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Even the wet dreams of Jamatis are only to this extent! ;)

Mullah ki daud masjid tak...

Being the client states of a non Muslim country that has a "negative opinion" of Muslims is all they can hope for!

Itnay burray din aa gaye inke... ;)

And that seems to be the extent of "good things coming to them" in the mind of jamatis who don't belong anywhere, just dreaming of a desert that doesn't give a damn...
 
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India's fear of Chicken Neck and annexation plan of Nepal and Bhutan

India's fear of Chicken Neck:

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Due to this fear India annexed Sikkim, installed a puppet govt. in Bangladesh. Now India's next plan is to annex Nepal and Bhutan, to remove the Chicken Neck threat factor.

Bangladesh will be there in 10-15 years or more. Annexation of 90% Muslim Bangladesh (population: 153 million) is beyond India's ability as it will destabilize India itself. But Annexation of "Hindu" Nepal (population: 27.5 million) and Buddhist Bhutan (population: 743,000) is entirely within India's ability and the work is progressing as we speak.

Nepal Annexation plan:
Ten Reasons Why Nepal ShouldJoin India
India?s intention becomes clear
"India's intention becomes clear

Yuba Nath Lamsal

Once again India’s ill intention towards Nepal has been exposed more clearly than ever before. Although India’s interference in our national politics and internal affairs has been a recurring phenomenon, which has not only hurt patriotic sentiment of the people of Nepal but also infuriated them. The Indian design and interference has come in a more open and brazen manner this time with a senior diplomat stationed in Indian Consulate office in Birgunj, about 200 kilometer south of Kathmandu bordering India’s Bihar state. SD Mehta, who is working in the political division of the Consulate office, openly told the leaders of some Madhes-based Nepali parties to start agitation against the federal model agreed upon among the major political parties including the Madeshi Front and press for a single Madhes state in the entire Terai.

What can be more shameless interference than this? Mehta’s remarks aimed at inciting violence and agitation in Terai with the objective of creating chaos, anarchy and instability in Nepal. The issue concerning federal model and the number of federal provinces is strictly an internal matter of Nepal to be decided by the Nepali parties and the Nepali people. Foreigners have no right to poke nose and meddle in this affair. Secondly, diplomats are required to strictly abide by international rules of diplomacy. But Mehta not only crossed the diplomatic boundary but also got involved in the act of inciting violence and disturbing communal harmony which is punishable by the laws of Nepal.

Mehta’s remarks are, thus, totally objectionable and are also against the international norms of diplomacy, for which he must be immediately expelled from the country. Although the government of Nepal has lodged its complaint against what the Indian diplomat said it is not sufficient. The government of Nepal should have declared Mehta as persona non-grata and send him packing. Failure to do this is a weakness on the part of the government. Also the government of Nepal should have sought apology from the government of India for interfering in our internal affairs and violating international laws and norms.

Indian government has tried to cover up this and said that Mehta did not mean what the media have reported. In a press statement, Indian embassy said that Mehta’s remarks were misinterpreted and distorted. These efforts of Indian government to cover up the misdemeanor of its staff imply that these are the view of the Indian government and Mehta spoke as per the instruction of the South Bloc. If it was not the view of the Indian Government, New Delhi should have initiated probe and punished the diplomat, who made the objectionable and undiplomatic statement. What would have the Indian government reacted and responded if similar remarks had been made on India by Nepali diplomat in New Delhi. Perhaps, the Indian government would have expelled him or her within 24 hours.

Nepal also should have taken up this issue both at the official as well as higher political level. However, Nepal failed to take up this issue strongly. Instead it lodged protest in a mild way as though this was a minor mistake. Failure to take action against SD Mehta is a weakness of the Nepal government.

This is a brazen attack on Nepal’s sovereignty and independence and also a direct interference in Nepal’s internal affairs, which must be condemned in the strongest words by all. Although some political parties have raised their concerns over this issue and sought clarification from New Delhi, their protests was also mere perfunctory. This has become more mysterious and the conspicuous by the utter silence of some parties on this issue.

