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Thats how we treat our national heroes - Abdul Qadeer Khan

This is the problem with our country. Instead of gratitude (one should ask what great contributions such people have made toward their country), we like to nitpick shortcomings. Nobody is perfect. His contributions are huge and that's what we honor him for.
Yes, this is where the problem stands out, when AQ Khan flaunts himself as the cardinal force behind Pakistan's nuclear program, and in doing so he takes away credit from all those without whom his centrifuge blueprints would remained nothing but drawings on a paper. Pointing out his personal traits is one thing and busting his preposterous claims another. Knowing it's one of the best kept secrets in the world, he exploits that to his advantage and adds to the pool of misinformation. I can go on in lengths about the extent of his contributions, especially with the mention of his "one of a kind centrifuges", but citations from valid sources wont make any difference as well.
 
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Literally tears start rolling down my face every time when i watch these interviews.We today exist on world map because of such national heroes and in return that,s what we gave them? A pension of 19000 rupees and a restriction of meeting their close relatives and house arrest? India made abdul kalam a president and we treated him like a criminal.Seriously our leaders suck
Why you started a new thread using a 10 years old video ? I think you are serving the enemies of Pakistan
 
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Abdul Qadeer Khan is a self aggrandizing opportunist who engaged in profiteering with critical and strategic products. He did not engage in it alone nor is he the only one to do so.
Perfectly summarized.

A metallurgist who stole centrifuge blueprints from Urenco on the request of the Pakistani government, came back in hopes of glory and claimed credit for everything regarding enrichment, even to the extent of dismissing Tasnim Shah's & GD Alam's contribution in solving the centrifuge problem. Embarrassed Pakistan by admitting to nuclear weapons capability possession in 1987 to Indian journalist Kuldip Nayyar, passed on crucial centrifuge & nuclear weapon designs to other nations for personal gains, created confrontations & organizational divide between Pakistani scientists & engineers, by putting up the HEU vs Pu & Ghauri vs Shaheen debates...and to this date uses indecent language about others in his columns...is no hero.

He was rightly made the poster-child and later the scapegoat by the military, his thirst for fame led to his own demise.
 
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Propoganda can do miracles & history can be catapulted upside down. White becomes black and black gets white. This story is an epic adventure on its own & when it shall be written, many unknown will surface to life. Most of them have now left this world & their second tier is enganged in matters of national security. @Oscar

Perfectly put. Munir and others were the actual drivers who never attracted attention and did the actual work.
 
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Yes, this is where the problem stands out, when AQ Khan flaunts himself as the cardinal force behind Pakistan's nuclear program, and in doing so he takes away credit from all those without whom his centrifuge blueprints would remained nothing but drawings on a paper. Pointing out his personal traits is one thing and busting his preposterous claims another. Knowing it's one of the best kept secrets in the world, he exploits that to his advantage and adds to the pool of misinformation. I can go on in lengths about the extent of his contributions, especially with the mention of his "one of a kind centrifuges", but citations from valid sources wont make any difference as well.

You are right; I agree with many of your conclusions.

AQ Khan is far from perfect. We need to stop thinking in black and white. AQ Khan can be an arrogant person who indulges in excessive self aggrandizement AND also a national hero because of his contributions (which, even if exaggerated, were still important.) He risked a lot (including arrest and lengthy jail time) while in European labs to clandestinely get information that Pakistan needed for the bomb. There are many unsung heroes whose contributions may well overshadow AQ Khan's by a country mile, but that still doesn't mean he didn't contribute meaningfully.

Perfectly summarized.

A metallurgist who stole centrifuge blueprints from Urenco on the request of the Pakistani government, came back in hopes of glory and claimed credit for everything regarding enrichment, even to the extent of dismissing Tasnim Shah's & GD Alam's contribution in solving the centrifuge problem. Embarrassed Pakistan by admitting to nuclear weapons capability possession in 1987 to Indian journalist Kuldip Nayyar, passed on crucial centrifuge & nuclear weapon designs to other nations for personal gains, created confrontations & organizational divide between Pakistani scientists & engineers, by putting up the HEU vs Pu & Ghauri vs Shaheen debates...and to this date uses indecent language about others in his columns...is no hero.

He was rightly made the poster-child and later the scapegoat by the military, his thirst for fame led to his own demise.

Everything you've said is correct.

However, I do not believe he acted independently / went rogue when sharing nuclear know-how with North Korea, Libya, etc. I believe these decisions were sanctioned by the highest echelons of the Pakistani state (i.e. the traitor Mush, though that is another discussion) in exchange for ballistic know-how and later, when discovered, blamed entirely on AQ Khan. I am not defending AQ Khan's antics by any means.
 
