Thank you Turkey! :)!

[Hassan_Ishtiaq]

The badges of all of the defeated and humiliated British regiments, a sign of british defeat in the Khyber:

The Ballad of the King's Jest

Rudyard Kipling

When spring-time flushes the desert grass,
Our kafilas wind through the Khyber Pass.
Lean are the camels but fat the frails,
Light are the purses but heavy the bales,
As the snowbound trade of the North comes down
To the market-square of Peshawar town.

In a turquoise twilight, crisp and chill,
A kafila camped at the foot of the hill.
Then blue smoke-haze of the cooking rose,
And tent-peg answered to hammer-nose;
And the picketed ponies, shag and wild,
Strained at their ropes as the feed was piled;
And the bubbling camels beside the load
Sprawled for a furlong adown the road;
And the Persian *****-cats, brought for sale,
Spat at the dogs from the camel-bale;
And the tribesmen bellowed to hasten the food;
And the camp-fires twinkled by Fort Jumrood;
And there fled on the wings of the gathering dusk
A savour of camels and carpets and musk,
A murmur of voices, a reek of smoke,
To tell us the trade of the Khyber woke.

The lid of the flesh-pot chattered high,
The knives were whetted and -- then came I
To Mahbub Ali, the muleteer,
Patching his bridles and counting his gear,
Crammed with the gossip of half a year.
But Mahbub Ali the kindly said,
"Better is speech when the belly is fed."
So we plunged the hand to the mid-wrist deep
In a cinnamon stew of the fat-tailed sheep,
And he who never hath tasted the food,
By Allah! he knoweth not bad from good.

We cleansed our beards of the mutton-grease,
We lay on the mats and were filled with peace,
And the talk slid north, and the talk slid south,
With the sliding puffs from the hookah-mouth.
Four things greater than all things are, --
Women and Horses and Power and War.
We spake of them all, but the last the most,
For I sought a word of a Russian post,
Of a shifty promise, an unsheathed sword
And a grey-coat guard on the Helmund ford.
Then Mahbub Ali lowered his eyes
In the fashion of one who is weaving lies.
Quoth he: "Of the Russians who can say?
When the night is gathering all is grey.
But we look that the gloom of the night shall die
In the morning flush of a blood-red sky.
Friend of my heart, is it meet or wise
To warn a King of his enemies?
We know what Heaven or Hell may bring,
But no man knoweth the mind of the King.
That unsought counsel is cursed of God
Attesteth the story of Wali Dad.

"His sire was leaky of tongue and pen,
His dam was a clucking Khattack hen;
And the colt bred close to the vice of each,
For he carried the curse of an unstaunched speech.
Therewith madness -- so that he sought
The favour of kings at the Kabul court;
And travelled, in hope of honour, far
To the line where the grey-coat squadrons are.
There have I journeyed too -- but I
Saw naught, said naught, and -- did not die!
He hearked to rumour, and snatched at a breath
Of `this one knoweth', and 'that one saith', --
Legends that ran from mouth to mouth
Of a grey-coat coming, and sack of the South.
These have I also heard -- they pass
With each new spring and the winter grass.

"Hot-foot southward, forgotten of God,
Back to the city ran Wali Dad,
Even to Kabul -- in full durbar
The King held talk with his Chief in War.
Into the press of the crowd he broke,
And what he had heard of the coming spoke.

"Then Gholam Hyder, the Red Chief, smiled,
As a mother might on a babbling child;
But those who would laugh restrained their breath,
When the face of the King showed dark as death.
Evil it is in full durbar
To cry to a ruler of gathering war!
Slowly he led to a peach-tree small,
That grew by a cleft of the city wall.
And he said to the boy: `They shall praise thy zeal
So long as the red spurt follows the steel.
And the Russ is upon us even now?
Great is thy prudence -- await them, thou.
Watch from the tree. Thou art young and strong.
Surely the vigil is not for long.
The Russ is upon us, thy clamour ran?
Surely an hour shall bring their van.
Wait and watch. When the host is near,
Shout aloud that my men may hear.'

