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The Big 'Make In India' Submarine Hunt 3.0

Major Shaitan Singh

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I was a rookie reporter nine years ago in October 2005 when, in the main ceremonial room of the Indian MoD, then Defence Secretary Shekhar Dutt and then Ambassador of France, the tempestuous Dominique Girard, signed the Indian government's contract for six Scorpene submarines. I had spent just over a year on the defence beat at The Indian Express. The P75 submarine build programme was one of the biggest developing stories at the time. It would be the new UPA government's first defence deal, and the Indian Navy was desperate for an early conclusion. Only two weeks before the signing at the MoD, I and a small group of other reporters were huddled in a small conference room at Delhi's Hyatt Hotel receiving a briefing from Germany's HDW on the Class 214 submarine. We were only journalists, but it was a final effort to pitch the U-boat as a better product than the French offering that would defeat it less than 14 days later.

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Nearly a decade later, the Germans are back in the race. Presumably. (No maker of submarines has officially declared interest in the P75I competition since it was cleared for a 'Make in India' route earlier this month.) Cleared of corruption allegations in the Shishumar-class build programme, the Germans still smart at how they lost the 2005 deal. And they'll be competing to make good. But, in every way -- every possible way -- the P75I programme is likely to be more complicated, contentious and competitive than its predecessor. The Class 214, which squared off against the Scorpene in the final race the last time, could face at least four worthy competitors this time. All come with their own technical, capability-centric and political pros and cons:

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AMUR 1650 (RUSSIA)

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NAVANTIA S-80 CLASS (SPAIN)

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MHI SŌRYŪ-CLASS (JAPAN)

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DCNS SCORPENE+ (FRANCE)

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SAAB KOCKUMS GOTLAND CLASS (SWEDEN)

All six submarines will be built in India at an Indian shipyard. By December, the MoD has committed to identifying the public and private shipyards capable of taking on such work. Apart from Mazagon Dock Ltd (MDL) and L&T's shipyards (the only two currently engaged in submarine building work), the MoD will size up Cochin Shipyard Ltd, GRSE, GSL, Hindustan Shipyard Ltd (HSL) and Pipavav, among prospective others. For nostalgia,here's the original P75I request for information from years ago, which originally envisaged two submarines built by the OEM and four in an Indian shipyard.

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Soryu is officially in the competition ?

They have issues with the US-2 sale to us, so selling and sharing one of the top defence products will not going to happen.
 
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They have issues with the US-2 sale to us, so selling and sharing one of the top defence products will not going to happen.
But sir aren't they going to sale their Soryu class submarine to Australia,i mean i read it in this forum that the R.A.N. has chosen the Soryu class as their next generation sub.So if they can sell their defense product to Australia then why on earth should they have any problem selling the same product to India who is after all an important strategic partner to them?? @Nihonjin1051 sir,can you please shed some light in this matter?
 
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Don't understand why not an indigenous design? DRDO said they've completed work on indigenous AIP system if I'm not wrong.
 
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Does the indian tender have an additional option of 6 ?
 
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I see 2 obvious choices here:

1. Let the scorpene line continue making improved scorpenes. This will probably have the fastest turn around (technology is already absorbed, labour force is ready).

2. Find the best performing sub and start a new line (which means years of delays for the line to be set up and technology to be absorbed.)

Just my 2 cents.
 
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Scorpene contract already have an option of additional 6, which can be exercised after induction of initial few..

New tender should augment in a way that, no more subs are imported after this.

Barracuda class if offered will help a lot for our nuke subs...
 
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I would like to see Extended Scorpian class boats 6 more then freeze it. Convert all remaining boats in AIP. Induct Japanese AIP 8 boats at least in new deal. They are best ASW players and effective against Chinese boats. So we can counter whatever China And Pakistan brings on the table. Thank u.
 
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soryu is not gonna be make in india.

we should go for add on 6 scorpenes with aip and start an ssn design project today.

make sure they have working aips on time. whichever is earliest, DRDO's or MESMA.
 
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Don't understand why not an indigenous design? DRDO said they've completed work on indigenous AIP system if I'm not wrong.
Well I am not an expert and I don't know much about submarines either but I too think indigenous design would be better if it is ready.
 
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