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Everything you've said is correct.

However, I do not believe he acted independently / went rogue when sharing nuclear know-how with North Korea, Libya, etc. I believe these decisions were sanctioned by the highest echelons of the Pakistani state (i.e. the traitor Mush, though that is another discussion) in exchange for ballistic know-how and later, when discovered, blamed entirely on AQ Khan. I am not defending AQ Khan's antics by any means.
Of course the establishment was involved as far as North Korea was concerned, but AQ Khan personally insisted that Iran and Libya should have nuclear weapons for the sake of the so-called "Ummah". One particular instance is the selling of nuclear weapon (in addition to centrifuge) blueprints to Libya. This was not sanctioned and Pakistan was humiliated as a result, but most importantly Pakistan lost the trust and cooperation of its only ally.
 
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Of course the establishment was involved as far as North Korea was concerned, but AQ Khan personally insisted that Iran and Libya should have nuclear weapons for the sake of the so-called "Ummah". One particular instance is the selling of nuclear weapon (in addition to centrifuge) blueprints to Libya. This was not sanctioned and Pakistan was humiliated as a result, but most importantly Pakistan lost the trust and cooperation of its only ally.

On principle, I would tend to agree with you. But...
a.) we cannot know if sharing blueprints of a weapon with Libya was or was not sanctioned (probably not)
b.) is there something wrong, in principle, with Iran or Libya having nuclear weapons given that genocidal states like Israel have them?

I don't support his antics or any of the rogue actions he allegedly took. It's pretty distasteful when you try to force fame and glory through self-aggrandizement and exaggeration.
 
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On principle, I would tend to agree with you. But...
a.) we cannot know if sharing blueprints of a weapon with Libya was or was not sanctioned (probably not)
b.) is there something wrong, in principle, with Iran or Libya having nuclear weapons given that genocidal states like Israel have them?

I don't support his antics or any of the rogue actions he allegedly took. It's pretty distasteful when you try to force fame and glory through self-aggrandizement and exaggeration.
a. Well when the blueprints are in Chinese, then one should have had the brains to realize that something like that is not for sale, specially from Pakistan. Gaddafi tried to purchase weapon designs in 1970 from China, he was denied. Those designs conclusively proved Chinese assistance to Pakistani nuclear weapons program for the first time ever.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...62fd8c2/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.29e3c19a3b18

b. Iran or Libya could have nukes by all means, just not Pakistani. We should have behaved as a responsible nuclear weapons state. It doesn't matters how Pakistan got it or how Israel/France/UK got it...you can't just run a nuclear black market and expect everything will be hunky-dory.
 
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a. Well when the blueprints are in Chinese, then one should have had the brains to realize that something like that is not for sale, specially from Pakistan. Gaddafi tried to purchase weapon designs in 1970 from China, he was denied. Those designs conclusively proved Chinese assistance to Pakistani nuclear weapons program for the first time ever.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...62fd8c2/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.29e3c19a3b18

b. Iran or Libya could have nukes by all means, just not Pakistani. We should have behaved as a responsible nuclear weapons state. It doesn't matters how Pakistan got it or how Israel/France/UK got it...you can't just run a nuclear black market and expect everything will be hunky-dory.

a.) Agreed.

b.) Agreed, with a qualification. Your premise is that one state should not help another to covertly build a nuke. But isn't that how China helped us? So, why can't we covertly help Iran go nuclear? Of course it should be a much more sophisticated operation than what our friend ran.

c.) Which "ally" were you referring to in your earlier post?

Thanks for responding!
 
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Propoganda can do miracles & history can be catapulted upside down. White becomes black and black gets white. This story is an epic adventure on its own & when it shall be written, many unknown will surface to life. Most of them have now left this world & their second tier is enganged in matters of national security. @Oscar
Of course the establishment was involved as far as North Korea was concerned, but AQ Khan personally insisted that Iran and Libya should have nuclear weapons for the sake of the so-called "Ummah". One particular instance is the selling of nuclear weapon (in addition to centrifuge) blueprints to Libya. This was not sanctioned and Pakistan was humiliated as a result, but most importantly Pakistan lost the trust and cooperation of its only ally.

There is even more dirt on the other “heroes” as well but less said the better. All of them are essentially middle men with their children now carrying on contracts. Some do deserve the business in their attempts to be honest though; nothing wrong with using connections and relationships with suppliers and end users as long as you do it by the rules and avoid corruption.
I do it with ARAMCO and US DoD.

But, when you hear stories about the budget black hole that is SPD.. it only makes the heart sink further.
 