"Friend of my heart, is it meet or wise
To warn a King of his enemies?
A guard was set that he might not flee --
A score of bayonets ringed the tree.
The peach-bloom fell in showers of snow,
When he shook at his death as he looked below.
By the power of God, Who alone is great,
Till the seventh day he fought with his fate.
Then madness took him, and men declare
He mowed in the branches as ape and bear,
And last as a sloth, ere his body failed,
And he hung like a bat in the forks, and wailed,
And sleep the cord of his hands untied,
And he fell, and was caught on the points and died.

"Heart of my heart, is it meet or wise
To warn a King of his enemies?
We know what Heaven or Hell may bring,
But no man knoweth the mind of the King.
Of the grey-coat coming who can say?
When the night is gathering all is grey.
Two things greater than all things are,
The first is Love, and the second War.
And since we know not how War may prove,
Heart of my heart, let us talk of Love!"

 

[Omar1984]

But i never denied that, however you said "Punjabi Muslims mostly helped Turkey gained its independence" giving punjabis too much credit, as if others didn't do anything, prove to me that "punjabis mostly" helped Turkey.



It doesn't mention anywhere that "mostly Punjabies helped Turkey gained its independence" like you claimed.


but what were punjabies doing fighting under the british flag in the first place?

Its better to fight under ur own flag rather than under the flag of a foreign power that invaded and enslaved ur people.

My great-grandfather was part of the British Indian Army and he joined because he wanted to learn combat skills. When he was sent to Turkey, he and other Muslims in the Army sided with Turkish Muslims and helped Turkish Muslims much more than any of you Afghanis were doing at that time. While our people were selling their little belongings they had to help their brothers in Turkey, you people were smoking hishish in the dusty mountains in Afghanistan.

And its a fact that NWFP (Kyber Pakhtunkhwa) was part of the British India empire as well so I have no problems with Pakhtuns just Afghanis like you.

Anyways, one good thing about the British was that they created the Durrand Line and Pakistan got the best of SOuth Asia in North, West, South, and East

 

[Omar1984]

Pakhtuns of Pakistan were also known as Indian Muslims at that time so they probably also contributed to Turkey's independence, but Afghanis didn't do squat for Turkish brothers. I hope Turkish brothers realize this.

 

[Hassan_Ishtiaq]

Anglo Afghan wars (british invaded 3 times and were defeated all 3 times)

Afghan Pashtun Warrior Frontier Tribesmen armed with their Jezails, Anglo Afghan War

Pashtun Tribesmen following their Amir towards battle

British Punjab Cavalry happily fighting for the British Generals.

British cavalry charging to kill Pashtun resisters

Punjabi soldiers assisting British in invading and killing Afghans

Afghan Pashtun Tribesmen butchering British Punjab regiment on its retreat to india

The last british survivor of a 16,500 strong british army contingent : 'Remnants of an Army' by Elizabeth Butler portraying William Brydon arriving at the gates of Jalalabad as the only survivor of a 16,500 strong evacuation from Kabul in January 1842.

 

[Omar1984]

Anglo Afghan wars (british invaded 3 times and were defeated all 3 times)
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Go take your mighty Afghani warrior race in today's Afghanistan where troops from dozens of countries are enslaving your people.

Afghanis are useless people. Long live the Durrand Line that separates Pakistan from dirty dusty poorest country on earth.


Proud to be Pakistani Punjabi

Punjab loves Turkey.

The ancestors of these children helped Turkey with their freedom. Never forget.

 

[DRaisinHerald]

^ Unfortunately, alot of these Punjabi that fought against Afghans were Sikh, don't forget that

EDIT: Omar, you're showing a little too much Punjabism right now, not cool It was one of the causes of '71
Also, do remember a large proportion of the British Indian army was composed of ethnic Pashtun from NWFP, Pathans which were not so tribal-minded so followed the British more so than those from FATA, I think they deserve some credit too

 

[DRaisinHerald]

By the way, why is Hassan bent on proving Afghan valor, aren't you Pakistani?

 

[Omar1984]

By the way, why is Hassan bent on proving Afghan valor, aren't you Pakistani?

He's probably an Afghani refugee living in a refugee camp somewhere in Waziristan.

