TF-X Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircraft Projects

[Mr.Department]

Linden, C4Defence’e yaptığı açıklamada Türk Hava Kuvvetlerinin motoru incelediğini Eurofigther Tyhpoon motorunda itki arttırımı talep ettiklerini kaydetti

Forget it, development will take at least some years. There is no existent engine except F-119 from PW.
Turkey made the same with China, wanted more and more;
and project was cancelled.

China even regrets that they gave us missile technology, cause we copied and are now competing with them on the missile market.

http://www.bestchinanews.com/Military/3593.html

This Eurojet consortium is a competitor against the recently established JV consisting of RollsRoyce and Kale Group?

C4 wrotes BS

 

[T-123456]

C4 wrotes BS

Agreed,Eurojet comes with strings attached.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Agreed,Eurojet comes with strings attached.

So I did understand the article correctly? Which engine is offering us RR? Which one is more powerful? Which one is preferred by TAI?

 

[Mr.Department]

Agreed,Eurojet comes with strings attached.

The Eurojet EJ200 is a military 90 kN low bypass turbofan jet engine, used as the powerplant of the Eurofighter Typhoon. The engine is largely based on the Rolls-Royce XG-40 technology demonstrator which was developed in the 1980s. The EJ200 is built by the EuroJet Turbo GmbH consortium.

Complete Rolly Royce engines list :

https://www.rolls-royce.com/product.../combat-jets/rb199.aspx#engine-specifications

Eurojet EJ 230 exits already in Gripen, thrust vectoring 23000 lb

Rumours say there is a EJ-270 in development, I couldn't find a serious source

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...j200-variant-at-thrust-vectored-gripen-37567/

 

[T-123456]

So I did understand the article correctly? Which engine is offering us RR? Which one is more powerful? Which one is preferred by TAI?

There is nothing to understand,as you know RR is one of the two leading partners of Eurojet(33%),the engine tech for the EJ-200 is largely based on the RR XG-40 technology demonstrator which was developed in the 1980s by RR.
So why go for ''second hand''(Eurojet) when you can get everything first hand(RR).
The deal is that the JV will develop a new engine for the TFX.
The EJ-200 is not good enough,the EJ-230 or EJ2x0 (or whatever they want to call it) with 20% better performance could be enough but im sure that RR can develop a similar or better performing engine.
TAI has the luxury to decide which one is best for the TFX.
https://www.rolls-royce.com/media/p...create-defence-aero-engine-joint-venture.aspx
I'd rather work with one(RR) partner then a consortium(Eurojet) of kind.

The Eurojet EJ200 is a military 90 kN low bypass turbofan jet engine, used as the powerplant of the Eurofighter Typhoon. The engine is largely based on the Rolls-Royce XG-40 technology demonstrator which was developed in the 1980s. The EJ200 is built by the EuroJet Turbo GmbH consortium.

Complete Rolly Royce engines list :

https://www.rolls-royce.com/product.../combat-jets/rb199.aspx#engine-specifications

Eurojet EJ 230 exits already in Gripen, thrust vectoring 23000 lb

Rumours say there is a EJ-270 in development, I couldn't find a serious source

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...j200-variant-at-thrust-vectored-gripen-37567/

Hahahahahhaha,bro you beat me to it.

 

[Successwill]

http://www.bestchinanews.com/Military/3593.html

Why is this chinky eyed writer of the article so mad at Turkey?

 

[Mr.Department]

@T-123456

Sorry bro, I didn't wanted to compete you "
when you were writing and not wanted
disturb your circles- Archimed

 

[T-123456]

@T-123456

Sorry bro, I didn't wanted to compete you "
when you were writing and not wanted
disturb your circles- Archimed

Dont worry about it,all good.

 

[Mr.Department]

Why is this chinky eyed writer of the article so mad at Turkey?

Cause we cancelled HQ9 project, copied their missiles and offer them on the market (for example Poland).

