First UAV Air-to-Air Kill

[Irfan Baloch]

Care to explain ? Don't put any Pakistan news channel here. The so called Su 30MKI escorted out by F 16 story is something am yet to find and you are telling me that F16 carrying Sidewinder scrambled to lock on with BVR laden SU 30MKI. Pure BS.

I understand
but hurt is evident

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Any reason why 2 F7's and 2 mirages couldn't spot the Uav but the F16 did? Also wonder why didn't the F16 try a gun kill? the little Uav wasn't going anywhere

First UAV Air-to-Air Kill

check out Russian Mig 29 and Israeli F-16 taking out the "little UAV" with their missiles. the area Indian Air force has been intruding for years is has a pivotal importance from the defence point of view and if Pakistan deploys long range SAMs there then they have the ability to engage Indian planes inside the Indian airspace. the IAF missions are what we call location.. where the incursions are intended to provoke a reaction of the enemy to betray its position. IAF is looking for radar and SAM signatures for its contingency planning.
re gun kill I am not sure how easy or hard it is for PAF pilot to score it against a very slow target at night. maybe other airforces have had a better luck but so far I have only seen missile engagements of the aircrafts.

why F-7s or mirages were not deployed...? its a valid question but my answer is controversial and please take it as an opinion.
since we got the MLU and 52 blocks, there was an understanding on the Indian side that these F-16s wont be able to engage or lock Indian airforce assets .. maybe there was some underlying message passed by the PAF,

the closest and most appropriate assets will be scrambled to engage a boggy before it reaches somewhere its shouldnt be or before it completes its mission and leaves the airspace. as it happens it was F-16s in each time whether to escort out the Indian Su30s or the drone. F-16s also nullify a possible chance of baiting or an ambush. last time we scrambled JF-17s to force land the Indian helicopter in northern areas so the chance of other planes is always there.
@Windjammer please confirm

 

[MilSpec]

First UAV Air-to-Air Kill

check out Russian Mig 29 and Israeli F-16 taking out the "little UAV" with their missiles. the area Indian Air force has been intruding for years is has a pivotal importance from the defence point of view and if Pakistan deploys long range SAMs there then they have the ability to engage Indian planes inside the Indian airspace. the IAF missions are what we call location.. where the incursions are intended to provoke a reaction of the enemy to betray its position. IAF is looking for radar and SAM signatures for its contingency planning.
re gun kill I am not sure how easy or hard it is for PAF pilot to score it against a very slow target at night. maybe other airforces have had a better luck but so far I have only seen missile engagements of the aircrafts.

why F-7s or mirages were not deployed...? its a valid question but my answer is controversial and please take it as an opinion.
since we got the MLU and 52 blocks, there was an understanding on the Indian side that these F-16s wont be able to engage or lock Indian airforce assets .. maybe there was some underlying message passed by the PAF,

the closest and most appropriate assets will be scrambled to engage a boggy before it reaches somewhere its shouldnt be or before it completes its mission and leaves the airspace. as it happens it was F-16s in each time whether to escort out the Indian Su30s or the drone. F-16s also nullify a possible chance of baiting or an ambush. last time we scrambled JF-17s to force land the Indian helicopter in northern areas so the chance of other planes is always there.
@Windjammer please confirm

I thought I read 2 F7's and 2 Mirages couldn't spot the uav? Was it a flir catch or spotted on the radar?

 

[GORKHALI]

I understand
but hurt is evident

As you only believe in fairy tales from Pakistan media. Let me tell you in logical way

Incident occurred on July 2008 per Pakistan News channel. And you got your AMRAAM on Oct 2009

Pakistan joins AMRAAM club in biggest-ever buy

So you are saying that you scrambled your F16 loaded with WVR(In this case the Sidewinders) to fight with Su 30mki(BVR-R77M).Is that what best you can say here?Are we looking at some sword fight here when IAF got a Sniper.
If you keep fanboy fantasies aside,1st of there is no Su 30MKI got escorted by F16 as there No Su30MKI ever crossed over..

Just because you haven't heard about it doesn't mean it never happened, there is plenty articles describing this incident and has the GOI ever denied it. ....Can you even comprehend what capabilities did PAF had in 2002 let alone in 2008, besides your super duper MKIs were reportedly acting as a bomb trucks.
They say a picture is equal to a thousand words, see if it opens your eyes to the psyche of the subject or even rings some bells elsewhere. BTW, ever wondered why the bad weather always has effect on Indian flying.

