ajpirzada
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Terrorism, Shameless Religious Bigotry and Pakistani Mindset
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What is really dangerous is the complete inability of the media as well as general public to even effectively condemn, let alone stop, horrific acts like religious violence and even general terrorism.
well from wat i remember, media was filled with coverage of such attacks. be it ahmedis or gojra incident.
A few sporadic and weak protests are raised
when exactly was there a protest against any attack? all the protest has been in media which is still the same.
while the majority either calls it a grand conspiracy of the West to defame Islam or gives even more hypocritical apologetic defense.
really? looking at few strikes by JUI (who have got nothing else to do and hardly get any vote) and labelling it on the whole society is uncalled for. and if everyone was just taking it as a conspiracy then u wouldnt be seeing such massive support for military operations against these terrorist outfits.
Ours is a shallow society which is ready to get enraged over cartoons and Facebook but completely impotent when something far more sinister happens. Killing of so many innocent people should draw far more condemnation and yet all we do is to knit conspiracy theories.
bogus. i have explained this before.
.In fact our intellectual abilities are generally geared towards knitting conspiracy theories and providing apologetic defense to monsters like Taliban
plz move on. u have said the same thing few times now.
In my opinion the failure to condemn and criticize is even more horrifying than the actual tragedy because this insensitivity provides the conducive environment for future sustenance of this hate filled behavior.
again. plz move on. i can see ur disliking for our society.
Our society features rabble rousers and bigots like Zaid Hamids and Dr. Amir Liaqat as the media stars who are actually patronized by mainstream media and promoted by the corporate sector through advertisements.
loool. partronized by few tv anchors i will say. and we know how many pakistanis actually support them. remember takmeel e pakistan show at minar e pakistan? how many ppl really turned up?
Such characters have openly incited hatred against the Ahmedi community and have also given apologetic defense to terrorism.
well i dont know when did zaid hamid say anything about ahmedis and when did he defend TTP. though he calls them indian funded which even our army establishment believes. to be honest its logical for indians for fund TTP. nothing shocking here.
In civilized countries such people are hated and in our side these are actually adulated. It is this shameless insensitivity, not the grand conspiracies of the West, which breeds terrorism and religious bigotry.
after every single argument this person goes back to cursing the society. instead he forgets that its the same society which gives away everything when a disaster comes. lik Earthquake and Malakand IDPs. but no few JUI ppl represent us all.
There will be people who would say that in Pakistan even the Muslims are target of terrorism and so therefore this time reference to religious bigotry should not be made. After all, the incident is likely to have been carried out by Pakistani Taliban who have also conducted suicide attacks in the Sunni majority areas. MY RESPONSE WOULD BE THAT WE ARE NOT EVEN ABLE TO CONDEMN THESE MONSTERS WHEN THEY ATTACK US. Therefore to expect that our public will condemn when they attack minorities is actually expecting too much and in fact I know that when it comes to minorities like Ahmedis and Shias, actually such incidences are not even construed as something wrong. Due to hatred against the minorities such incidence would actually find little to no condemnation.
same bogus argument. every excluding few (same few which u find in every society) have condemned such attacks. and the argument of such attacks going on against everyone still hold its ground. i dont remember if anyone ever came out on streets to protest against bomb blast doesnt matter if 10 ppl die or 50.
And even when such attacks are conducted against the general public they are conveniently blamed on the grand conspiracy of USA.
Oh my God. again. back to the same line. if i had taken this out half of the article would have disappeared.
THE CENTRAL ISSUE IS OF OUR MINDSET WHICH IS DELUSIONAL AND HAS BEEN NURTURED THROUGH ISLAMIC MYTHOLOGY ACCORDING TO WHICH MUSLIMS ARE SUPERIOR IN CALIBRE AS WELL AS VIRTUE AND THEREFORE CANNOT INDULGE IN ANYTHING SINISTER LIKE TERRORISM.
didnt know where this guy got this from. all i have heard is that terrorism has no religion. and everyone accepts these TTP ppl claim to be muslims. even JUI accepts them to be muslims. wat else do u want....