Patriotic Nepalese people are always skeptical about the role of New Delhi in Nepal and its meddling in Nepal’s politics. The role New Delhi has been playing in Nepal and interfered in Nepal’s internal affairs right after the Sugauli treaty has been objectionable. Nepalese people are patriotic and they always resisted Indian interference and pressure. This is how Nepal preserved its independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity both in principle and practice. New Delhi often created its own agents and got them penetrated into political parties through whom India pursued and tried to implement its policies and programmes. This has become more visible in recent years. It is perceived and felt that India has penetrated into political parties, institutions and other sectors. As a result, Indian influence and penetration in Nepal so heavy that New Delhi has started interfering in each and every decision of the government.

The recent remarks of the Indian diplomat should also be linked with the genesis of the Madhes movement and their demand for a separate Madhes state. While Mdhesi people seek one single Madhes state in the entire Terai region, they want to split the rest of the country into about one dozen small provinces on the basis of ethnic identity. This makes it clear that the single Madhes state that is being raised by some Madhes-based parties is not our agenda but is being raised at the behest of foreigners. This can be well substantiated by the remarks of S D Mehta and attempt of Indian government to cover up it instead of probing and taking against him. This is a design to tear apart Nepal into small provinces and also to incite tension and confrontation among these states, which would weaken Nepal’s strength.

One more thing must be noted here that the creation of Madhes-based parties, Madhes movement and one Madhes agenda is directly linked with India\'s long-term strategic design in Nepal. Until a few years ago, there was perfectly communal harmony in our country. But the communal seed was sown from Madhes during the Madhes movement. The Madhes-based parties were created after India’s Consulate office was established in Birgunj.

India had been pressing for permission to establish the Consulate office in Birgunj for a long time. Nepal knew the real intention of New Delhi and resisted it for years. But it was permitted under India’s pressure and perhaps with some under-table lucrative deal during the period of the government headed by Surya Bahadur Thapa in 1997. Ever since the Indian Consulate office was established in Birgunj, political problem started in mid-Terai and other adjacent districts. It was during the period of five or six years, several Madhesi groups—some armed and some without arms— were created through which New Delhi tried to pursue its policy and interests in Nepal. The newly created Madhesi parties were aimed at weakening other mainstream parties, which had not totally capitulated to the Indian interests, although there has been strong and heavy penetration of India into these mainstream parties as well. Its consequence was visible in the Rautahat carnage in which several Maoist cadres, supporters and sympathizers were brutally killed. It did not end there and the design continues even today.

There are three main objectives of the creation of Madhes parties. The first one is to weaken the mainstream parties. Terai is traditionally a vote bank of the Nepali Congress. Although Nepali Congress is a pro-Indian party, it does not totally capitulate to India. Similar case may be with the CPN-UML. UML, too, has both pro-Indian section and patriotic force in it. But India does not fully trust the UML. The relationship between the Maoists and New Delhi are also not smooth but have undergone many ups and down. It was definitely India’s support that helped broker a peace deal between the Maoists and Nepal’s seven parliamentary parties. India did so in the hope that the Maoists, which had been fighting a decade-long insurgency on the plank of patriotism, would come into New Delhi’s fold and would also support in settling Maoist insurgency within India as well. However, things did not go in accordance with India’s design and plan. The Maoists did not cave in to India’s pressure on several issues and raised the banner of patriotism when they went to power after emerging the largest force in the Constituent Assembly. Although the relations between the Maoists and India are in better place, there is still deficit of trust between them. Thus, India thought it necessary to create its own puppet forces so that New Delhi could always manipulate in Nepal’s politics. The Madhesi parties came in to serve this interest.

Now Madhesi parties are in government as well as on the streets. They have controlled over the government as well they are agitating on the streets. This is a design to control both the government and the street. This happened soon after SD Mehta urged the Madhesi leaders to launch violent agitation to press for a single Madhes state. This clearly tells who is controlling our parties especially the Madhes-based parties.

What SD Mehta spoke is as per the India’s long-term design in Nepal. The design is to initially bring Nepal under its security umbrella. The second-phase plan is to take control of Nepal’s political power through their agents and puppets and the third one is to ultimately annex Nepal into the Indian Union. The first strategy is called the Fiji process as it is being successfully executed in the small Pacific island nation. In Fiji people of Indian origin are in quite a good number. Indians went to Fiji in search of work and in course of time they settled their and obtained citizenship of Fiji. Now they are being instigated to take over political power for which New Delhi has provided material and moral support. What India has been exercising in Nepal at present is exactly the same as it has done in Fiji. The second strategy is Bhutanization, which seeks to take control of Nepal’s security and foreign policy and treat Nepal as its suzerain state. And third strategy is called Sikkimization, which includes the design to annex Nepal into Indian union in a similar fashion New Delhi did in 1975. All these designs are at work simultaneously.

