TF-X Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircraft Projects

[tonyget]

I doubt it but I'm confident that we'll beat China. We don't rely on industrial espionage like China does. We built many technologies from ground up.

Lol, that's a lot of confidence for a country which has never develop jet fighter before. I bet that you also confident that you can beat Warren Buffett in terms of investment return once you start your own investment.

None of it matters, If we looked at the Greek economy, If we looked at the population statistics etc. we would conclude that Greece should have a comparable defence industry to Turkey.
Spoiler alert: They don't.

It matters not if they have 1 billion or 15 billion populace. If it mattered India would be a superpower too and Israel would be a failed state like Syria.

I have full confidence in TFX. I think we have what it takes to make it happen and beat the J-20. Only question is when.

Bilateral trade tells alot about two country's relative competitive advantage. Look at bilateral trade statistics between China and Turkey

Turkey Imports from China - 2024 Data 2025 Forecast 1989-2022 Historical

Turkey Imports from China was US$41.35 Billion during 2022, according to the United Nations COMTRADE database on international trade. Turkey Imports from China - data, historical chart and statistics - was last updated on September of 2024.

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Turkey Exports to China - 2024 Data 2025 Forecast 1989-2022 Historical

Turkey Exports to China was US$3.28 Billion during 2022, according to the United Nations COMTRADE database on international trade. Turkey Exports to China - data, historical chart and statistics - was last updated on September of 2024.

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Turkey exports to China mainly consists of raw materials, minerals, agricultural products. Whereas China exports to Turkey mainly consists of machinery,electrical equipment,chemicals,pharmaceutical products. So Turkey exports low value added primary products to China, China exports high value added finished products to Turkey. This pretty much sum up the two country's position in global value chain.

 

[Super Falcon]

Are you trying to get a green card or something?

Did I said so

 

[Otonom Piyade]

This is another classical case of Turkish Superiority..

Your Superior Turkish Masters are keen to produce a homologous jets, not only one but several others combined with autonomous ones..

Just lay back and watch the show which you Superior Turkish Masters have put on the show..

 

[Deino]

This is another classical case of Turkish Superiority..

Your Superior Turkish Masters are keen to produce a homologous jets, not only one but several others combined with autonomous ones..

Just lay back and watch the show which you Superior Turkish Masters have put on the show..

Can you just stop trolling around as it Turkey is the master of the universe!? It is indeed amazing what they have achieved so far but in no way is there anything "superior" ... as such, wait for the party and what all will happen during maiden flight to service entry.

 

[Otonom Piyade]

Can you just stop trolling around as it Turkey is the master of the universe!? It is indeed amazing what they have achieved so far but in no way is there anything "superior" ... as such, wait for the party and what all will happen during maiden flight to service entry.

I throw in a bit of humour when i post... no offence to anyone..

 

[Celestyal]

National Combat Aircraft Group Presidency has just been established.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1625766724694941702

The "National Combat Aircraft Group Presidency" was established under the Presidency of Defense Industries. The newly established Group Presidency will focus solely on the TF-X Project.

It is considered that this change will make significant contributions to the speed of decisions to be taken regarding the TF-X program. On the other hand, other aircraft projects such as HÜRJET and HÜRKUŞ will be carried out by the Aircraft Department as before. Within the "TF-X Department", there are staff from the Air Force Command with the rank of Brigadier General.

 

[LegionnairE]

Why was @LegionnairE banned? Such a disservice to the forum as his impeccable views and perspectives richly enriches the forum. Sad to see respectable members hounded out like this while trolls run amok @Deino @waz

mods took the side of tranny towers, even though he provoked me calling me a greek

In fact I don't know ... I'm only able to moderate in the CHina section.

I opened a thread about it

 

[Foinikas]

mods took the side of tranny towers, even though he provoked me calling me a greek

Ah typical Trango Towers. He starts insulting and then complains to the mods that he is being insulted,even though he "didn't insult first"

 

[Celestyal]

TF-X started her engines and taxied on the runway for the very first time.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1628088343199088642

 

[Falcon26]

mods took the side of tranny towers, even though he provoked me calling me a greek


I opened a thread about it

Good to see you back.

 

[LegionnairE]

Good to see you back.

Thanks.

Although I suspect there won't be much to talk about following the earthquake. Everybody lost something, we're all grieving.

 

[Falcon26]

Thanks.

Although I suspect there won't be much to talk about following the earthquake. Everybody lost something, we're all grieving.

The earthquake has been devastating for Turkey & Syria. Keeping both countries in my thoughts and prayers.

 

[Celestyal]

New details regarding the aircraft have emerged.

The contracts for the Detail Design and Clarification Phase, which is planned to be completed by the last quarter of 2028, are expected to be signed at the DSEI 2023 fair to be held in England in September, when the CDR process of the Block 10 aircraft will be completed. It is anticipated that the Detail Design and Clarification Phase and IOC/FOC will cost approximately $7.3 billion, with an additional $14 billion required for mass production of the 5th generation MMU/TF-X warplanes. While the unit cost for prototype aircraft is estimated at 120 million dollars, it is estimated that mass production TF-X aircraft will cost 80 million dollars.

