The End of the Indian Idea

[masterchief_mirza]

India or Bharat as a nation state has never existed as a contiguous, harmonious and peaceful entity but in the minds of hindutva fascists. The Hindu tribes were never a single unified entity. Hinduism itself as a belief system had branched and mutated under Aryan influence such that it was unrecognisable from the Hinduism that existed in the Indus Valley Civilisation. The whole concept of a unified Indian nation existed in the minds of hindutva fanatics. Notwithstanding the aforementioned divergent streams within the Hindu faith, throughout much of recorded history multiple different faith groups have ebbed and flowed in the subcontinent - Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism and Christendom being the most prominent. Indian lands were NEVER a contiguous Hindu state, therefore how can contemporary hindutva philosophy suggest we should accept a reality that suggests this falsehood?

Because of its false foundations, the nation state of India simply cannot sustain itself without some degree of oppression against a significant portion of its population, be they dalits, Muslims, congressians, sikhs or true secularists/liberals. If it cannot function without this prerequisite,then morally speaking, it should not be sustained, and it should be disbanded for the betterment of the tribes that dwell therein.

 

[PakistaniAtBahrain]

Jinnah was adamant that the people's of the subcontinent were too unique, too different, too burdened with the weight of history and the burden of historical emnity that a united India would be a disaster.


The poison and toxicity and hate you see in India is exactly what Jinnah was talking about

Indians have stopped talking about a united diverse India for all but now see diversity as appeasement to others and rather then coming together revel in the idea of electoral victory giving them the justification to dominate, abuse and break the other

Endia

one day south india will separate from north india. they have nothing in common other than religion, and even there are differences. right now south india makes the money, and north india spends it on itself. this wont go on forever.

 

[Clutch]

India was never a single unified country!... It's always been a region of princely states in perpetual war against eachother...

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

LOL, what the hell?? You lot shoot your heart out calling Indian media as phake newj n if Modi is taking action you very guyj r complaining??

Modi is taking action against those who do try to present different views...

At present India is in far better position than the Brits or what so ever country you belong to. Your love for african has already turned europe n amrika as an african state.

India is better than Britain

 

[52051]

LOL, what the hell?? You lot shoot your heart out calling Indian media as phake newj n if Modi is taking action you very guyj r complaining??

GDP per captia for Africa:

GDP per capita of African countries 2024 - StatisticsTimes.com

GDP (Nominal) and GDP (PPP) per capita of African countries by IMF. Changes in gdp per capita, world rank and continent rank, compare to world economy and continent economy.

statisticstimes.com

GDP per captia for India:

List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Nope- It is very successful I must say.

I take my example itself-

My manager is Christian. (Louisa) - kerla
My Team mate is Abdul. (Muslim) - Maharastra
My junior is Vanniyaraj karthik - Chennai
My self from North India (MP),

It would not be possible if it was not successful.

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

GDP per captia for Africa:

GDP per capita of African countries 2024 - StatisticsTimes.com

GDP (Nominal) and GDP (PPP) per capita of African countries by IMF. Changes in gdp per capita, world rank and continent rank, compare to world economy and continent economy.

statisticstimes.com

GDP per captia for India:

List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

No indian will contest this. Africa ---> India...

 

[El Sidd]

Pakistan's National Security Apparatus must formulate a long term policy to ward off the perpetual menace of religion inspired invasion from India.

Numbering 400 million weak as of 2020 by conservative calculations mostly young indoctrinated nourished by hate and paranoia, it is imperative that the question must be answered now.

Fortifications along the banks of the Indus must be incorporated in the CPEC outline.

Nope- It is very successful I must say.

I take my example itself-

My manager is Christian. (Louisa) - kerla
My Team mate is Abdul. (Muslim) - Maharastra
My junior is Vanniyaraj karthik - Chennai
My self from North India (MP),

It would not be possible if it was not successful.

Hindu intellectuals never embraced the Indian idea.

The manipulative social engineering witnessed in India for the past 50 years is evidence enough that India is on a highway to implosion.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

africans are better than beggar countries.


ha ha ha .....

indians are leading the world .