But these designs are not likely to succeed as Nepalese people are patriotic and get united when its sovereignty and territorial integrity comes under real threat. But one thing all of us must understand is that whatever S D Mehta said was not his personal view and he did it in conscious manner under clear instruction and long-term plan of India. At this crucial moment all political parties and patriotic people must be united and condemn India’s ill-intention in the strongest manner."

Bhutan Annexation plan:
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"August 14, 2013 at 1:57 am#76887

Ley Goen Dong Zhi
Participant
“INDIA controls Bhutan as stated in http://www.globaltimes.cn andhttp://www.hindustan.com by Liu Zongyi, from Center for Strategic and International Studies and a research fellow at Shanghai Institutes for International Studies! A state-controlled English daily known for its hard-line stand against India said on Monday that New Delhi was treating neighbour Bhutan as its colony and had brazenly interfered in the recent elections in the Himalayan country to serve its own strategic needs. New Delhi, according to the piece in Global Times, will never allow Bhutan and China — which do not have a diplomatic relationship — to resolve a festering border dispute. China now wants to settle our border disputes with India, not with RGOB. How scary we are now……
While Bhutan was “firmly under Indian control”, the opinion piece added that India had earlier “annexed” Sikkim to maintain as a buffer with China and to protect the “Siliguri Corridor” that connects rest of India with the states in the northeast. He also added the PDP and the PM TT is India’s favoured candidates, TT has also shown the truth by bringing many issues during the campaign.
The last Prime Minister of the Himalayan Kingdom of Sikkim, Kazi Lhendup Dorji, who met an ignominious Death states in his article, “The pain of losing the Nation” says that, So much so that the Kazi was ignored even by Delhi. “I went out of my way to ensure the merger of Sikkim into India but after the work was done, the Indians just ignored me”, Kazi told me during an interview for Jana Astha weekly, nearly 11 years ago. “Earlier, I used to be given a ‘Red Carpet’ welcome. Now I have to wait for weeks even to meet second grade leaders.”
India openly supported the movement against King (Chogyal) Palden Thondup Namgyal. The then ADC to the King, Captain Sonam Yongda, claimed that soldiers of Indian Army in civil dress used to take part in the protests. Some of the protesters were brought from Darjeeling and the surrounding areas. The number of Sikkimese who took part in the protest was quite small. But that was enough.
Captured palace guards, hands raised high, were packed into trucks and taken away, singing: “Dela sil, li gi, gang changka chibso” (May my country keep blooming like a flower). But by then, the Indian tri-colour had replaced the Sikkimese flag at the palace where the 12th king of the Namgyal dynasty was held prisoner. “The Chogyal was a great believer in India. He had huge respect for Mahatma Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru. Not in his wildest dreams did he think India would ever gobble up his kingdom”, recalls Captain Sonam Yongda, the Chogyal’s aide-de-camp. Nehru himself had told journalist Kuldip Nayar in 1960: “Taking a small country like Sikkim by force would be like shooting a fly with a rifle.” Ironically it was Nehru’s daughter Indira Gandhi who cited ‘national interest’ to make Sikkim the 22nd state of the Indian union. During a meeting, LD Kazi clearly and confidently said that INDIA’S next target is Bhutan, India may try different strategies to annex Bhutan but it’s leader and people has remain alert but we really wonder how can we remain alert when our leader allows Indian Govt to interfere in our political affairs. It’s time for us ranging from our leader to public to be extra vigilant about our neighbor.
DR Karma Phuntsho, the oxford highly regarded scholar also said (in kuensel, Aug 13, 2013) that Bhutan Govt must thoroughly study the terms and conditions of before receiving the assistance from other countries. Dr Phuntsho also cautioned that Bhutan has to be very careful in terms of what it takes or receives from India. “As it is, Indo-Bhutan relation has become a channel for Indian influence – culturally, economically, politically and the worse I think is economic dependence on India, which we really have to address,” he said.