What you trying by putting a pic over here ?

1st Kill of Naval Long range Recce plane in subcontinent. #Aug 10

 

[Irfan Baloch]

As you only believe in fairy tales from Pakistan media. Let me tell you in logical way

Incident occurred on July 2008 per Pakistan News channel. And you got your AMRAAM on Oct 2009


So you are saying that you scrambled your F16 loaded with WVR(In this case the Sidewinders) to fight with Su 30mki(BVR-R77M).Is that what best you can say here?Are we looking at some sword fight here when IAF got a Sniper.
If you keep fanboy fantasies aside,1st of there is no Su 30MKI got escorted by F16 as there No Su30MKI ever crossed over..


What you trying by putting a pic over here ?

1st Kill of Naval Long range Recce plane in subcontinent. #Aug 10

please dont watch this video

it will hurt you even further... @Windjammer just like this video above, next time we will ensure to get western reporters so that our Indian friends dont have memory loss. and denial syndrome

 

[acetophenol]

Remains of the AIM-9L seeker that is suspected to have downd the UAV.

Portion of the UAV tail section is now on display outside PAF 9 Sqn home. The plaque credits - Sqn Ldr Zulfiqar Ayub and Sqn Ldr Afzal Aman for the kill, indicating that the fighter was a F-16B.

Note that IAF does not paint any roundels or national markings on UAV.

Portion of the UAV tail section is now on display outside PAF 9 Sqn home. The plaque credits - Sqn Ldr Zulfiqar Ayub and Sqn Ldr Afzal Aman for the kill, indicating that the fighter was a F-16B.
Portion of the UAV tail section is now on display outside PAF 9 Sqn home. The plaque credits - Sqn Ldr Zulfiqar Ayub and Sqn Ldr Afzal Aman for the kill, indicating that the fighter was a F-16B.
Portion of the UAV tail section is now on display outside PAF 9 Sqn home. The plaque credits - Sqn Ldr Zulfiqar Ayub and Sqn Ldr Afzal Aman for the kill, indicating that the fighter was a F-16B.
Portion of the UAV tail section is now on display outside PAF 9 Sqn home. The plaque credits - Sqn Ldr Zulfiqar Ayub and Sqn Ldr Afzal Aman for the kill, indicating that the fighter was a F-16B.​

 

[Windjammer]

please dont watch this video

it will hurt you even further... @Windjammer just like this video above, next time we will ensure to get western reporters so that our Indian friends dont have memory loss. and denial syndrome

@Irfan Baloch
Or we can simply post pictures to show why PAF is biggest distributor of IAF spare parts.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

@Irfan Baloch
Or we can simply post pictures to show why PAF is biggest distributor of IAF spare parts.

should we help our Indian blowhard naysayer with the pictures of two shot down Indian jets during Kargil war as well?

@GORKHALI do you mind if we use the picture above in our ANZA export brochure?

this shows that our ground based air defence is not behind PAF when we are taking out IAF

 

[GORKHALI]

Remains of the AIM-9L seeker that is suspected to have downd the UAV.

Portion of the UAV tail section is now on display outside PAF 9 Sqn home. The plaque credits - Sqn Ldr Zulfiqar Ayub and Sqn Ldr Afzal Aman for the kill, indicating that the fighter was a F-16B.

Note that IAF does not paint any roundels or national markings on UAV.

Portion of the UAV tail section is now on display outside PAF 9 Sqn home. The plaque credits - Sqn Ldr Zulfiqar Ayub and Sqn Ldr Afzal Aman for the kill, indicating that the fighter was a F-16B.
Portion of the UAV tail section is now on display outside PAF 9 Sqn home. The plaque credits - Sqn Ldr Zulfiqar Ayub and Sqn Ldr Afzal Aman for the kill, indicating that the fighter was a F-16B.
Portion of the UAV tail section is now on display outside PAF 9 Sqn home. The plaque credits - Sqn Ldr Zulfiqar Ayub and Sqn Ldr Afzal Aman for the kill, indicating that the fighter was a F-16B.
Portion of the UAV tail section is now on display outside PAF 9 Sqn home. The plaque credits - Sqn Ldr Zulfiqar Ayub and Sqn Ldr Afzal Aman for the kill, indicating that the fighter was a F-16B.​

No wonder you digressing from the question I asked,I never doubt the searcher II shot down as we shot down Italian Falco.But you failed to answer Su30 fairy tail story..Oh look we escorted an IAF fighter.Else chodo ap se nahi hoga....

