the escalation of the terrorist campaign of Kurdish terrorists in Turkey."
Fronts and Legal Loopholes
In addition to its criminal network, the PKK also uses fronts and legal loopholes to raise funds in Europe. The TTIU report stated that the group raises a total of $50 to $100 million per year. Although the bulk of this amount comes from criminal operations in Europe, approximately $12 to $15 million is raised through legitimate or semi-legitimate commercial activities and donations. According to Turkish authorities, the PKK has a vast network of 400 affiliated organizations in Europe -- about half of which are in Germany -- engaged in these commercial activities. The network includes affiliate or sympathizer organizations such as the Confederation of Kurdish Associations in Europe (KON-KURD, headquartered in Brussels) and the International Kurdish Businessmen Union (KAR-SAZ, in Rotterdam).
The PKK also has a vast European propaganda and fundraising network that includes two news agencies, four television stations, thirteen radio stations, ten newspapers, nineteen periodicals, and three publishing houses. These media organizations are scattered across Europe and range from Roj TV in Denmark to the Firat News Agency in the Netherlands.
Purchasing Weapons
Revenues from the PKK's criminal activities and fronts have long funded the group's weapons purchases in Europe. Between 1984 and 2006, Turkey confiscated a total of 40,045 PKK weapons. The origin of many of the weapons could not be detected due to intentional destruction of identifying marks by producers, smugglers, or the users. Nevertheless, more than 16,000 of them have so far been traced. Some originated in European countries, including Italy, Germany, Belgium, Hungary, and Russia. Moreover, of the 8,015 mines captured by Turkey, 4,857 came from Italy and 2,268 from Russia and the ex-Soviet republics. Such large amounts of weapons, often stored in military depots, normally would not disappear without alerting the authorities.
European Cooperation: Slow but Increasing
The PKK has enjoyed safe conduct in some European countries for quite some time. Today, these nations are beginning to understand the global effects of terrorism and the need for international cooperation, and are accordingly taking steps to ban or restrict PKK activities. For instance, as reported by the Turkish daily Sabah, the British Foreign Office acknowledged in January 2008 that the PKK and its affiliate organizations had been active in Britain and other European countries since 2001. As a result, Britain announced that "foreign terrorist organizations would not be allowed to exploit the territories of the United Kingdom to fundraise any more."
Most European states have also officially recognized the PKK as a terrorist organization (though some, such as Norway, have not yet done so). Accordingly, they are taking some concrete steps against the group. For example, in January 2008, a local Berlin court found a Turkish citizen guilty of leading an underground PKK cell in Bavaria since 1994 and sentenced him to nearly three years in prison.
U.S. Role in Facilitating European Cooperation
According to the European Council's 2002 Framework Decision on Combating Terrorism, member states are obligated to take necessary measures to ensure that any involvement with a terrorist group -- whether it be directing, funding, supplying, or participating -- is punishable by law. Unfortunately, European countries have been slow in implementing this legislation.
In order to be successful, the U.S.-Turkish strategy against the PKK presence in northern Iraq should include strong U.S.-Turkish-European counterterrorism tools to shut down the group's European criminal networks and fronts. In this regard, the United States should bring Turkey and Europe together by facilitating joint work among American, Turkish, and European law enforcement agencies.
Lt. Col. Abdulkadir Onay (Turkish Army) is a visiting military fellow in The Washington Institute's Turkish Research Program.
Abdulkadir Onay
Policy #1344
February 21, 2008
On February 13, Frank Urbancic, deputy counterterrorism coordinator at the State Department, told CNN-Turk, "The PKK [Kurdistan Workers Party] is like the mafia all over Europe." He added that in addition to its terrorist presence in Europe, the PKK has an "octopus-like structure carrying out criminal activity, including drug and people smuggling" to raise funds, as well as "fronts that provide cover to the organization's criminal and terror activities."
The United States and Turkey have recently begun to cooperate with each other against the PKK presence in northern Iraq, but the organization's relatively unnoticed European criminal networks and fronts remain a lifeline that, if unchecked, will allow it to remain well funded and supplied indefinitely. For their fight against the PKK to be successful, Turkey, the United States, and the European Union must tackle the group's European activities.
Criminal Fundraising in Europe
The State Department's April 2007 Country Reports on Terrorism stated that the PKK finances its operations through fundraising and criminal activity in Europe. Similarly, a recent NATO Terrorist Threat Intelligence Unit (TTIU) report found that the PKK is involved in illegal economic operations such as smuggling, tax evasion, and other forms of organized crime, including drug and counterfeit money trafficking as well as illegal foreign currency exchanges. The report also stated that PKK members apply coercion in collecting funds.