Agreed. As the biggest beggar in the world is india who is the biggest recipient of american aid:

India top recipient of US economic aid - Times of India

US News: India has been identified as the largest recipient of U.S economic assistance over a 66-year period in inflation-adjusted dollars although Washington'

m.timesofindia.com

 

[Meengla]

The OP article is laughable. India was never a true democracy. Mere change of govts through electoral processes doesn't make a country 'democratic'. And India was never secular either. A sprinkling of minorities in token govt roles or sports or Bollywood doesn't make one secular or tolerant.

In no 'democracy' can the slaughter of tens of thousands of minorities people spread over 70 years be brushed out of the collective majoritarian memory, as has been done in India. In no 'democracy', can the highest court in the land keep postponing the verdict on the Kashmir cases as has been done in India since August 5, 2019.

In America--despite it's sordid history of slavery, people still talk about Martin Luther King, about Rosa Park, and about the odd lynching that happened half a century ago. No such things in India.
Having said all this--I know that Pakistan's credentials are not great either but then Pakistan is officially an 'Islamic' state. Even then, Pakistan has not seen horrific pogroms against minorities as seen in India.

So, please, let's disabuse ourselves of the idea about some mythical democratic, secular state called India. That has never been the case unless the criteria would be some very failed and totalitarian African or Middle Eastern states.

 

[HostileInsurgent]

There are more Indian immigrants in Africa

They were taken to Africa by brits in colonial era, no one went there after 1947 as expatriates.

 

[SecularNationalist]

A continent can never be a country.
Saying this for a long time on this forum. Making a continent a country is like putting cats,dogs,rats,lions and birds in one cage . Period...

 

[Titanium100]

A continent can never be a country.
Saying this for a long time on this forum. Making a continent a country is like putting cats,dogs,rats,lions and birds in one cage . Period...

This. It was a failed concept from first day

 

[magra]

India is a sub-continent and in fact it is 28 countries forced into one country. The British are the worst of the worst. Just look at the state they left the place in.

It is like saying Africa is one country and then the north africans start to oppress the central and south. This is India in a nutshell. The Africans wouldn't have accepted that hack even they who don't speak same language won't accept each other. The People of Africa are proud culturally and love to be separated in such lines but shixt like that won't be able to fly in Africa or force them upon each other.

But it happened in India. What commonplace do Tamils and Bengalis have culturally and racially? The answer is none and they differ as South africans differ from Egyptians.

What connection does a Balochi have with a person from Gilgit? Even if you want to break into linguistic / ethnic lines you can, we are not asking you to understand why we Indians are united.

one day south india will separate from north india. they have nothing in common other than religion, and even there are differences. right now south india makes the money, and north india spends it on itself. this wont go on forever.

South India provides the money, North India provides the muscle. It is a mutually dependent relationship.

 

[rent4country]

There are around 200M indians living outside of the sub-continent. While Africa doesn't even have 10M. The Africans are better off hence why they have no reason to venture unlike the Indians who have been on the move since the 1800s.

It's not because I love Africa or anything I am just being pragmatic and fair

Your not-so-subtle racism is on full display.

However, since you are attacking a specific immigrant group- studies being posted here too about different immigrant groups, show that in every country that matters, those very Indian immigrants far exceeded the home country's original/long-term citizenry, including you and your ilk, in every success category. Far outperforming when it comes to earnings, education, contribution to that country's GDP, and in their engagement in making those countries better. For example, in the US, they rank no1 in all those categories as immigrants over us, including every immigrant group we have. They are better contributors to our nation than you and your kind, bud.

Ironically, the US is the greatest melting pot that proves your theory to be a dud. We have a complex and culturally diverse population; our country is a mix of several different heritages and yet way better off than your ilk.

This map shows the US really has 11 separate 'nations' with entirely different cultures

Each region in the United States, from "Yankeedom" to "El Norte," has its own cultural identity, says author Colin Woodard. The cultural differences between them contribute to the political tensions between THE states and how they fit into the US overall.

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