“If the current dependence continues, then the friendship that we have with India will never be an equally mutual friendship,” he said. “There will always be little problem in power dynamics.”
This clearly indicates that relying on one nation is not sustainable and not trustworthy.
While I was in Sikkim, Country and Kings Loyalist told me Crown prince was thrown below 800 meters in NamNang Cliff and younger brother was killed in chopper crash using remote control, king was in despair and his most valued and trustable Nation, India betrayed him. When king was sadly laid to rest they said that a celebration was held throughout the India.
Don’t you think such tragedy and event will held in our Country?
Current Indian Ambassador of Bhutan was Ambassador during the Sikkim and the Nepal uprising against the King and now he is in our country.
Can the people of Bhutan cannot think about the impact and consequences of our country now?
Can we tolerate of having Indian influence in our country’s political system and its tainted politicians?
Having known the truths in detail can we live silent now? This is my personal view for being Drukpa and being responsible citizen of this country.
Please think twice, thrice and let’s yearn for the best for our beloved Leaders, people and the country by keeping out the India’s influence/involvement in our political, sovereignty and security affairs.

August 14, 2013 at 1:00 pm#76962

analyst
Participant
Yes.. exactly ExPM fathomed and comprehended this and was on the path to have diplomatic relation with the entire countries of the world and not just China, which some * people overlooked this and banged on this issue which was good for the future of Bhutan, cheated the voters with the involvement of people from all walks of life… All in Bhutan being involved in it and it is sad to see our leaders blind to all these future possibilities unlike JYT who did. Tsawa sum of Bhutan will realize that what JYT did was right and must. But for the time being let us be ruled by the illegitimate government. But lets all be careful of our foreign policy despite illegitimacy. It is time that all institutions get up and see what you have not been seeing and JYT has been seen. Tsawa Sum.

August 14, 2013 at 1:01 pm#76969

My View
Participant
I still don’t know why Bhutanese couldn’t comprehend the dirty politics initiated by Indian Government and still couldn’t believe that our own so called leaders used the situation to vacillate votes to win the election. It is unquestionable that our sovereignty had been severely jeopardized by PDP and this might be the reason why JYT resigned so that he isn’t remembered in the history as one of the seller of Bhutan to India as a opposition leader. We are now treading on a very precarious way and PDP should think thousand times before we seek any grants from GoI. You don’t have to look for other examples on how Indian play tricks to annex their own neighbor. A small Kingdom of Sikkim is a fine example for PDP to look upon. I as a concerned Bhutanese would like to appeal TT to resign asap from the post of PM and allow capable leader JYT to rule Bhutan for another five years. He is the right person steer Bhutan to self-reliance and then we don’t have to rely heavily on Indian Government although we shall remain ever indebted for their support in the development of Bhutan.

Now it is time for Bhutanese to be more vigil and be pro-active as we have a government spearheaded by a leader who is just a puppet of Indian Government.

August 14, 2013 at 2:38 pm#77078

Dalimpa
Participant
Thanks to Ley Goen Dong Zhi for putting your referral points in the forum. what PDP can do when many Bhutanese are expecting bolero, helicopter and house rent allowance? every educated bhutanese lot knows that we don’t have our own money, not even to conduct our own elections, and how can we expect all these luxuries? so our politicians are apparently filling our hopes at the cost our country’s sovereignty and peacefulness. unless we demand our politician self-sustainability, which we can do if worked collaboratively, we will be succumbed to indian power sooner than later. this will not bring peace but remorse-too bitter to digest and late to rectify. Just think dear denizens and advocate towards contentment and self sufficiency………….

August 14, 2013 at 4:41 pm#77098

soi rigpa
Participant
Whatever support India has extended to Bhutan was done for a cause beneficial to the security of India only and nothing out of generosity to the people of Bhutan. If one contemplate deeply and compare the border security expenses incurred daily with other neighbor countries, the so called GOI support to Bhutan is a peanut if they have to maintain their border with China like they do in Arunachal & Ladak and perhaps Kashmir.

Indian Ambassador Mr. Haram as a matured diplomat should also realize the sensitivity of the Bhutanese people in general and advise New Delhi to make more mature and objective approach for mutual peaceful coexistence hereafter.

August 15, 2013 at 1:12 am#77147

Karma Jimba
Participant
I feel that the discussion above all revolves round ego and out of context “Buddhist principles”. The election wounds are at a healing stage and let us provide time to take it course of healing.