According to figures presented at the NATO Reinforced Economic Committee meeting in November 2007, the illicit narcotics industry is the PKK's most profitable criminal activity. The committee's subsequent report found that the PKK is involved in all phases of the narcotics trade, from raw production in Pakistan and distillation in Iraq to street sales and "taxation" of non-PKK-produced drugs in Europe. The report also showed human trafficking as the PKK's second most profitable illicit activity.
Europol has made a similar case about the PKK's criminal activities, offering specific evidence in its April 2007 Terrorism Situation and Trend Report: "Two PKK members were arrested in France in 2006 for money laundering aimed at financing terrorism. At the end of 2005, three members of the PKK were arrested in Belgium and another one in Germany suspected of financing the PKK. In Belgium, the authorities seized receipt booklets indicating that the arrested suspects were collecting 'tax' from their fellow countrymen. The rise of fundraising activities by the PKK in the EU is related to the escalation of the terrorist campaign of Kurdish terrorists in Turkey."
Fronts and Legal Loopholes
In addition to its criminal network, the PKK also uses fronts and legal loopholes to raise funds in Europe. The TTIU report stated that the group raises a total of $50 to $100 million per year. Although the bulk of this amount comes from criminal operations in Europe, approximately $12 to $15 million is raised through legitimate or semi-legitimate commercial activities and donations. According to Turkish authorities, the PKK has a vast network of 400 affiliated organizations in Europe -- about half of which are in Germany -- engaged in these commercial activities. The network includes affiliate or sympathizer organizations such as the Confederation of Kurdish Associations in Europe (KON-KURD, headquartered in Brussels) and the International Kurdish Businessmen Union (KAR-SAZ, in Rotterdam).
The PKK also has a vast European propaganda and fundraising network that includes two news agencies, four television stations, thirteen radio stations, ten newspapers, nineteen periodicals, and three publishing houses. These media organizations are scattered across Europe and range from Roj TV in Denmark to the Firat News Agency in the Netherlands.
Purchasing Weapons
Revenues from the PKK's criminal activities and fronts have long funded the group's weapons purchases in Europe. Between 1984 and 2006, Turkey confiscated a total of 40,045 PKK weapons. The origin of many of the weapons could not be detected due to intentional destruction of identifying marks by producers, smugglers, or the users. Nevertheless, more than 16,000 of them have so far been traced. Some originated in European countries, including Italy, Germany, Belgium, Hungary, and Russia. Moreover, of the 8,015 mines captured by Turkey, 4,857 came from Italy and 2,268 from Russia and the ex-Soviet republics. Such large amounts of weapons, often stored in military depots, normally would not disappear without alerting the authorities.
European Cooperation: Slow but Increasing
The PKK has enjoyed safe conduct in some European countries for quite some time. Today, these nations are beginning to understand the global effects of terrorism and the need for international cooperation, and are accordingly taking steps to ban or restrict PKK activities. For instance, as reported by the Turkish daily Sabah, the British Foreign Office acknowledged in January 2008 that the PKK and its affiliate organizations had been active in Britain and other European countries since 2001. As a result, Britain announced that "foreign terrorist organizations would not be allowed to exploit the territories of the United Kingdom to fundraise any more."
Most European states have also officially recognized the PKK as a terrorist organization (though some, such as Norway, have not yet done so). Accordingly, they are taking some concrete steps against the group. For example, in January 2008, a local Berlin court found a Turkish citizen guilty of leading an underground PKK cell in Bavaria since 1994 and sentenced him to nearly three years in prison.
U.S. Role in Facilitating European Cooperation
According to the European Council's 2002 Framework Decision on Combating Terrorism, member states are obligated to take necessary measures to ensure that any involvement with a terrorist group -- whether it be directing, funding, supplying, or participating -- is punishable by law. Unfortunately, European countries have been slow in implementing this legislation.
In order to be successful, the U.S.-Turkish strategy against the PKK presence in northern Iraq should include strong U.S.-Turkish-European counterterrorism tools to shut down the group's European criminal networks and fronts. In this regard, the United States should bring Turkey and Europe together by facilitating joint work among American, Turkish, and European law enforcement agencies.
Lt. Col. Abdulkadir Onay (Turkish Army) is a visiting military fellow in The Washington Institute's Turkish Research Program.
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First of all, you seem to have a hard time in understanding what "ancient" really means. So aren't the Indo-Iranian-Hurrian mixed Mitanni "ancient" enough? Iranic tribes are much longer present in what is nowadays Eastern Anatolia/Northern Mesopotamia than any of the other groups. Turkic presence in and around Anatolia is not older than 1000 years. While Armenian language and culture is provenly descend of Phrygian, which came from Balkans to Central and West Anatolia at least a thousand years AFTER the first Indo_Iranian groups. Those Armenians who are descend from Phrygians settled througout the Near East.
http://dienekes.blogspot.de/2012/09/armenians-as-p...
