the Call of Ottoman Empire ..

[rockstar08]

Well, i think if Muslims betraying each other we can't talk of Ummah

brother , you are right , we have history of betraying our own people ...so if i ask , how the Ottoman Empire people respond to call of Jihad from Sultan ?

Well, you can jump in a plane and come Turkey within a day....how would you come a century ago ?? How would you contact people, organize yourself. Today these things can be organized very easily but not back then.

so basically you are putting whole weight on the ways to travel ... that makes sense ...

Indian Muslims did launch an ill fated tehrik e Khalafat but were looted on their way to turkey by the robbers.

who looted them ? i hope its not house of Saud , or Pirates of the Arabian

 

[atatwolf]

my grandfather's grandfather also fought in war never saw ataturk make republic he die fighting russians

My grand greatfather fought in the Yildirim brigade:
Yildirim Army Group - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Khalid Newazi]

Yesterday i was Watching a video about the fall of Ottoman empire, and one question that attract my attention was that , the host ask ... " When Last Sultan as a Authenticated Authority call for Jihad Against the British Empire , so no Muslim from West has answer to that call , even if some did so its not that huge amount , but today we see Terrorist Organizations like AQ , ISIS are calling for Global Jihad , which they dont have Authority but still people Specially from West are replying to their calls ... why is that ???


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Actually back then Muslims in British Raj protested against the war with Ottoman Empire. You will also have to take into account that back then travelling wasn't as easy as it is today and we were quite poor (Muslims nations) and under colonial occupation. Also, there wasn't many source to spread the news, there wasn't Twitter, Facebook and other media source.

Some people might hate to admit it but Muslims nowadays are more close to a "ummah" than it was a 100 years back. That's why ISIS, Al-Qaeda exploit it.

 

[White Tiger]

Okay, i will answer your question with a question..... do you know history or not ?

I know what you mean but isnt it much more complicated than just that?
just because some arabs betrayed Ottomans doenst make ummah an illusion

Sharif Hussein had arab rebels on his side so had the Turkish army arab volenteers in their ranks how could you blame whole Arab nation just cause of minority troublemakers.



but i'm asking you again, there are hadith and ayahs which saying there is ummah..
for example

''This ummah of yours is a single ummah, and I am your Lord, so worship me." [Sûrah al-Anbiyâ': 92]

thats why i believe in ummah not because of some man made ideologies,

you believe in turan Union which is a union based on race, it is nationalistic.. while ummah is based on belief.. i wouldnt call that illusion, nationalism is more an illusion because its based racism

 

[Irfan Baloch]

brother , you are right , we have history of betraying our own people ...so if i ask , how the Ottoman Empire people respond to call of Jihad from Sultan ?




so basically you are putting whole weight on the ways to travel ... that makes sense ...



who looted them ? i hope its not house of Saud , or Pirates of the Arabian

I think on their way maybe our own tribes, Afghans and then the Arabs.
the Arab tribes had robbery as a primary profession.Lawrence used those tribes to defeat the Turks. these Bedowins used to rob and kill the pilgrims coming from across the globe, it was an assured source of Income before the oil

 

[rockstar08]

Some people might hate to admit it but Muslims nowadays are more close to a "ummah" than it was a 100 years back. That's why ISIS, Al-Qaeda exploit it.

no buddy , we may Pretend to be part of Ummah , but its not reality , they did not ex-polite the Ummah but they play mind games , Muslims were beaten up like shit by people , and even a slightest show off any version of Islam attract them ...

I think on their way maybe our own tribes, Afghans and then the Arabs.
the Arab tribes had robbery as a primary profession.Lawrence used those tribes to defeat the Turks. these Bedowins used to rob and kill the pilgrims coming from across the globe, it was an assured source of Income before the oil

so i smell the British Divide and Rule Strategy here

 

[Irfan Baloch]

no buddy , we may Pretend to be part of Ummah , but its not reality , they did not ex-polite the Ummah but they play mind games , Muslims were beaten up like shit by people , and even a slightest show off any version of Islam attract them ...



so i smell the British Divide and Rule Strategy here

took you a while to smell it
happened almost a century ago. A single SOB managed to fck the entire region shame on everyone else since then the place is bleeding profoundly.

 

[White Tiger]

took you a while to smell it
happened almost a century ago. A single SOB managed to fck the entire region shame on everyone else since then the place is bleeding profoundly.

like Midnight Express this movie is known as one of most anti-turk ever, typical western black propaganda demonizing Turks

 

[rockstar08]

took you a while to smell it
happened almost a century ago. A single SOB managed to fck the entire region shame on everyone else since then the place is bleeding profoundly.

well actually i did understand it long ago , but the fact was bothering me that these Mofo' s like AQ and ISIS get more response than a Genuine Khilafat ... well i guess its just distance

 

[Kambojaric]

Alot of ISIS/AQ recruits are social outcasts in western societies and the lack of an identity makes them more vulnerable to recruitment by such extremist outfits. This is a recent phenomenon which as one member has previously correctly mentioned is a result of globalization. Technological advancements such as aeroplane's have also made it possible for individuals to travel vast distances without any serious threat to their lives and thus join so called jihads in other parts of the world.

