The end of the deal, hopes, delusions and treasons

[_Nabil_]

Central banks are independent of executive branch (Unless you are Turkey). So this notion that Rouhani “printed” money is incorrect.

But of course you see Ahmadinejad’s reign in rose colored glasses.

That's only "true" in developed countries, do you think the CB in Egypt, Saudia Arabia or Algeria will refuse any request from executive power?

 

[mohsen]

Central banks are independent of executive branch (Unless you are Turkey). So this notion that Rouhani “printed” money is incorrect.

When president chooses the central banck chief and he says I printed the money cause government wanted to, then it means what? independence?

 

[TheImmortal]

When president chooses the central banck chief and he says I printed the money cause government wanted to, then it means what? independence?

President doesn’t “choose”, he “appoints”. That appointment requires approval of General Assembly. This is in order to prevent a “yes” man from being governor. Central Banks are quasi-gov institutions, no denying that.

Rouhani has no bearing on the M2 supply of Iran. To say he does is propaganda and illustrates your lack of understanding of the basic concepts of how a central bank operates.

If you would have said the Majils of Iran thru it’s budget and spending bills indirectly leads to growth in M2 supply due to short fall (deficit ) then you would be more accurate.

Saying Rouhani did It is gross negligence on your part.

 

[mohsen]

President doesn’t “choose”, he “appoints”. That appointment requires approval of General Assembly. This is in order to prevent a “yes” man from being governor. Central Banks are quasi-gov institutions, no denying that.

Rouhani has no bearing on the M2 supply of Iran. To say he does is propaganda and illustrates your lack of understanding of the basic concepts of how a central bank operates.

If you would have said the Majils of Iran thru it’s budget and spending bills indirectly leads to growth in M2 supply due to short fall (deficit ) then you would be more accurate.

Saying Rouhani did It is gross negligence on your part.

You are ignoring the facts. Hemmati himself said printing the money was by the order of government.

Rouhani chose a chief who was printing the money to the last day in office, Raeesi chose a chief which hasn't printed any money yet. governments do dictate their economic policies on central bank in Iran.

 

[TheImmortal]

You are ignoring the facts. Hemmati himself said printing the money was by the order of government.

Rouhani chose a chief who was printing the money to the last day in office, Raeesi chose a chief which hasn't printed any money yet. governments do dictate their economic policies on central bank in Iran.

Why are you being so dense Mohsen?

CB of Iran printed during Rouhani’s tenure because the budget > income of Government. Did you think money just magically finds itself to pay for Iran’s budget? Stop acting like a child.

If Iran’s budget is $1 and it’s income is .50 cents then it will either have to print .50 cents (issue debt) or exchange gold/foreign currency reserve and buy rial to cover the shortfall.

So nothing was “ordered” by Rouhani. It was the Islamic Republic of Iran and the levers of power that approve the budget. So if you want to blame someone for “money printing” blame the entire government that had a role in approving the budgets each every quarter/year.

 

[Stryker1982]

thanks to closed scope of IRI , and their increased arrogance to use Iron fist against people by labeling them as spy , anti-revolution , etc , only few manger and politician are left which are corrupted to core and most of them only care about stealing money for "AFTER IRI" and keep stealing money which make the situation even worse day by day ... they are not helpfull and in fact they are the problem themselves ...

This is most frustrating part.

Capital flight is a continuous occurrence. Much more money, in billions is flowing outside the country, rather than inside. The money is being converted into foreign currency and continues the devaluation of the rial. You got officials moving money to Europe, Turkey, Australia etc...

if these people had any faith in Iran itself, why would they move their money? Why not re-invest them here and generate jobs. It's probably because they know continuing on this path is not reasonable without serious and full-scale reform, which may not even be possible.

Not even during the war did price of bread increase like this.

 

[mohsen]

Why are you being so dense Mohsen?

CB of Iran printed during Rouhani’s tenure because the budget > income of Government. Did you think money just magically finds itself to pay for Iran’s budget? Stop acting like a child.

If Iran’s budget is $1 and it’s income is .50 cents then it will either have to print .50 cents (issue debt) or exchange gold/foreign currency reserve and buy rial to cover the shortfall.

