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The Cheapest kill -2

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The cheapest kill of 1971 war has been well documented by Kaiser Tufail in his book on the India / Pakistan air wars and also in his Aeronaut blog. It showed how the ingenuity and fast thinking of a Pakistani radar operator caused panic at the IAF station Amritsar resulting in the loss of a Gnat fighter aircraft of the IAF.

http://kaiser-aeronaut.blogspot.co.uk/2008/11/cheapest-kill.html


However it has now emerged that some years later in the period of Kargil hostilities, the IAF suffered a double mishap as it tried to respond to a PAF threat of air violation, however the second loss could have been avoided had the Indian air controller carried out the proper practice.
In August 1999, the India / Pakistan hostilities were at a peak, a PN Atlantique aircraft had been shot down by India and the tension on the borders was at knife edge. There were constant air patrols, each side was monitoring the other around the clock resulting in aircraft being constantly scrambled. One of these resulted in two IAF MiG-21s being scrambled from an airfield in Indian occupied Kashmir, in the heat of the moment, while baring down the runway, No 2 MiG got caught in the leaders slipstream and began losing control and it's pilot proceeded to eject, the Indian air controller watching in horror panicked and gave the call for eject without referring to No2, the MiG leader who was by this time airborne assumed that the call is for him so he also promptly proceed to eject.
Whether an air violation by the PAF materialised on that day or not but it certainly caused the IAF the loss of two aircraft.
 
.even ..micky mouse comic has a better script...:close_tema:
..poor jammer...:tdown:
I suggest you stick to watching your cartoons.

18th August 1999
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Indian A. F. MiG-21Bis Srinagar AFB Take Off from Srinagar AFB No.2 in a two aircraft take off. Pilot was too close to No.1 and lost control in the slipstream and crashed after take off. ATC called out for him to eject. No1 in the formation responded to the wrong call and ejected Flying Officer G S Dhindsar
18th August 1999
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Indian A. F. MiG-21Bis Srinagar AFB. Take Off from Srinagar AFB No.1 in a two aircraft take off. Responded to a misguided 'Eject' Call given by the ATC to Flying Officer Dhindsar who was the No.2 Flight Lieutenant K S Deswal
 
I suggest you stick to watching your cartoons.

18th August 1999
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Indian A. F. MiG-21Bis Srinagar AFB Take Off from Srinagar AFB No.2 in a two aircraft take off. Pilot was too close to No.1 and lost control in the slipstream and crashed after take off. ATC called out for him to eject. No1 in the formation responded to the wrong call and ejected Flying Officer G S Dhindsar
18th August 1999
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Indian A. F. MiG-21Bis Srinagar AFB. Take Off from Srinagar AFB No.1 in a two aircraft take off. Responded to a misguided 'Eject' Call given by the ATC to Flying Officer Dhindsar who was the No.2 Flight Lieutenant K S Deswal

This article is an excerpted chapter from Air Cdre Kaiser Tufail's book, Great Air Battles of Pakistan Air Force, published by Ferozsons (Pvt) Ltd, 2005.


Buddy any credible news source......?? apart from a blog you are referring to...!!
 
This article is an excerpted chapter from Air Cdre Kaiser Tufail's book, Great Air Battles of Pakistan Air Force, published by Ferozsons (Pvt) Ltd, 2005.


Buddy any credible news source......?? apart from a blog you are referring to...!!
What could be more credible than the official history of the IAF, which admits to the loss.
 
This article is an excerpted chapter from Air Cdre Kaiser Tufail's book, Great Air Battles of Pakistan Air Force, published by Ferozsons (Pvt) Ltd, 2005.


Buddy any credible news source......?? apart from a blog you are referring to...!!
Here you go... next time be careful when you comment.
http://www.warbirds.in/Crashes/crdetails.php?crno=382

http://www.warbirds.in/Crashes/crdetails.php?crno=383

http://www.warbirds.in/Crashes/crpa...te=&fmmonth=&fmyear=&todate=&tomonth=&toyear=
 
Here on this form we come for discussion, don't give lectures I didn't even quote you so take it easy
It was not a lecture but an advice. The Blog and Book that were quoted are publications of a well known author hence are considered authentic. One can not publish something without any proof, you might disagree to authors views but not the facts.

As you said it is for discussion hence any one can reply to what ever is posted for discussion. One does not require the other to specifically quote the person. No hard feelings.
 
Given the title of the thread is "cheapest kill", let me remind another cheaper instance of Kill, where a Jeep mounted M40 Recoil less rifle of the 23rd Bat, Punjab Regiment, knocked out one Sherman and 3 type 59 Tanks of the Invading 22Cav of the PA, which was followed later by utter decimation of the 22 Cav in the 71 conflict. Not to Mention in the 65 conflict the same same Jeep mounted 105mm M40 Of Abdul Hamid (PVC) knocking out five M48 Pattons in Broad Daylight, although that instance was not cheap at all , on contrary the most expensive for the IA.
I believe this is the ''Air warfare'' section and the cheapest kill implies that not a single round was fired or in the first instance not a gallon of fuel was expanded.....here's another example.

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Does a Panicking Air Force blowing up its own frigate count? Not a round fired or a gallon of fuel spent?


I believe this is the ''Air warfare'' section and the cheapest kill implies that not a single round was fired or in the first instance not a gallon of fuel was expanded.....here's another example.

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