In contrast in 1914 the bulk of Muslims were living under colonial occupation and had their own anti colonial struggles to fight. Those who would have wanted to join the Ottoman cause will have been held back by poverty, lack of planes and the threat of robbers and bandits on the road. With regards to the Arabs living in the Ottoman Empire they were being subject to foreign propaganda/spies and their elite educated in western manners was starting to advocate ethno-linguistic nationalism. Al Fatat for example was similar to the Young Turks and was formed in Paris. This elite thus also discouraged Arabs from fighting for their perceived oppressor, the Turk.

 

[damm1t]

I tell you how British managed to get men from oversea colonies like Australia in no time and why Ottomans barely did it from neighborhood. It's not about globalization or something else imo it's all about how strong you are, how organized and prepared. Search for jihad calls when Ottomans were shining and then when it was weak you will see the difference. The global powers weakened the ties between Khilafath and Ummah by propaganda. They have given promises to some Musliam nations like freedom, Khilafat, land etc. That's how they have been used against us. Actually the French revolution was the key factor, the times when all of the nations under bigger authorities started to voice louder in name of freedom. That's how the fall of the last empires era began. British managed the crysis very well and used smaller nations against empires. They even made Muslim nations fight against us, those nations had no idea whom they were fighting with. Some tell that in the battle of Çanakkale some Muslim fighters changed the side when they heard the call for prayer from our fronts, they realized that they were fighting with muslims and changing the side, British brought them with lies. Anyway Ottomans lost because they were not smart enough, didn't observe the new era and follow the new rules, eventually they lost, blaming the Ummah for the fall of the empire is not fair.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Alot of ISIS/AQ recruits are social outcasts in western societies and the lack of an identity makes them more vulnerable to recruitment by such extremist outfits. .

this might be partly true because you are pointing at just one factor.


but the behavioural scientists and psychologists are still scratching their heads over what turns a normal person into a genocidal maniac

there are examples of people with happy complete family life and good upbringing nice jobs good social standing etc turning to these scumbags.

it varies from person to person and individual personality.
the ISIS and AQ are masters in manipulation and brain washing but they are very careful in their grooming and only select certain kind of a person for suicide mission not everyone makes the grades and as is the case with an Indian wana be ISIS fighter he was only given janitorial duties.

the terrorists that shot the members of Ismali community were well educated and successful and not poor either. yet they shot people at point blank range their victims included children and women too

the common factor I find in all these scumbags is that they are all wahabis. every single one of them. a good test of a wahabi is that you recite Darood and his face will turn sour and you will see he doesnt like it. then he will declare you a shia or a beralvi and make derogatory remarks about you.

I tell you how British managed to get men from oversea colonies like Australia in no time and why Ottomans barely did it from neighborhood. It's not about globalization or something else imo it's all about how strong you are, how organized and prepared. Search for jihad calls when Ottomans were shining and then when it was weak you will see the difference. The global powers weakened the ties between Khilafath and Ummah by propaganda. They have given promises to some Musliam nations like freedom, Khilafat, land etc. That's how they have been used against us. Actually the French revolution was the key factor, the times when all of the nations under bigger authorities started to voice louder in name of freedom. That's how the fall of the last empires era began. British managed the crysis very well and used smaller nations against empires. They even made Muslim nations fight against us, those nations had no idea whom they were fighting with. Some tell that in the battle of Çanakkale some Muslim fighters changed the side when they heard the call for prayer from our fronts, they realized that they were fighting with muslims and changing the side, British brought them with lies. Anyway Ottomans lost because they were not smart enough, didn't observe the new era and follow the new rules, eventually they lost, blaming the Ummah for the fall of the empire is not fair.

sorry to say but if I was a Turkish commander I would have mowed down those scumbags who couldnt distingush between right and wrong and needed a prayer call to make up their minds. the call by even Imam Hussain R.A didnt affect some Muslims.

the entire episode of the fall of ottoman empire hurts me a lot and story is tragic and I couldnt watch this movie of Lawyarence of Arabia but behold how turkey bounced back all credit to its modern founders.

this is why my dear Turkish friends find me sometimes criticising Turkish actions recently specially Syria which will have repercussions and others will just dust off hands and look pretty from distance

 

[Kompromat]

We answered their call, however insignificant it was but we did stand by the Turks.

 

[Hyperion]

To sum all that up, the British coined the term, "Divide and Rule"!

I tell you how British managed to get men from oversea colonies like Australia in no time and why Ottomans barely did it from neighborhood. It's not about globalization or something else imo it's all about how strong you are, how organized and prepared. Search for jihad calls when Ottomans were shining and then when it was weak you will see the difference. The global powers weakened the ties between Khilafath and Ummah by propaganda. They have given promises to some Musliam nations like freedom, Khilafat, land etc. That's how they have been used against us. Actually the French revolution was the key factor, the times when all of the nations under bigger authorities started to voice louder in name of freedom. That's how the fall of the last empires era began. British managed the crysis very well and used smaller nations against empires. They even made Muslim nations fight against us, those nations had no idea whom they were fighting with. Some tell that in the battle of Çanakkale some Muslim fighters changed the side when they heard the call for prayer from our fronts, they realized that they were fighting with muslims and changing the side, British brought them with lies. Anyway Ottomans lost because they were not smart enough, didn't observe the new era and follow the new rules, eventually they lost, blaming the Ummah for the fall of the empire is not fair.

 

[Dubious]

are there any Muslims Countries back than ?? if i am not wrong , after the Collapsed of Ottomans , Russian and other Empire new Countries were born including many Muslim Countries

Mostly AFTER the collapse...Before that there were just small empires somewhere in middle east...