The Chinese 'Invasion' Of Siberia Is A Myth

[Lux de Veritas]

Outer Mongolian has already brainwashed by the Soviet and nationalism, I don't think there is a chance that they will even return to China. Although Inner Mongolian (Golden Family) are the real posterity of the founders of Yuan Dynasty and most of them support "大中華", they may turn the side to their "northern brother" because of those large amount of ignorant Han chauvinists 皇漢 in China.

I may not agree. So far I haven met or seen in forum Mongols seriously wanting to go independence. The Manchus even though shittted on by Han in ROC 驱逐鞑虏恢复中华, support China integration, instead of supporting "fake Manchukuo".

The Manchus see themselves as Chinese because China open all offices and opportunities to Manchus. Similarly the Chinese Koreans do not support independence. The Yanbian Korean Autonomous Prefecture are Koreans. The North and South Koreans are mofos and they will jump in upon any chance to agitate Korean independence. Remember how South Korea stir up the Goguryeo issues 高句丽, and try to claim Manchuria. The North Koreans wanted the entire Changbai Mountains.

Nevertheless, the Chinese Koreans tell them to fxxx off. The Han Chinese are so non racist and given Chinese Koreans so much opportunities that Chinese Koreans think they are Chinese. They do not have affinity with Koreas.

 

[Pangu]

The amount of Chinese who still feel strongly about the "lost territories" are a miniscule bunch, most thrive on the internet to sow discord & fears. The deal was struck between China & Russia settling all territorial dispute, and so it will stay as such. Even outer Mongolia, IMO, can stay the way it is. The Russians, who lived for ages around the taiga belt know how to build their lives there, that's why they are successful in conquering even Siberia & RFE, especially when they industrialized along with Europe, which gave them the edge over the locals.

The goal now is to continue the work in integrating the vast Eurasin heartland into a prosperous economic belt, such as the Silk Road, so that all can benefit from it. There is no invasion of RFE by China, if there is, then it's the invasion of Chinese capital in Russia's economy.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Outer Mongolian has already brainwashed by the Soviet and nationalism, I don't think there is a chance that they will even return to China. Although Inner Mongolian (Golden Family) are the real posterity of the founders of Yuan Dynasty and most of them support "大中華", they may turn the side to their "northern brother" because of those large amount of ignorant Han chauvinists 皇漢 in China.

Huanghan is the trojan implanted by the US, most of them are KMT supporters.

you do realize that almost all countries you counted arent inhabited by Chinese but different people? And in comparison outer manchuria today is almost 100% Russian. These territories belonged to tungaistic and kroean people before china but for some reason none of the asians was able to built there anything until russians came and made some cities like vladivostock and khabarovsk.
Its funny how so many asians claim lands from us but when they owned it for centuries they werent able to build any cities for some reason.

Well, because Manchus are Tungusic people, they viewed the entire Manchuria as their sacred ancestral territory, so they forbade the Sinic Chinese to immigrate to Manchuria.

Today many inner Manchurian cities are also very developed, just look at Harbin and Dalian.

 

[Grand Historian]

Koreans have no claim to Manchuria other than being conquered by Fuyu people.

Even their claim to Changbaishan is ridiculous,Joseon era texts call it a "barbarian" mountain and it was only the Altaic Narrative of Shin Chaeho that changed the outlook.

However keep in mind Manchuria is a Western concept and the Manchus considered themselves "Chinese".

 

[Sanchez]

Given Chinese ambitions for the South China Sea, why are you confident that the vast natural resources of a lightly populated Russian Far East will not eventually temp China? China doesn't need to populate the area to put a claim on it, just like it doesn't need to populate the SCS to put in a claim there.

There are a lot more in the world than just hamburgers and fried chicken.

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

There are a lot more in the world than just hamburgers and fried chicken.

Thus..?

 

[Sanchez]

you do realize that almost all countries you counted arent inhabited by Chinese but different people? And in comparison outer manchuria today is almost 100% Russian. These territories belonged to tungaistic and kroean people before china but for some reason none of the asians was able to built there anything until russians came and made some cities like vladivostock and khabarovsk.
Its funny how so many asians claim lands from us but when they owned it for centuries they werent able to build any cities for some reason.

Your "vladivostock" was called Haishenwei in Chinese, and "Nikolayevsk-na-Amure" was called Miaojie that was the capital city of Chinese administration in the area. Chinese control of the area was from Ming dynasty around 1409 before the Manchus.

I don't see Russians build any big modern day cities in the northpole nor Alaska as you claimed sovereignty. Anyway, Chinese then weren't even smart enough to sell the Eastern Siberia to you for a few US dollars.