Phrygians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
On the other hand Mitanni, Medes/Parthians Scythians are at least a few centuries earlier present in this territory which we call Kurdistan.
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Also the origin of the Haplogroup R1a* which is believed to be one of the main Indo-Iranian Haplogroups, lies between Iran and Eastern Anatolia.
The phylogenetic and geographic structure of... [Eur J Hum Genet. 2014] - PubMed - NCBI
And no you are basically wrong or have no knowledge of genetics. Kurds are not simply "Persians". Kurds are proven to be genetically somewhere in between Iranians/Persians and Georgians, which is exactly the territory where they reside nowadays WHILE Armenians are somewhere between Levantines/Jews and Turks and not really to Georgians or other Caucasian groups, which they should if they were really natives of the region.They basically cluster in Central and South Anatolia (Cillica) which is exactly where Phrygians settled.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TR8ox_MI6qI/...
on the other hand Kurds cluster even very close to North Caucasians.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TEdgg08HnTI/...
Official language Turkish? sure it wasn't mostly a mix of Turkish Arabic, Persian? otherwise why would Ataturk make the language reforms were he brought words from central asia to replace many of the arabic and persian words used. tesekkurler
It did not only have a Turkish population, it had people from the Balkans(most of the vazirs were from Balkan, janissaries etc), Armenian(most of the architects), Greeks, Kurds, Arabs and many many more and combined Turks wouldn't even comprise 10% of the total population. The culture, the traditions, to be honest I didn't see any Turkish in it. The architecture was in reality modified Byzantine. The culture and traditions were simply a mix of the different cultures in the region. I mean the food, the belly dancing it really tells alot. The flag. Just like the Ayyubid, the Ottoman empire was mainly an Islamic Empire. Where in Ottoman the rulers were Turks and in the Ayyubid they were Kurds. Sure perhaps there were more Turkish influence in the Ottoman Empire.
You're making it sound like we lived on top of the mountains. Where we had to climb up and down everyday. The Zagros mountains are filled with valleys were the Kurdish anicent settlements, artifacts are still preserved. And it's in Sirnak where it starts all the way to Ilam.
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About the Medes just read this by the Harvard Prof. M. R. Izady Are Kurds Descended From the Medes? | KURDISTANICA.com
why are u trying to provoke? I know the far majority of the Turks in reality wants every Kurd dead apart from Ismail Beskici so why don't u just say it?
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U better leave your wolf hole from time to time. The first one to tell me about the Medes was my grandfather who migrated from Rojhelat(Iran) to Jordan. He told me that close to his village there were some caves called Ashkawte Karaftoo and that the Mads were the first ones to live there Karaftoo Cave Photo Gallery by Ali Majdfar at pbase.com By the way Kurmanj is a direct translation Son of Mede. Kur which means son and manj refering to the Mad(Mede). Kurds in Xorasan still call themselves Kurmanj not Kurds. Another thing, I'm yet to see an azeri or persian by teh name Diyako, refering to the second median king. It's also interesting to note that Qyzqapan the grave of Keyxosrow who defeated the assyrians, his grave is in a mountain in Slemani province, deep inside Kurdish areas.
"Cyaxares the Great (625--585 BC), the son of King Phraortes, was the first king of Media. According to Herodotus, Cyaxares, grandson of Diyako, had a far greater military reputation than his father or grandfather, therefore he is often being described as the first offical Median King.
''Qyzqapan'' is located in Syromedia, and is the last resting place of Cyaxares the Great, according to Igor Diakonov. Qyzqapan is today an archaeological site in Silemani (Kurdistan Region).
The construction of the tomb, begun after the death of Cyaxares the Great. The tomb contains Zoroastrian symbols, since the Medes had an Ancient Iranian Religion (a form of pre-Zoroastrian Mazdaism or Mithra worshipping) with a priesthood named as "Magi". Later and during the reigns of last Median kings the reforms of Zarathustra spread in northwestern Iran, (mainly the modern Kurdish parts)."
And your second BS part, just xafa ba. I know that directly by u claiming the Safavid was Turkish.
We turned Iran shia even though half of the Kurds in Iran are sunni. Safaviyya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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You're still repeating same sh.t, don't bring me unproven theories, I told you one single thing about Medes, their language is NO clearly known, with some very sparse infos its accepted as an Iranian language , thats it, while the situation is this you still think Kurds are Medes, a theory is not equal to a fact, you have to learn the difference, same thing applies to other claims about ancient peoples, even the knowlodge about their culture and language is very very minimal according to what base are you claiming their heritage ? Thats plain nationalist sh.t.
