Terrorism, Shameless Religious Bigotry and Pakistani Mindset

[Capt.Popeye]

Hi

Yes the agenda of the article is pretty obvious to label Islam as intolerant religion towards other religions, so if i have to say again yes its anti islamic article & thread, jews kill people in Palestine no one writes Jewish bigotry & cruelty, Americans have killed thousands of people in Iraq but no one sees them as crimes against humanity why ?

Please do read the article again. IMHO, the writer seems to be speaking about people only (hence his use of 'we' 'us' etc.). Can we thus consider this to be synonymous with a religious belief. NO!
Therefore, Islam cannot be considered "intolerant" towards other religions. i personally hold no brief for any religious beliefs; and yet it would near-impossible for anyone to convince me to find any such "intolerance". PEOPLE can be and in fact are, intolerant.
(and they can be from any grouping- national, communal, gender or religion)
About the other point that you write about viz. Jews, Americans etc. i agree with you; but like to be clear again that it is PEOPLE of those groups that are culpable. And those actions can still be classified as crimes against humanity.
There we go again, its PEOPLE committing crimes against PEOPLE.

Good Luck

 

[forcetrip]

Total Anti Islam people here, think if they repersent Islam and Pakistan so people belive. The real Muslims prefer to die than acepting Islam as terrorist

We have a winner here .. You have won heaven by condoning the blood of innocents on the streets. God bless you and your Islam.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Its just serving its purpose of creation.

some people are still unable to get that theres is only a slight mention of Ahmadis in first two paras

& they are seeing conspirators & they even don't see 'sense' behind words of Quaid :face-palm:

PS: there must be a face palm icon

 

[forcetrip]

I need a brick wall with a forehead and lots of blood. Now thats an icon for us Pakistanis at this stage.

 

[T-Faz]

This is for some people here

 

[Kompromat]

My single question to the post-Zia children who have never understood the narrative of our past (the real version):-

Before Ahmedis weren't legally non-Mulsims, when there were no blasphemy laws, when there was no criminal offence of fornication, there was no legal ban of consumption of liquor, betting, gambling and when there was no article 227 (all existing laws shall be brought in conformity with the Injunctions of Islam as laid down in the Holy Quran and Sunnah, in this Part referred to as the Injunctions of Islam, and no law shall be enacted which is repugnant to such Injunctions), when there was no Federal Shariat Court or Council of Islam Ideology that interpreted state governance under religious ideology; were the people of Pakistan living an "un-Islamic" life? Were they non-Muslims or misguided? Were they confused about the separation of religion and state (there being no popular demand for such religious laws and these were promulgated forcefully rather than based on public opinion)? Were our elders misguided or was the re-born face of political Islam imported from Saudi Arabia and strengthened by our children of Maududi in direct confrontation with the previous strands of Islam in South Asia? Why did the people of Pakistan never demand a widely political role of Islam before that time? Were the lack of such "Islamic" provisions in our criminal and civil offences a symbol of "westernization", the dreaded "secularization" or directly "non-Islamic"?

I demand answers from the post-Zia children (not that I am not one of them but I do not agree with the post-Zia narrative handed down and accepted by our urban middle class youth)

Sir i Don't give a damn about what zia did or what he brought in the Pakistani society , he was a obtuse to a moronic level.

It makes me a little sad that you map our society on those basis which were set by a stupid dumb **** dictator.

First of all to me Zia himself and what he gave is not valid but i will agree that those things that he did still exist such as Talibans etc and they have radicalized our youth over the years.

But apart from the fact that zia's image still exists i dont think it is important enough that we map our Mental stance and of our younger generations by using his amendments.

The Answer is that Pakistan was meant to be the right place for Muslims of this region to live in peace and harmony and reap the fruit of the developments moreover to live in a progressive Islamic society.

I wont support secularism neither i support the current system in Pakistan as i have lived in both and i am aware of ins and outs which makes me believe that NONE of both of these systems are going to work in a country like Pakistan.

We need to come up with a new idea which can cater for all types of people living in this society , its not too hard i believe .

Thanks

 

[Maj. Gel. Tariq khan]

so you want,'Islam religion of terrorist and Pakistan is hub of it' thats all? And cure is to leave Islam and modrenized like eourpe? But remember you have to face next life.. Where you get what you did.. Then you came to know is Islam is gud or bad..

 

[DaRk WaVe]

so you want,'Islam religion of terrorist and Pakistan is hub of it' thats all? And cure is to leave Islam and modrenized like eourpe? But remember you have to face next life.. Where you get what you did.. Then you came to know is Islam is gud or bad..

your highness, I beg you to stop it now, You have been declared victorious

 

[sparklingway]

I did not demand a response as to whether Zia was a demon or not. I demanded answers to clear cut questions I mentioned.

Anybody who feels that separation between religion and state is an utterly flawed idea should try to answer my questions. They aren't perfect or lay out my entire though about their opinion but try to establish reasoning over valid points.

The board is yours to point out your thoughts, opinion and views on our society of yesteryear's and our elders' religious views.

 

[Kompromat]

People please calm down and stop posting the idiotic images and comments --dullards.

 

[sparklingway]

People please calm down and stop posting the idiotic images and comments --dullards.

Facepalms are necessary more than often and are a service to humanity.

 

[T-Faz]

Facepalms are necessary more than often and are a service to humanity.

Especially when discussing a serious topic on PDF and it leads to accusations of Islam being insulted or leaving our religious duties.

 

[Kompromat]

I did not demand a response as to whether Zia was a demon or not. I demanded answers to clear cut questions I mentioned.

Anybody who feels that separation between religion and state is an utterly flawed idea should try to answer my questions. They aren't perfect or lay out my entire though about their opinion but try to establish reasoning over valid points.

The board is yours to point out your thoughts, opinion and views on our society of yesteryear's and our elders' religious views.

Sir according to me the state and religion cannot be separated specially when you are living in a country which was created in the name of Religion.

The Australian parliament which is an arrant secular democracy starts its proceedings with the reciting of Bible.

Its just a small example and you know how things are like in pakistan don't you , changing people's mindset is a one hell of task.

We cannot just transform the whole nation from one mindset to another within few months it wont work , considering that Pakistanis though part time Muslims are still very emotional about their religious sentiments and they believe that State and Religion cannot be separated.

Current Pakistani youth wont let it happen either , provided the mullah factor will make it even tough , the country will yet again fell into some deep trouble because of it.

I dont know sir that what was your youth time in Pakistan but my time spent in Pakistan which is almost 16 years gives me a flavor of religious sentiments and people's wishes of the Govt to be a guardian Their religion.


This is why i am saying again that Secularism which is a total separation of religion from state and a Fanatic and Radical Islamic laws are a Big no no.

 

[Kompromat]

Facepalms are necessary more than often and are a service to humanity.

Screwed .

 

[desiman]

your fighting a lone battle Emo lol