So nothing was “ordered” by Rouhani. It was the Islamic Republic of Iran and the levers of power that approve the budget. So if you want to blame someone for “money printing” blame the entire government that had a role in approving the budgets each every quarter/year.

You basically admitted that government policies decide how much money is printed, not the central bank. the rest is just excuses to dodge responsibility of the wrong policies.

Policies such as ending gasoline rationing and domestic production (right in the middle of the sanctions), then government had to import the gasoline (weakening our currency), subsidized gasoline consumption and smuggling rose, so they needed more budget (printing money), in another level it encouraged our enemies to sanction the gasoline as well.

Government opened the import doors, and on 24/7 encouraged the people to buy foreign goods (western mindset), even gave loans to buy them, then naturally thousands of domestic factories shut down, all leading to the same result, needing more budget (printing money) and weakening our currency.

Mother f@ckers said oh our country has no water we have to import wheat (guess who was the importer), yet this waterless country is a major melon producer!

Reducing economic relations with east and regional countries in the hope of a pathetic oil in return of money program with west was purely Rouhani's policy as well.

so you can't say oh poor guy had no income, he literally closed all the sources of income, and that's why I say he is a traitor.

 

[aryobarzan]

You basically admitted that government policies decide how much money is printed, not the central bank. the rest is just excuses to dodge responsibility of the wrong policies.

Policies such as ending gasoline rationing and domestic production (right in the middle of the sanctions), then government had to import the gasoline (weakening our currency), subsidized gasoline consumption and smuggling rose, so they needed more budget (printing money), in another level it encouraged our enemies to sanction the gasoline as well.

Government opened the import doors, and on 24/7 encouraged the people to buy foreign goods (western mindset), even gave loans to buy them, then naturally thousands of domestic factories shut down, all leading to the same result, needing more budget (printing money) and weakening our currency.

Mother f@ckers said oh our country has no water we have to import wheat (guess who was the importer), yet this waterless country is a major melon producer!

Reducing economic relations with east and regional countries in the hope of a pathetic oil in return of money program with west was purely Rouhani's policy as well.

so you can't say oh poor guy had no income, he literally closed all the sources of income, and that's why I say he is a traitor.

Rouhani photo hangs in the corridors of MI6 in London as the most effective agent of the decade the service had recruited...

 

[Sineva]

Heres the eurovassals favorite whipping boy,enrique mora,on his thankless task of begging the iranians to give the us a free pass and save the deal.
Clearly this is a man whos body language says "I hate my fvcking job!"

Whats farsi for: "I`m sorry,but you`re just sh!t out of luck there,buddy!"

It looks like the photographer might`ve gone and snapped the pic a little early,while mora was still checking that his fly wasnt unzipped.....oops!

 

[Sineva]

Coincidental timing,or merely the iaea back up to its same old tricks again?.
The timing does seem rather suspiciously perfect with mora in iran on his latest,and possibly final,begging mission to try and save the deal,so what better time for the euros to try and use whatever small pressure they can muster via grossi?.
Desperate times....,I guess.

IAEA warns that Iran not forthcoming on past nuclear activities
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iaea-still-hopes-iran-deal-worried-about-nuclear-activities-2022-05-10/
BRUSSELS/PARIS, May 10 (Reuters) - The head of the United Nations' atomic watchdog said on Tuesday Iran was dragging its feet on information about uranium particles found at old undeclared sites in the country, raising the prospect of a clash on the issue in June.

Talks to revive Iran's 2015 nuclear deal with world powers have been on hold since March, chiefly over Tehran's insistence that Washington remove the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), its elite security force, from the U.S. Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) list.

While not technically part of the nuclear deal, one issue causing tension and distrust between Tehran and the West had been Iran's demand for the closure of the International Atomic Energy Agency's investigation into uranium particles found at three apparently old but undeclared sites.

Those sites suggest that Iran had nuclear material there that it did not declare to the agency.

Iran and the U.N. nuclear watchdog had agreed a three-month plan on March 5 for a series of exchanges after which IAEA chief Rafael Grossi "will aim to report his conclusion by the June 2022 (IAEA) Board of Governors" meeting, which begins on June 6.

However, Western diplomats have said there is little sign that Tehran has given satisfactory answers to the watchdog.