The materials used in the under structure of the MMU/TF-X aircraft are as follows:

-Forward Fuselage: 7050 T7451 aluminum alloy

-Forward-mid Fuselage: 7050 T7451 aluminum alloy. It is 5 meters wide, 4.2 meters long and 2.2 meters high, with a structural weight of 1470 kilograms.

-Wing Module System: Titanium. This section of the fuselage of the MMU/TF-X aircraft was built vertically and manufactured in one piece with the wings. Total weight of the structure is 2125 kilograms.

-Aft Fuselage System: Titanium. Its total weight is 3945 kilograms.

As things stand, the TF-X is larger and lighter than the Raptor.

In the MMU/TF-X aircraft, composite materials, namely UD, Uni-Directional epoxy resin impregnated Carbon Prepreg is used as the Body Shell. The design of the monolithic air intakes of the aircraft, which is made of composite materials using the hand layup method, features an S-duct geometry. It starts from the front body and extends to the rear engine section, 6 on the left and right, a total of 12. There are two Horizontal Stabilizers on the aircraft. A single one of these control surfaces is as large as the wing of an F-16. It is 2.9 meters wide, 4.1 meters long, 0.4 meters high, and weighs 235 kilograms.

In the information sharing about the MMU/TF-X GTU/P0 prototype, it was stated that they do not have any definitive data on the size and weight of the aircraft, because the figures supposedly emerged as the design got finalized and the domestic subsystems used in the aircraft were delivered. For instance, since the main and nose landing gears used in the aircraft have not been produced before, there is no weight information available for the landing gears, as the weight may increase or decrease when the quality of the material changes during the production, testing and delivery processes. Therefore, it is possible that there will be differences between the previously shared technical specifications of the aircraft and the technical specifications of the GTU/P0 and the next 7 prototypes. In the posters in the MMU hangar, the maximum speed of the aircraft was specified as Mach 2, the max altitude as 60,000 feet, the service ceiling as 55,000 feet, the maximum weight as 20,000lb, the G limits are +9/-3G, the turning performance is mach 0.9 and 9G at 15,000 feet, and 4G at 0,9 mach and 30,000 feet.


thx to İbrahim Sünnetçi

 

[Otonom Piyade]

New details regarding the aircraft have emerged.

The contracts for the Detail Design and Clarification Phase, which is planned to be completed by the last quarter of 2028, are expected to be signed at the DSEI 2023 fair to be held in England in September, when the CDR process of the Block 10 aircraft will be completed. It is anticipated that the Detail Design and Clarification Phase and IOC/FOC will cost approximately $7.3 billion, with an additional $14 billion required for mass production of the 5th generation MMU/TF-X warplanes. While the unit cost for prototype aircraft is estimated at 120 million dollars, it is estimated that mass production TF-X aircraft will cost 80 million dollars.

The materials used in the under structure of the MMU/TF-X aircraft are as follows:

-Forward Fuselage: 7050 T7451 aluminum alloy

-Forward-mid Fuselage: 7050 T7451 aluminum alloy. It is 5 meters wide, 4.2 meters long and 2.2 meters high, with a structural weight of 1470 kilograms.

-Wing Module System: Titanium. This section of the fuselage of the MMU/TF-X aircraft was built vertically and manufactured in one piece with the wings. Total weight of the structure is 2125 kilograms.

-Aft Fuselage System: Titanium. Its total weight is 3945 kilograms.

As things stand, the TF-X is larger and lighter than the Raptor.

In the MMU/TF-X aircraft, composite materials, namely UD, Uni-Directional epoxy resin impregnated Carbon Prepreg is used as the Body Shell. The design of the monolithic air intakes of the aircraft, which is made of composite materials using the hand layup method, features an S-duct geometry. It starts from the front body and extends to the rear engine section, 6 on the left and right, a total of 12. There are two Horizontal Stabilizers on the aircraft. A single one of these control surfaces is as large as the wing of an F-16. It is 2.9 meters wide, 4.1 meters long, 0.4 meters high, and weighs 235 kilograms.

In the information sharing about the MMU/TF-X GTU/P0 prototype, it was stated that they do not have any definitive data on the size and weight of the aircraft, because the figures supposedly emerged as the design got finalized and the domestic subsystems used in the aircraft were delivered. For instance, since the main and nose landing gears used in the aircraft have not been produced before, there is no weight information available for the landing gears, as the weight may increase or decrease when the quality of the material changes during the production, testing and delivery processes. Therefore, it is possible that there will be differences between the previously shared technical specifications of the aircraft and the technical specifications of the GTU/P0 and the next 7 prototypes. In the posters in the MMU hangar, the maximum speed of the aircraft was specified as Mach 2, the max altitude as 60,000 feet, the service ceiling as 55,000 feet, the maximum weight as 20,000lb, the G limits are +9/-3G, the turning performance is mach 0.9 and 9G at 15,000 feet, and 4G at 0,9 mach and 30,000 feet.


thx to İbrahim Sünnetçi

Well done broseph... very critical information indeed.. thanks for sharing it with us.

 

[Celestyal]

The rollout date of the TF-X has been postponed due to the recent earthquakes in Turkey. The program itself continues without delays.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1631589374017118208