It is absolutely useless making diplomatic relationship with 100 countries when the most important neighbour can’t be nurtured. Let us follow the footsteps of our Monarchs.

Let us talk unbiased for the good of our country.

August 15, 2013 at 2:03 pm#77272

soi rigpa
Participant
Oi, Karma Jimba, for someone like you working in a war torn fanatic country, the terminology called Diplomacy is foreign for you. Therefore, do not talk about principles and worry about your own posting by nurturing your bosses which you are capable of. Do not worry about others.

August 16, 2013 at 1:42 am#76981

peoplevoice
Participant
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Author has rightly pointed out the facts regarding domination of Govt. of India in the internal affairs of Bhutan.Although, Govt. of India’s dirty game(black mailing) is not new to our leadership since the Pandit Jawarlal Nehru ji time.
However, I would like to bring some facts ( bad experiences) we had during the past 60 years of friendship with India as under ;
1.Kidnapping of so called little Shabdrung Rimpoche from eastern Bhutan and giving full protection to him and his followers till he died at Pedong in Kalimpong few years back. Such act of Government of India managed to divide our peaceful community in the line of religion and region and created some *
2.Granting shelter and protection to Tibetan refugee lady *
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4.Providing indirect supports to the *
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August 16, 2013 at 12:59 pm#77489

Patriotic
Participant
Dear all,
lets us stop it here. Let us not sensationalize our national security and sovereignty. If you all feel that there are problem, lets keep it in mind, be alert and work hard towards our goal. India is our good friend and help us a lot when our country is in need, and when we did not have anything. If they wanted to annex , they could have done it long time back. We are in 21st century now. For quite sometime now I never heard any country being annexed. instead quite often hear, all countries coming together to help disaster hit country. Whatever, with inherent diplomacy in our Bhutanese people and far sighted vision of our monarchs, no doubt our country would mover forward, which ever party comes to power. I am of the understanding and I truly believe that, the moment our leaders are awarded with dakyen, they would be guided by our choechong(deities). My fear is that, there could be some element of out side force in the forum stirring up things. and our so called analyst , starts pouring out every thing. Please bear in mind, that ours is a small country, least populated, critically located. we cannot afford to say anything we wish like that in other big countries. we have to be mindful of what we are saying and impact it would have on our country. But I am very hopeful that, India and china govts will understand that, not everyone who writes here are concern citizen of Bhutan.

To be very fair an honest on Lyonpo Jigme Y Thinley front, I for one accept, he is capable, far sighted and visionary, because of which he was made Minister for very very long time. He has served the king and nation to the best of his capability. similary, King and people has given him enough opportunity to serve. Now opportunity should be given to younger generation. With his capability and experience He should resign from party politics, relax and should be advising the new government on the matter of national importance. At the same time, government should acknowledge hi seniority and honour. People should stop backing him up or criticising him. This chapter has to be closed.

And finally let us not call ourselves buffer country between India and China. lets us not think that we are between two giant nations. Instead lets think that, we are between two big economies in the world. let us be proud that both India and China wants to help our nation. India is helping us because of our historical ties and the everlasting friendship that our monarchs have developed with them. It is also because, our country is able to provide them the most peaceful and exemplary bordering area in the world. let us not compare ourselves with Sikkim and Tibet. We are much better than that.

August 16, 2013 at 1:07 pm#77504

CanIsaySomething
Participant
lol in that case, lets not be friends with either one – China captured Tibet and India annexed Sikkim. Guess I cannot trust neither.

August 16, 2013 at 1:08 pm#77506

pholang
Participant
Dear Author,

I salute you for bringing such topic. As a citizen, we really got to see back and front equally not just forgetting tomorrow’s breed coz of today’s sweet.

And those bull headed short sighted egoistic rulers/politicians – doesn’t see beyond their very foot step. Try to come out of the box."
 
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Chicken neck will be broadened when the need arises.

We can just take the top 1/3 of BD. Only AL can save BD from that by co-operating with India and giving us the corridor.

BTW, they are doing an excellent job. :tup:
 
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India's fear of Chicken Neck:

Is it??

Chicken neck is not a problem, if war happens we have powerful navy in Bay of Bengal and carriers to launch strikes from there. Chinese supply lines will be cut off and the lost territory will be regained.