 

[senheiser]

Your "vladivostock" was called Haishenwei in Chinese, and "Nikolayevsk-na-Amure" was called Miaojie that was the capital city of Chinese administration in the area. Chinese control of the area was from Ming dynasty around 1409 before the Manchus.

I don't see Russians build any cities in the northpole nor Alaska as you claimed sovereignty. Chinese then weren't even smart enough to sell the Eastern Siberia to you for a few US dollars
then

russia sold alaska because we lost crimean war and we thought it would better selling it to america than losing it to britain as it would be impossible to defend.

So why are there no ruins from Chinese and other asian civilizations in outer manchuria? its very dubious imo. Russia didnt owned alaska as long as china owned outer manchuria. But we we have remnants left in california
Fort Ross, California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Sanchez]

russia sold alaska because we lost crimean war and we thought it would better selling it to america than losing it to britain as it would be impossible to defend.

So why are there no ruins from Chinese and other asian civilizations in outer manchuria? its very dubious imo. Russia didnt owned alaska as long as china owned outer manchuria. But we we have remnants left in california
Fort Ross, California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

After Ming fell into hands of Manchus, Han and other non Manchus were forbidden to cross the great wall and to enter the whole Manchu area, until the large number of hungry Korean refugees moved in and settled in 1859.

Do you not know that Haishenwei was a fishery and trade center for Chinese at old times? There are Chinese monuments and stories to learn in the local museums.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

After Ming fell into hands of Manchus, Han and other non Manchus were forbidden to cross the great wall and to enter the whole Manchu area, until the large number of hungry Korean refugees moved in and settled in 1859.

Do you not know that Haishenwei was a fishery and trade center for Chinese at old times? There are Chinese monuments and stories to learn in the local museums.

It is useless to discuss the historical claim right now.

Since the modern border was defined by the outcome of the WWII, and blame the short-sightness of the Chinese emperors.

Like the eastern France was the old German territory, but there is nothing Germany can do today even it is the leader of EU, but to cooperate with France.

But the only thing that i think is unfair; as China being a major victor of the WWII, we shouldn't have Outer Mongolia stripped away from us by that Georgian Josef Stalin.

Outer Mongolia remained as our integral territory until after the WWII, it should belong to us.

If Russia wanna reclaim Central Asia, then we should reclaim Outer Mongolia as well.

 

[Jlaw]

It is useless to discuss the historical claim right now.

Since the modern border was defined by the outcome of the WWII, and blame the short-sightness of the Chinese emperors.

Like the eastern France was the old German territory, but there is nothing Germany can do today even it is the leader of EU, but to cooperate with France.

But the only thing that i think is unfair; as China being a major victor of the WWII, we shouldn't have Outer Mongolia stripped away from us by that Georgian Josef Stalin.

Outer Mongolia remains as our integral territory until after the WWII, it should belong to us.

If Russia wanna reclaim Central Asia, then we should reclaim Outer Mongolia as well.

What was Mao's view regarding outer Mongolia?

 

[Sanchez]

It is useless to discuss the historical claim right now.

Since the modern border was defined by the outcome of the WWII, and blame the short-sightness of the Chinese emperors.

Like the eastern France was the old German territory, but there is nothing Germany can do today even it is the leader of EU, but to cooperate with France.

But the only thing that i think is unfair; as China being a major victor of the WWII, we shouldn't have Outer Mongolia stripped away from us by that Georgian Josef Stalin.

Outer Mongolia remains as our integral territory until after the WWII, it should belong to us.

If Russia wanna reclaim Central Asia, then we should reclaim Outer Mongolia as well.

We are not discussing claims but history or historical remains. China has inked border agreements with Russia and Mongolia, so any future "claim" would be a wet dream.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

What was Mao's view regarding outer Mongolia?

The independence of Outer Mongolia was also a factor of the later Sino-Soviet split.

Mao of course was extremely pissed about this betrayal by his Soviet comrade.

 

[Sanchez]

The independence of Outer Mongolia was also a factor of the later Sino-Soviet split.

Mao of course was extremely pissed about this betrayal by his Soviet comrade.

Outer Mongolia became independent in 1924 when CCP was still a baby follower of Soviet.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Outer Mongolia became independent in 1924 when CCP was still a baby follower of Soviet.

But the official independence was declared in 1946.

Back in 1924, Xinjiang and Tibet were no better than Outer Mongolia, but the difference is that KMT didn't accept its independence, so this leaves CPC a reason to reclaim it back.

KMT shouldn't accept the independence of Outer Mongolia just to beg USSR to stop their support for CPC. If they didn't sign the treaty, CPC could reclaim Outer Mongolia just like it did to Xinjiang and Tibet.