 

[Path-Finder]

Rolls-Royce and Kale Group create defence aero engine joint venture
Monday, 8 May 2017
Rolls-Royce and Kale Group, a major partner in global and national defence and aerospace industries, have announced the formation of a joint venture company to target aero engine opportunities in Turkey.

Kale Group will own 51 per cent and Rolls-Royce 49 per cent of the joint venture, which aims to develop aircraft engines for Turkey, initially targeting the TF-X National Fighter Jet Project. The agreement was signed at a ceremony in Istanbul today attended by Osman Okyay, Deputy CEO of Kale Group and Chris Cholerton, Rolls-Royce, President - Defence Aerospace.

Osman Okyay said: “Today we are very pleased and proud to be uniting our energy with one of the biggest jet engine makers of the world. This partnership is a milestone in the development of the aerospace and defence industries of Turkey.”

Chris Cholerton said: “We are delighted to announce this new Joint Venture and to have the opportunity to work together with Kale to develop the national engine for TF-X.”

Kale Group is the contractor for the Turbojet engine development project, a milestone in Turkey’s aim to produce domestic aircraft engines.

The establishment of the joint venture is subject to the usual legal approvals.

https://www.rolls-royce.com/media/p...create-defence-aero-engine-joint-venture.aspx

About Kale Group

• Celebrating its 60th anniversary this year, Kale Group ranks among the largest industrial conglomerates in Turkey. Today, Kale Group owns 17 companies with more than 5,000 employees and US$1 billion annual sales.

• Kale Group entered the defence and aerospace industry in 1987 and is a tier one supplier for many global defence and aerospace companies - including Lockheed Martin, Boeing and Airbus - and is a leading supplier to many important international programmes, including the Joint Strike Fighter (F-35) project.

• Kale is a major partner in Turkey’s defence and aerospace industries, participating in Turkey’s first National Infantry Rifle and Turbojet engine.

 

[T-123456]

Why is this chinky eyed writer of the article so mad at Turkey?

Who cares,there are mad people everywhere,it also looks like a bad translation.
Btw,there are Turkish chinky eyed people to,how do you call them?

 

[KediKesenFare3]

There is nothing to understand,as you know RR is one of the two leading partners of Eurojet(33%),the engine tech for the EJ-200 is largely based on the RR XG-40 technology demonstrator which was developed in the 1980s by RR.
So why go for ''second hand''(Eurojet) when you can get everything first hand(RR).
The deal is that the JV will develop a new engine for the TFX.
The EJ-200 is not good enough,the EJ-230 or EJ2x0 (or whatever they want to call it) with 20% better performance could be enough but im sure that RR can develop a similar or better performing engine.
TAI has the luxury to decide which one is best for the TFX.
https://www.rolls-royce.com/media/p...create-defence-aero-engine-joint-venture.aspx
I'd rather work with one(RR) partner then a consortium(Eurojet) of kind.


Hahahahahhaha,bro you beat me to it.

Thanks for the explanation. Why should the gov't opt for any other company than the RR/Kale JV in the first place? It wouldn't make sense at all.

 

[T-123456]

Thanks for the explanation. Why should the gov't opt for any other company than the RR/Kale JV in the first place? It wouldn't make sense at all.

Well,this makes sense doesnt it?
Quotes from the interview,
''Medium Term: Increasing the selected engine’s performance to the desired level by using the development margins of the selected engine and executing serial manufacturing with this engine.
EJ series.

Long Term: Designing more improved engines compatible with the interface and sizes with the serial production engines and conducting improvements with these new engines in the half-life modernization of the aircrafts.''
RR Kale JV engine.

 

[Successwill]

Who cares,there are mad people everywhere,it also looks like a bad translation.
Btw,there are Turkish chinky eyed people to,how do you call them?

How am i supposed to call?

 

[Mr.Department]

@T-123456

Means medium term : 10-15 years ?

long term : 15- 25 years ?

Thank you bro.