Most of the analysis you have presented and alliances you are suggesting have some flaws.
 
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Has it hurt the US? Is US still not a superpower? Everyone think America the empire is going to disintegrate they are jokers. Are there any countries willing to risk a front on war with US?
You can spin anyway you like, but USA will remain superpower until some country or countries can destroy their military complex, which is not going to happen in our lifetime.
China can grow 10%/year for the next decade but US will still be superpower

Eh, this kind of thing takes time. Take UK for example, the decline of UK starts at WWI and it took almost a century for the British empire to decay to its current point and will probably take a few more decades for UK is become just another average country. The same thing goes with US, so what if it will take another 50 years? 50 years is a rather short time comparing to the length of Chinese civilization.
 
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Eh, this kind of thing takes time. Take UK for example, the decline of UK starts at WWI and it took almost a century for the British empire to decay to its current point and will probably take a few more decades for UK is become just another average country. The same thing goes with US, so what if it will take another 50 years? 50 years is a rather short time comparing to the length of Chinese civilization.
UK became weak because they suffered military defeat in ww2 under Germany. For the US to fall, they have to suffer huge military defeat that;s my whole point. China's economy can be $26trillion and US can be $20trillion , but as long as their military remains intact they will still be superpower.
 
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Good to see you back @kalu_miah

I have read the Chinese posts on this thread and it seems that China will continue to concentrate on economic and military growth and refrain from involvement elsewhere. However, this implies that the timing is solely in the hands of China. To some extent the Russian annexation of Crimea has bought China some time but this is not indefinite. With three world leaders appearing on the international scene at the same time with aggressive intent (Putin, Modi, Abe) will bring more unpredictability and uncertainty and China may not have the luxury of biding its time. The same comment also applies to the West but they are at present China obsessed. These are very dangerous times and China may not be able to resist the volatile situation and should start taking precautions now.
 
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UK became weak because they suffered military defeat in ww2 under Germany. For the US to fall, they have to suffer huge military defeat that;s my whole point. China's economy can be $26trillion and US can be $20trillion , but as long as their military remains intact they will still be superpower.

UK won WWII and they won WWI as well.

UK and US's relationship back then is pretty much exact the same to the current relationship between US and China. US became the largest industrial nation in the world in 1900, just like China did in 2010. However, its military ranking in the world was way behind countries like UK and France. For the first 30 years in 20th century, US was largely known as a major industrial power, but technologically behind Europeans and accused of copying "superior" Europe tech and lack innovation. In fact, it had pretty much the exact same problem China has today, which is, not enough time and investment into fundamentally research and its industrial revolution was much latter than Europe.

It is pretty interesting what US was like at the beginning of 20th century. The situation back then was so similar to today that history has indeed come full circle.
 
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UK won WWII and they won WWI as well.

UK and US's relationship back then is pretty much exact the same to the current relationship between US and China. US became the largest industrial nation in the world in 1900, just like China did in 2010. However, its military ranking in the world is way behind countries like UK and France. For the first 30 years in 20th century, US largely known as a major industrial power, but technologically behind Europeans and accused of copying "superior" Europe tech and lack innovation. In fact, it had almost pretty much the exact same problem China has today, which is, not enough time and investment into fundamentally research and its industrial revolution was much latter than Europe.

It is pretty interesting what US was like at the beginning of 20th century. The situation back then was so similar to today that history has indeed come full circle.

I know UK won ww1 and 2 with allies help, but it crippled their military. You're correct about the US manufacturing vs UK and France at the turn of 20th century.
 
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Chicken neck will be broadened when the need arises.

We can just take the top 1/3 of BD. Only AL can save BD from that by co-operating with India and giving us the corridor.

BTW, they are doing an excellent job. :tup:

Jamatis keep forgetting that they have a chicken neck of their own and it would take India only a few hours to separate Rangpur division from BD to expand the chicken neck if it comes down to that.

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I know of people in Bangladesh who are disappointed with China's hands off approach in Bangladesh.

By that I am assuming you are talking about yourself and your fellow jamati cronies. China doesn't give a flying **** about you lot and was one of the first countries to congratulate Hasina. I know you had high hopes from China but after the recent terrorist attacks that emanated from Xinxiang, China is not exactly friendly to you hardline Islamists. They also see that you guys are trying hard to get US support, some of you are even willing to have a US base, if anything China would support the current govt more.
 
