The Fall Out from SCO Modi and Sharif Meeting

[Kaniska]

Again, like I said you don't have a true appreciation of this very delicate relationship.

Or maybe you want to promote and subscribe to the NARRATIVE of this " Helpless Political Establishment " at the hands of Military Establishment because it helps you malign Pakistan Armed Forces.

The truth of the matter is that the only reason why the Politicians yield to Military will is because Pakistani people have a much higher regard for the Military than they have for the scumbag politicians. The reason for this popularity of our Armed Forces is because of the sacrifices our soldier makes for his or her Country. If there are Earthquakes , Floods or any other calamity, it is the Pak Armed forces who reach ground zero before anyone else. It is the soldier who is fighting the terrorist funded by India. Any political lowlife that spews venom against our Armed Forces can only do so while living in UK or US.

Any Political Government who foolishly takes on Pakistan Armed Forces will be routed out of Power by the Pakistani people in months if not weeks. This is the truth that you Indians refuse to accept so feel free to remain in DENIAL.

Why do we would like to refute that your army call the shots....It is your country and your rules...But to say that Army does everything and political parties are scumbugs shows the lack of understanding or the inherent weakness of the Pakistan society in accepting the democtaic values as the way of life...Its simple....its role of the Army to protect its border...so do to be at ground zero at the time of the need...Every one does their job as defined...What is the big deal it it...In West and also in India, Army does the same and i see does more favor to nation by not interfering in the democratic go ....that does not mean they are not patriotic......

So in a sense...I see the continious intervention of your Army in the democratic institution is creating a parallel Gov always impacts the functioning of the political parties...

 

[Pakistanisage]

Our Politics is different in Pakistan. Our PM who is CORRUPT to the core does not deserve the respect of Pakistani people. His support is either based on votes he and his friends have bought or acquired through fraud or acquired by promoting Punjabi Nationalism. PPP gets the vote thru Sindhi nationalism and MQM promotes Urdu nationalism. All of these lowlife Politicians should instead be promoting Pakistani Nationalism instead of promoting regional and parochial Nationalism.

On top of that all these Politico types are HYPOCRITES of the highest degree. Both Nawaz Sharif and Asif Zardari have asked Pakistani and Foreign investors to invest in Pakistan while they keep Billions of Dollars of their ill-gotten wealth overseas. Compared to these low lives, Military leadership sounds much more appealing to us.

Why do we would like to refute that your army call the shots....It is your country and your rules...But to say that Army does everything and political parties are scumbugs shows the lack of understanding or the inherent weakness of the Pakistan society in accepting the democtaic values as the way of life...Its simple....its role of the Army to protect its border...so do to be at ground zero at the time of the need...Every one does their job as defined...What is the big deal it it...In West and also in India, Army does the same and i see does more favor to nation by not interfering in the democratic go ....that does not mean they are not patriotic......

So in a sense...I see the continious intervention of your Army in the democratic institution is creating a parallel Gov always impacts the functioning of the political parties...

 

[Kaniska]

Our Politics is different in Pakistan. Our PM who is CORRUPT to the core does not deserve the respect of Pakistani people. His support is either based on votes he and his friends have bought or acquired through fraud or acquired by promoting Punjabi Nationalism. PPP gets the vote thru Sindhi nationalism and MQM promotes Urdu nationalism. All of these lowlife Politicians should instead be promoting Pakistani Nationalism instead of promoting regional and parochial Nationalism.

On top of that all these Politico types are HYPOCRITES of the highest degree. Both Nawaz Sharif and Asif Zardari have asked Pakistani and Foreign investors to invest in Pakistan while they keep Billions of Dollars of their ill-gotten wealth overseas. Compared to these low lives, Military leadership sounds much more appealing to us.

If your PM is corrupt and Army chief is good, then your Army chief should form a political party with like minded good people and participate in the election....You have to remember that , being outside of the system and pointing fingers is easy....but it is difficult when any person is inside the system and failed to deliver it...Tell me one thing, How many Army generals who are in the top position in the Military rule has contributed positively to your nation.....If your Army Chiefs are good enough, then Musharaf would have been the PM in the election rather than NS, Zardari or Imran Khan....So that implies that normal and regular grassroots people of Pakistan still put their faith in the democratic set up and its political parties than then Army generals...

 

[third eye]

@Horus @Oscar @waz @Jungibaaz
I remember that insulting of leaders was not allowed, Do we still have that policy here ?

What are your views on this post below on the same thread before your post ?

Is Modi using the CPEC shock as an excuse to go on tourism spree, every day the bugger is in some new country, wah kia bonga banaya hua hai indians ko. Does he stay in his own country for more than a few days. Seems his life long dream of travelling has come true, always enjoying tours taking selfies, hain.

Not that I'm aware of bro.

 

[salarsikander]

What are your views on this post below on the same thread before your post ?

Hi,

Perhaps you've mistaken jenforna moderator. youre more than welcome to report anything, like I did. Which you may find offensive.

Come on? You took at all at a wrong. Did I really say that you were supporting Ganja there?

Re read your Silly posts, and then tell who was making fool of himself ?

 

[Bang Galore]

He is hoping to make the best of the given situation..The establishment doesn't necessarily control everything in pakistan...they too have their limitations. Body language of nawaz indicates a lot of pressure that he is under. Assuming he is the pm of pakistan..what could be the pressure on the most important person of a country. ..If it is not external pressure?

Though the army does not control everything..But when it comes to India..then civilians are off limits.