Speaking to the EU parliament, Grossi said he remained extremely concerned by the situation and had told Iran that he found it difficult to imagine that the nuclear deal could be finalised if the IAEA had serious doubts about things that it should have known about.

"I am not trying to pass an alarmist message that we are at a dead end but the situation does not look very good. Iran has not been forthcoming in the type of information we need from them," Grossi told European Parliament committees via webstream.

The EU's Iran nuclear talks coordinator Enrique Mora arrives in Tehran on Tuesday in what he has described as the last bullet to save the deal, which also includes Russia, China, France, Britain and Germany.

Western officials have largely lost hope that it can be resurrected, sources familiar with the matter said, forcing them to weigh how to limit Iran's atomic program even as Russia's invasion of Ukraine has divided the big powers. read more

"We are, of course, still hopeful that some agreement is going to be reached within a reasonable time frame, although we have to recognise the fact that the window of opportunity could be closed any anytime," Grossi said.

 

[OldTwilight]

400 Gram Cheese , 1.5 $ ...

این ها به بهانه دادن یارانه ی جدید ، آزادسازی قیمت می کنند اونم چندین برابر یارانه بعد برای اینکه فشار دادن همین چندر غاز یارانه بهشون نیاد تا آخر سال دلار رو به 50 تومن می رسونند و از اون سمت هم قیمت ها چون آزاد سازی شدند ، با هر 10 درصد بالا رفتن قیمت دلار ، 100 درصد گرون می شوند ...

خودشون هم اونقدر وقیح هستند ، دیگه امیدی به بقای خودشون ندارند و می روند توی استانبود ترکیه ملک می خرند ....

تازه همزمان با اینکه « ارز برای واردات مواد غذایی نداریم «» گفتنشون ، واردات خودرو رو آزاد می کنند چون خودشون می خواهند ماشین اروپایی سوار بشوند ...

 

[Hack-Hook]

400 Gram Cheese , 1.5 $ ...

depend of the type , there you can buy the same amount of the cheese for 70c if you opt for lactic cheese or Feta cheese instead of Liqvan or Bulqari cheese

خوب لبنیات قیمتش از زمان رییسی زیاد گران نشده ولی چیزهای دیگه ای هست که بخاطرش میشه همه جا را پر کرد با متشکریم رییسی ولی این کار را نمیکنیم برای اینکه رییسی از یک حزب خاص هست​

 

[OldTwilight]

depend of the type , there you can buy the same amount of the cheese for 70c if you opt for lactic cheese or Feta cheese instead of Liqvan or Bulqari cheese

خوب لبنیات قیمتش از زمان رییسی زیاد گران نشده ولی چیزهای دیگه ای هست که بخاطرش میشه همه جا را پر کرد با متشکریم رییسی ولی این کار را نمیکنیم برای اینکه رییسی از یک حزب خاص هست​

شما احتمالا مجردی و خرج خانواده نمی دهی ...
وگرنه قیمت ها عجیب تر از این حرف هاست ...

اگه اشتباه نکنم ، شما پزشک بودی ، این چیزها براتون اهمیت نداره چون پزشک ها دلاری توی ایران با مریض ها حساب می کنند ...

 

[Hack-Hook]

شما احتمالا مجردی و خرج خانواده نمی دهی ...
وگرنه قیمت ها عجیب تر از این حرف هاست ...

مجرد که هستم ولی دلیل نمیشه که خرج نکنم . اما همونطوری که گفتم پنیر و ماست نسبت به خیلی چیزهای دیگه تغییر چندانی نکرده اما اگر قرار اعتراضی بشه خیلی بهتر جایی که جای اعتراض هست اون اتفاق بیافته. بخصوص اونجاهایی که قیمتها همونجوری دارن روزانه کنتور میاندازن.​

 

[OldTwilight]

مجرد که هستم ولی دلیل نمیشه که خرج نکنم . اما همونطوری که گفتم پنیر و ماست نسبت به خیلی چیزهای دیگه تغییر چندانی نکرده اما اگر قرار اعتراضی بشه خیلی بهتر جایی که جای اعتراض هست اون اتفاق بیافته. بخصوص اونجاهایی که قیمتها همونجوری دارن روزانه کنتور میاندازن.​

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