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Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan and 8 sister states are going nowhere in a few decades. We will suffer the big neighbors abuse during this time, but it will be worth the wait, when China is finally ready and have a more assertive and interventionist foreign policy. Bangladesh provides the crucial sea access for 230 million people to the east and north of Chicken Neck, even if Myanmar is unwilling. All of this is of course related to recovery of South Tibet for China. Good things come to people who are willing to wait.
stop ranting against NE... AP is not important to the china.... Powerful India is added advantage to the china...India never been towards west in its Foriegn policy... we oppose west in numerous occasions. ..
 
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I know UK won ww1 and 2 with allies help, but it crippled their military. You're correct about the US manufacturing vs UK and France at the turn of 20th century.

Exactly, now imagine this story:

There is a country which is the strongest nation in the world. Its vast military and economic power brought countless lands under the country's control and its influence spreads across the global. Said country has a historic rival, who sits on the opposite side of a sea channel. The rival is almost fighting the super power for influence, but couldn't quite match them.

Then comes another country which formed on the other side of the ocean. This freshly formed country fought a war against the super power and with some assistance from the super power's rival and won the war. (Though the superpower will insist for many years that it didn't lose, it merely withdrawn from the fight). The newly formed country then set out to establish its border, which brought it in conflict with its neighbors and they went through many conflicts and each time, the superpower would try to contain the newly formed country by backing these neighbors.

Eventually, the newly formed country (which by this point has already spend quite some time building its infrastructure and educate its people) would surpass the old superpower in industrial and economy, but the super power and its peer will sneer and says "those XXX can product stuff, but its all low quality. They only copy our technology and never come up with anything new". Meanwhile, the old superpower is still fighting wars all over the world and spreading their influence in the order to "enlightening" the locals, but it has finally over extend itself and while it still won war after war, its economy collapsed under years of warmongering and the formerly newly formed industrial power house gleefully took over their markets despite the old superpower's protest how "inferior goods" are taking over their consumers.

Guess which countries is this story about? If you say UK and US in the 1900s with the rival being France, you would be right and if you say US and China in 2000s with the rival being USSR, you would also be right. See, history is frighteningly similar.
 
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Exactly, now imagine this story:

There is a country which is the strongest nation in the world. Its vast military and economic power brought countless lands under the country's control and its influence spreads across the global. Said country has a historic rival, who sits on the opposite side of a sea channel. The rival is almost fighting the super power for influence, but couldn't quite match them.

Then comes another country which formed on the other side of the ocean. This freshly formed country fought a war against the super power and with some assistance from the super power's rival and won the war. (Though the superpower will insist for many years that it didn't lose, it merely withdrawn from the fight). The newly formed country then set out to establish its border, which brought it in conflict with its neighbors and they went through many conflicts and each time, the superpower would try to contain the newly formed country by backing these neighbors.

Eventually, the newly formed country (which by this point has already spend quite some time building its infrastructure and educate its people) would surpass the old superpower in industrial and economy, but the super power and its peer will sneer and says "those XXX can product stuff, but its all low quality. They only copy our technology and never come up with anything new". Meanwhile, the old superpower is still fighting wars all over the world and spreading their influence in the order to "enlightening" the locals, but it has finally over extend itself and while it still won war after war, its economy collapsed under years of warmongering and the formerly newly formed industrial power house gleefully took over their markets despite the old superpower's protest how "inferior goods" are taking over their consumers.

Guess which countries is this story about? If you say UK and US in the 1900s with the rival being France, you would be right and if you say US and China in 2000s with the rival being USSR, you would also be right. See, history is frighteningly similar.

I agree with you. :tup: History goes in cycles.

The American cheerleaders will never understand it.
 
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@kalu_miah
how can you guarantee you guys are not another bunch of back-stabbers like the the vietcongs, the indians etc?
 
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@kalu_miah
how can you guarantee you guys are not another bunch of back-stabbers like the the vietcongs, the indians etc?

There is a big difference, Vietnam and India are opposed to Chinese interests. When China grows stronger, they grow more worried.

Bangladesh on the other hand has no such issue. When China grows stronger, it is good for Bangladesh too.

Geopolitics is all about the alignment of interests.
 
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