The civilians might attempt to take out the only available bogeyman for the army to retain control on the pakistani masses. When the bogeyman is neutralised by peace or agreement..then the establishment loses its importance.

I guess it's a confusing state of affairs in pakistan and Indian policy makers are well aware of it.

That is neither here or there. If the pressure on NS is external, then the army won't cooperate. No bogeyman will be neutralised without the army's express say so. Anything else is just a case of imagination running wild. NS had a torrid time last year where the military took him on & effectively got him to agree to a military say in security matters including on India. To suddenly believe that NS is again acting on his own, when the CoAS is now on top of his game as opposed to being a new guy in the job last year is pushing the realms of logic. In any case, my point pertains to pushing of the argument that the civilians are trying for peace & the army is pushing back is a rather simplistic argument. From our position, we should not get suckered in by any requests for bolstering the civilian position versus the army. It can't be done and we will be played for fools.

 

[Foxtrot-Bravo]

Hi,

Perhaps you've mistaken jenforna moderator. youre more than welcome to report anything, like I did which you may find offensive.


Re read your Silly posts, and then tell who was making fool of himself ?

You are my elder, so you are respectful. Respectfully, I didn't mean you are supporting Nawaz Sharif so you are wrong. My point was Nawaz Sharif is a traitor to Pakistanis, he is more a pro-Indian than a pro-Pakistani.

 

[Styx]

main fallout from the meeting was that the pak army and isi got humiliated because there wasn't a single mention of kashmir

 

[salarsikander]

You are my elder, so you are respectful. Respectfully, I didn't mean you are supporting Nawaz Sharif so you are wrong. My point was Nawaz Sharif is a traitor to Pakistanis, he is more a pro-Indian than a pro-Pakistani.

B.S.

Your change in attitude after you got told off is very prominent

URL="The Fall Out from SCO Modi and Sharif Meeting | Page 2"]The Fall Out from SCO Modi and Sharif Meeting[/URL]
you started to bash me ! by calling him my leader, even though i was crystal clear on my stance.

We are discussing our leaders and Nawaz Sharif. So, what about his steps in Kargil War? Does it sound out of topic to you? Seriously!!

How does that sound?

What you're doing son is called face saving strategy, you are salvaging whatever is left of your lost respect. In doing so your even further weakening your stance. If i were you I would keep silent, but thts just me

 

[acid rain]

That is neither here or there. If the pressure on NS is external, then the army won't cooperate. No bogeyman will be neutralised without the army's express say so. Anything else is just a case of imagination running wild. NS had a torrid time last year where the military took him on & effectively got him to agree to a military say in security matters including on India. To suddenly believe that NS is again acting on his own, when the CoAS is now on top of his game as opposed to being a new guy in the job last year is pushing the realms of logic. In any case, my point pertains to pushing of the argument that the civilians are trying for peace & the army is pushing back is a rather simplistic argument. From our position, we should not get suckered in by any requests for bolstering the civilian position versus the army. It can't be done and we will be played for fools.

What I meant was pressure on him is internal.

The more NS engages India the more likely he is to be thrown out by the military...no way the civilian are going to get on top of the army when people are directly in support of the army when compared to the political parties.

 

[Foxtrot-Bravo]

B.S.

Your change in attitude after you got told off is very prominent

URL="The Fall Out from SCO Modi and Sharif Meeting | Page 2"]The Fall Out from SCO Modi and Sharif Meeting[/URL]
you started to bash me ! by calling him my leader, even though i was crystal clear on my stance.




How does that sound?

What you're doing son is called face saving strategy, you are salvaging whatever is left of your lost respect. In doing so your even further weakening your stance. If i were you I would keep silent, but thts just me

Well, you were defending him so this was my stance, this will be my stance, this is my stance. Having a higher rank on this forum doesn't mean you can bash anyone, anytime. Give respect, take respect.

Just read my first reply to your comment on the thread you have quoted above where you were talking about Insulting Leaders wasn't allowed on the forum.

You will get your answers.

 

[salarsikander]

Well, you were defending him so this was my stance, this will be my stance, this is my stance. Having a higher rank on this forum doesn't mean you can bash anyone, anytime. Give respect, take respect.

Just read my first reply to your comment on the thread you have quoted above where you were talking about Insulting Leaders wasn't allowed on the forum.

You will get your answers.

Son,

I was only defending because he's answerable to us, not to anyone else. RE-READ my other post regarding this.

You were the one who jumped up like hooligan and started to judge me on one post. Hence you got prefect response for it

 

[Bang Galore]

The more NS engages India the more likely he is to be thrown out by the military...no way the civilian are going to get on top of the army when people are directly in support of the army when compared to the political parties.

That's my point. Why is he risking everything to engage with India? Unless of course the narrative is different from the one put out. It cannot be completely dismissed that the army & he have some sort of an agreement on how to approach this situation.

 

[MilSpec]

The reason why Pakistan Military remains so Popular is because their stances and proclivities are a lot closer to the choices the Pakistani Electorate would prefer to make.
.

Then on your ballot paper, next time around you should have an option of military rule, democracy is all about will of the people afterall ?

 

[acid rain]

That's my point. Why is he risking everything to engage with India? Unless of course the narrative is different from the one put out. It cannot be completely dismissed that the army & he have some sort of an agreement on how to approach this situation.

Because peaceful settlement with India means the importance of the army diminishes in pakistan.

You can doubt his stance if it is in some concurrence with the military..but the same is true for the other 3 parties too - zardari, altaf and imran khan have all desired the same.

I guess they feel that unless there is a settlement with India and an acceptable settlement of Kashmir happens - the army will remain dominant.