 

[acetophenol]

No wonder you digressing from the question I asked,I never doubt the searcher II shot down as we shot down Italian Falco.But you failed to answer Su30 fairy tail story..Oh look we escorted an IAF fighter.Else chodo ap se nahi hoga....

You are quoting the wrong guy mate!

 

[GORKHALI]

And don't put marde momin videos.We know how to change the geography in 16 days.

 

[acetophenol]

should we help our Indian blowhard naysayer with the pictures of two shot down Indian jets during Kargil war as well?

@GORKHALI do you mind if we use the picture above in our ANZA export brochure?

this shows that our ground based air defence is not behind PAF when we are taking out IAF

Also include the some 7000 sorties that IAF flew during the kargil and also the several 1000s of explosives delivered on enemy positions,including PGMs. Also include the second searcher that returned safely after several hours of flying . You can also include the pics of our Foxbats that flew inside your territory unquestioned,the brochure will look attractive then!

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Also include the some 7000 sorties that IAF flew during the kargil and also the several 1000s of explosives delivered on enemy positions,including PGMs. Also include the second searcher that returned safely after several hours of flying . You can also include the pics of our Foxbats that flew inside your territory unquestioned,the brochure will look attractive then!

thank you puppu g..

but these ones didnt get away with it

 

[acetophenol]

thank you puppu g..

but these ones didnt get away with it

You are welcome mate,
also,A Canberra was also hit by a MANPAD,which was the first hit of the war. It would've crashed had the escort MiG-29 not guided it. Also,the MiG-27 was downed due to engine flameout due to fumes intake from a rocket attack. The Mi-8 and MiG-21 were hit down by MANPADs. Also,a Mi-8 carrying journos to the atlantique crash site was also hit by a MANPAD,but landed safely.

 

[Windjammer]

UPDATE | Dec 14, 2008, AM: TROOPS ON THE MOVE?

A number of people travelling between Lahore and Rawalpindi over the past two days have reported that a heavy redeployment by the army was under way.

“Long convoys of military trucks are heading towards Lahore from Jehlum,” Jawad Khan, a motorist, told Dawn.

UPDATE | Dec 14, 2008, PM: Aircraft Descriptions:

Lahore: 2x Indian Air Force Su-30 (armed) – intercepted and escorted out by 3x Pakistan Air Force F-16s and 3x F-7s
Muzaffarabad: 3x Indian Air Force Mirage 2000 (armed) – intercepted and escorted out by 2x Pakistan Air Force F-16s and 2x F-7s.

UPDATE | Dec 14, 2008, PM: Emergency declared at Shorkot, Sarghoda airbases

SARGHODA: Emergency has been declared at Shorkot and Sarghoda airbases on Sunday after India violated Pakistan air spaces twice on Saturday by sending its fire jets.

According to sources, Indian Air Force sent its fighter jets into Pakistan air spaces on Saturday in Lahore and Kashmir areas which were forced to go back by Pakistani fighter jets.

UPDATE | Dec 14, 2008, PM: Army Confirms Artillery Movement

LAHORE: The Pakistan Army moved medium and heavy military artillery vehicles from the Lahore Cantonment area to the north of Punjab on Saturday, causing a scare in the minds of the general public about an eminent offensive with India.

However, the Director-General of the Inter-Services Public Relations, Major-General Athar Abbas, described the military movement as being part of routine winter military exercises.

A statement issued by the ISPR said the 10th Corps was returning to the Lahore Cantonment after completing its winter exercises while the 11th Corps was moving to Jhelum to replace it.

Earlier, The News reported that hundreds of medium and heavy artillery vehicles had moved out of the Lahore Cantonment area along the Motorway north of Punjab. It also said that there was movement of artillery from the Tilla Range in Jhelum towards Lahore. (ANI)

And don't put marde momin videos.We know how to change the geography in 16 days.

Lets talk about when Pakistan didn't had to fight a war 1000 miles away with an air force ratio of 10 : 1 against it..... Paralysed for almost a year.

Casualties[edit]

The standoff inflicted heavy casualties. About 789[24] to 1,874 Indian soldiers were killed or were injured during the mobilization exercise, a majority of them as a result of mine laying operations.[25]

Cost of standoff[edit]
The Indian cost for the buildup was

216 billion (US$3.7 billion) being much greater than that of Pakistan's $1.4 billion.[26]