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I mean extract information about his role during his foreign visit, example North Korea etc etc. And he was part of nuclear program , not whole sole incharge . There are many unsung hero in Pak nuclear program.
first CIA wanted to extradite him to USA but Musharraf refused, then they said they wanted to interrogate him which was also denied. in the end they said they wanted to just observe the interviews and investigations around alleged proliferation but that was denied too

granted that either the state (army/ ISI) was complicit in proliferation or was concomitant to discover his alleged clandestine one man proliferation operation but he after his "forced" confession" started threatening to spill secrets and started interviews. that was when for his own sake he was confined to his home because he became a target.
he was a self centered projectionist for sure and was a hard man to work with but his contributions as a metallurgist are contributory towards our nuclear program.

he has been a very good promoter and people dint know about dr Samar Mubarak Mand the real "nuclear scientist until the tests because he preferred the stay out of public eye.

Although unthinkable and impossible that he did but even if he proliferated for personal gains in his alleged secret dealings with Libya, Iran and Korea. I don't care he could have been treated better.
he took the entire program very seriously and was very very much involved at all aspects of it. a bit of a control freak but such traits never came in the way of his work and dedication.

back in early to mid 80s someone I know told me he raised an anti aircraft unit in Kahuta and Dr Qadir was invited to show the preparations and defenses to counter the air raid. such was his interest that he went through the strategy and counters.. using the terrain, passive and active defenses both ground based and airborne etc.
He used to joke that Army's high handed approach towards foreign journalists and diplomats caught sneaking into Kahuta had made the place notorious.

There is even more dirt on the other “heroes” as well but less said the better. All of them are essentially middle men with their children now carrying on contracts. Some do deserve the business in their attempts to be honest though; nothing wrong with using connections and relationships with suppliers and end users as long as you do it by the rules and avoid corruption.
I do it with ARAMCO and US DoD.

But, when you hear stories about the budget black hole that is SPD.. it only makes the heart sink further.
nation got no clue . its a bottomless pit equally matched by the insatiable greed of those running it.
like sherifs metro and motorway they got few toys to show off to shut up the criticism but what sums of public money is burnt to get them is another debate. I hope we are talking about the same thing (mil-procurement, Missile/ nuclear R&D etc)
 
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first CIA wanted to extradite him to USA but Musharraf refused, then they said they wanted to interrogate him which was also denied. in the end they said they wanted to just observe the interviews and investigations around alleged proliferation but that was denied too

granted that either the state (army/ ISI) was complicit in proliferation or was concomitant to discover his alleged clandestine one man proliferation operation but he after his "forced" confession" started threatening to spill secrets and started interviews. that was when for his own sake he was confined to his home because he became a target.
he was a self centered projectionist for sure and was a hard man to work with but his contributions as a metallurgist are contributory towards our nuclear program.

he has been a very good promoter and people dint know about dr Samar Mubarak Mand the real "nuclear scientist until the tests because he preferred the stay out of public eye.

Although unthinkable and impossible that he did but even if he proliferated for personal gains in his alleged secret dealings with Libya, Iran and Korea. I don't care he could have been treated better.
he took the entire program very seriously and was very very much involved at all aspects of it. a bit of a control freak but such traits never came in the way of his work and dedication.

back in early to mid 80s someone I know told me he raised an anti aircraft unit in Kahuta and Dr Qadir was invited to show the preparations and defenses to counter the air raid. such was his interest that he went through the strategy and counters.. using the terrain, passive and active defenses both ground based and airborne etc.
He used to joke that Army's high handed approach towards foreign journalists and diplomats caught sneaking into Kahuta had made the place notorious.


nation got no clue . its a bottomless pit equally matched by the insatiable greed of those running it.
like sherifs metro and motorway they got few toys to show off to shut up the criticism but what sums of public money is burnt to get them is another debate. I hope we are talking about the same thing (mil-procurement, Missile/ nuclear R&D etc)
I agree with your point. But, he need to stay low profile. He will be wanted for agencies till his last breath.
 
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a.) Agreed.

b.) Agreed, with a qualification. Your premise is that one state should not help another to covertly build a nuke. But isn't that how China helped us? So, why can't we covertly help Iran go nuclear? Of course it should be a much more sophisticated operation than what our friend ran.

c.) Which "ally" were you referring to in your earlier post?

Thanks for responding!
b) As I said, since Pakistan was on the receiving end of nuclear ToT from China, it doesn't puts Pakistan in bad light...rather China. Besides, the Chinese needed Pakistan to keep a check on India.
Pakistan has no benefit of helping Iran in this case. Its arch rival is already in limited reach, will soon be within comfortable reach of Pakistan. Similar is the case with Libya, or Saudi Arabia.

c) China, of course.
 
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