 

[Kambojaric]

Afghans were in an awkward position back then. Siding with the Ottomans would have meant a double onslaught from Russia (in Turkestan) and British India, hence their neutrality. Muslims on the other side (Pashtuns, Punjabis all alike) however had nothing to lose as they were already occupied.

Having said that the British intentionally didnt send many Muslims to fight against the Ottomans as they knew the moral dilemma that would arise within them, with many as Omar is pointing out to his grandfather ending up switching sides.

I know from personal experiences how well Turks treat us Pakistanis (my father has lived in Istanbul for many years and only has praise for them)...

 

[W.11]

haha,most of the time its pashtun punjabi brotherhood against urdu speakers but when time comes punjabis fight with pathans, this pakistan is really a big joke

 

[Hassan_Ishtiaq]

My great-grandfather was part of the British Indian Army and he joined because he wanted to learn combat skills. When he was sent to Turkey, he and other Muslims in the Army sided with Turkish Muslims and helped Turkish Muslims much more than any of you Afghanis were doing at that time. While our people were selling their little belongings they had to help their brothers in Turkey, you people were smoking hishish in the dusty mountains in Afghanistan.

^^^^^
lolz, you should be a comedian, you'll make a lot of money

And its a fact that NWFP (Kyber Pakhtunkhwa) was part of the British India empire as well so I have no problems with Pakhtuns just Afghanis like you.

It was only a part of british empire on the map, in ground reality british had no authority over the territory, its like how india claims Azad Kashmir on their map even though Pakistan has Azad Kashmir in reality.

BTW, i'm not even Afghanistani, but thanks 4 exposing your racist bigoted nature, people like u r responsible 4 the break up of Pakistan and you will be responsible when Balochis and Pashtuns rebel and gain independence.

 

[Hassan_Ishtiaq]

haha,most of the time its pashtun punjabi brotherhood against urdu speakers but when time comes punjabis fight with pathans, this pakistan is really a big joke

I'm a Pashtun, but a Punjabi Pashtun, my forefathers have been living in this territory for centuries from time of Ahmed Shah Baba, i have no problem with Urdu speakers, Sindhis, Punjabis, Kashmiris, Seraikis, Shia, Sunni (ecpet 4 Salafis, they r responsible 4 terrorism), however i hate it when people with ethnic superiority complex start taking credit for something claiming that only their people did most of this and that lolz.

Now how will people feel if i start giving only Pashtuns the credit of liberating Azad Kashmir, even though Pakistani troops of various background also sacrificed their lives in 1947-48? that would be disrespectful and ethnocentric.

No wonder Bangladeshis were pi$$ed, i don't blame them now that i have seen punjabi superiority complex. See if it wasnt for Ahmad Shah Abdali, today this whole region would have been Hindu and this Omar would probably have been a Sikh.

BTW, Mr Omar, if you lot hate Afghans so much then why name Missiles after Afghan Generals (Abdali, Ghauri, Ghaznavi).

 

[RayKalm]

It doesn't matter who you are, as long as you are born in Pakistan; you are a Pakistani. Stop arguing over nationality.

I myself am half Pashtun, from Khyber where ancestors are from Afghanistan, and Azad Kashmiri in Kashmir where my ancestors are from what was then considered India. And I was born in Sindh, Karachi.

So, what does that make me? Not Pashtun, not Kashmiri, not Afghan, not Indian, not Sindi, but a Pakistani.

 

[Kambojaric]

It doesn't matter who you are, as long as you are born in Pakistan; you are a Pakistani. Stop arguing over nationality.

I myself am half Pashtun, from Khyber where ancestors are from Afghanistan, and Azad Kashmiri in Kashmir where my ancestors are from what was then considered India. And I was born in Sindh, Karachi.

So, what does that make me? Not Pashtun, not Kashmiri, not Afghan, not Indian, not Sindi, but a Pakistani.

Precisely, i dont know why certain people much to the delight of anti pakistan people are enjoying talking about their ethnicities rather than their country. Im Punjabi but have cousins married to Pashtuns, Kashmiris and Urdu speakers. Dont get why such a hussle is being created here.

 

[Paan Singh]

That's a common problem among us.. we are a big country with 180 Million+ people, and almost 200 all together around the world, so there will obviously be division.

its migration issue although and every body consider themselves superior.Here we have same problem