Kurds share genetic relationship with other Iranians, but with other mixtures in the regions they spreaded, just like anybody else in the world, do we not share genetic relationship with other Anatolians ? in this case can we claim their heritage ?
Stop bringing up stupid blog sites of internet theories. Anybody can open such sites, Proof is what matters.
Ottoman empire as the name suggest was an empire, it was multinational, not only Turks have claim over its heritage, but just like the Roman starting core and culture was Latin, Ottoman starting core and culture was Turkish, both empires gradually absorbed cultures of conquered peoples, influence of Arabic and Persian in court language was just like the influence of English today, or influence of French few centuries ago, nobles liked to look different and unique thats it, daily spoken language was not much different from today's daily Turkish.
You have close to zero knowlodge, all you do search for stupid blogs thats fits to your tastes, in order to boost your nationalist pride.
Instead of lookig after false or unproven theories to boost your pride, look after what you actually have to take pride.
Kurds share genetic relationship with other Iranians, but with other mixtures in the regions they spreaded, just like anybody else in the world, do we not share genetic relationship with other Anatolians ? in this case can we claim their heritage ?
Stop bringing up stupid blog sites of internet theories. Anybody can open such sites, Proof is what matters.
Ottoman empire as the name suggest was an empire, it was multinational, not only Turks have claim over its heritage, but just like the Roman starting core and culture was Latin, Ottoman starting core and culture was Turkish, both empires gradually absorbed cultures of conquered peoples, influence of Arabic and Persian in court language was just like the influence of English today, or influence of French few centuries ago, nobles liked to look different and unique thats it, daily spoken language was not much different from today's daily Turkish.
You have close to zero knowlodge, all you do search for stupid blogs thats fits to your tastes, in order to boost your nationalist pride.
Instead of lookig after false or unproven theories to boost your pride, look after what you actually have to take pride.
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Who said that? I know a lot of loyal Kurds that don't betray their flag. I like those Kurdish people. In the past when I was a child my family even went on vaction with them. What we all want is that all baby killing PKK Kurds fall dead.
why are u trying to provoke? I know the far majority of the Turks in reality wants every Kurd dead apart from Ismail Beskici so why don't u just say it?
U better leave your wolf hole from time to time. The first one to tell me about the Medes was my grandfather who migrated from Rojhelat(Iran) to Jordan. He told me that close to his village there were some caves called Ashkawte Karaftoo and that the Mads were the first ones to live there Karaftoo Cave Photo Gallery by Ali Majdfar at pbase.com By the way Kurmanj is a direct translation Son of Mede. Kur which means son and manj refering to the Mad(Mede). Kurds in Xorasan still call themselves Kurmanj not Kurds. Another thing, I'm yet to see an azeri or persian by teh name Diyako, refering to the second median king. It's also interesting to note that Qyzqapan the grave of Keyxosrow who defeated the assyrians, his grave is in a mountain in Slemani province, deep inside Kurdish areas.
"Cyaxares the Great (625--585 BC), the son of King Phraortes, was the first king of Media. According to Herodotus, Cyaxares, grandson of Diyako, had a far greater military reputation than his father or grandfather, therefore he is often being described as the first offical Median King.
''Qyzqapan'' is located in Syromedia, and is the last resting place of Cyaxares the Great, according to Igor Diakonov. Qyzqapan is today an archaeological site in Silemani (Kurdistan Region).
The construction of the tomb, begun after the death of Cyaxares the Great. The tomb contains Zoroastrian symbols, since the Medes had an Ancient Iranian Religion (a form of pre-Zoroastrian Mazdaism or Mithra worshipping) with a priesthood named as "Magi". Later and during the reigns of last Median kings the reforms of Zarathustra spread in northwestern Iran, (mainly the modern Kurdish parts)."
And your second BS part, just xafa ba. I know that directly by u claiming the Safavid was Turkish.
Safaviyya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Safavid history belongs to today's Azeri people. Yes. Problem?
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What flag are you talking about? Those loyal Kurds were orphans whose parents got killed by genocidal Turks. For example the leader of CHP, he is brainwashed now. It's in the genese just like with Janissaries. That flag have NO CONNECTION WITH KURDS. Those are just some retards with complex. There are many of them. We don't even consider them Kurds anymore. And it's difficult with going to villages forcing them to learn the disgusting langauge and say they are turks. They were forced. U belong to Turkmenistan, we to Kurdistan.
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One of PKK objectives is to keep the South-East poor, in doing so they kidnap, threaten and on some cases kill contract workers building and enriching the area.
Here works to build a road is prevented by non-armed wing of PKK, while armed group opens fire from surrounding hilltops
Here works to build a road is prevented by non-armed wing of PKK, while armed group opens fire from surrounding hilltops
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