In Pakistan, this pattern of thinking is also supplemented by a strong dose of ultra nationalism which assumes Pakistan with its nuclear arsenal to be spearheading the revival of the lost glory of Islam.
Primarily this mindset is outward looking and assumes that due to Pakistans supreme importance in the above context, all the non Muslim forces are jealous and therefore trying to create a conducive environment to purge our nuclear arsenal through planting extremism.
i guess he has been reading too much into conspiracy theories. but still west (or groups in west) targeting our nuclear assets is not a massive conspiracy theory given the amount of propaganda we see in western media. taking everything at face value is nothing but naive. as far as lost glory is concerned, well there are more protests in pakistan on electricity shortages than any other thing. but even otherwise who doesnt really want that? seriously do u not want to return to golden age of Islam?
INHERENTLY RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY IS ALSO STRONGLY IMBEDDED IN THIS MINDSET BECAUSE OF ASSUMED SUPERIORITY OF PURE MUSLIMS AND DEEP SUSPICION OF NON MUSLIMS.
back to the same argument.
Consequently even those sects such as Ahmedis who identify themselves as Muslims are often called agents planted by the British and later on USA to wreck havoc in the Islamic worlds unity.
well to be honest i have never heard in my whole lyf in pak anyone calling ahmedis as British/US agents. if someone did ever say such a thing, it was so rare that i dont even remember. this person must change his neighbourhood.
Hatred against non Muslims and conspiracy theories become the main paradigm through which we see the world.
come on............ not again
This mindset has become particularly vigorous after 9/11. Throughout the post 9/11 period, I have just listened to non sense conspiracy theories and complete irrational apologetic defense. Everything is generally blamed on USA and in this process we end up strengthening dark nihilist forces of terrorism and religious extremism.
a lot has changed after 9/11..... calling 9/11 a conspiracy is indeed a weird thing but a common pakistani blaming US for its problems is not weird at all. the way they came to afghanistan and let the whole mess spill into pakistan was indeed tragic. furthermore rise of TTP was also from a drone attack in 2004. and its not just US, ppl also blame musharraf for this mess so dont worry about ppl blaming US alone.
In fact I remember when these monsters attacked Islamic International University, after two day students were protesting not against Taliban but against Kerry Luger bill!
lol.. sorry to say but kerry luger bill was more important than bomb blasts which had almost become a daily routine.
In near past, just because USA was forcing us to take a timely action against the militants, we were all against it because in our heads it was against us and our own people. Those delays eventually enabled the militants to have a complete foothold in places like Swat. When news regarding the Taliban atrocities started to emerge, we refused to believe them because some of the western channels were also airing them. As late as 2009, when flogging video went on air, instead of being appalled, the entire media thrust was on proving that it was a fake. It had to be propaganda against Islam and us. The Nazam-e Adl deal was virtually endorsed by our media and a large section of sensation loving romantic nationalist urban middleclass.
how different do we look at similar things. i call this the most clever move in our war against TTP. had we not gone for talks and given TTP enough room to expose themselves, we wouldnt have achieved any of the later victories. how else were u meant to expose them? it was an infamous war initiated by musharraf at the behest of US.
following paragraphs include same old talk
Right now it has to be understood that despite differences, at least in one critical aspect, USAs and our interests are common: we face a common enemy. And yet just because they are saying it, we are opposing it and in the process treading on a self destructive path.
when are we opposing it? arent we conducting operation in our tribal agencies but at our own pace. does he want us to nuke the tribal belt to prove to him that we are against TTP. enough of our soldiers have given their lives to prove our seriousness. wake up dude....
The effects of this mindset, if unchecked, will go beyond the current battle against Taliban. As the anti US rhetoric is whipped into frenzy and becomes a popular rallying point, the politics will no longer be an art of identifying core issues and striving to address them but merely expanding the borders of this parallel universe
anti US is not a rhetoric but based on facts. just bec he says so does not change the history... and furthermore its not just the pakistan but US support for israel and their killing of muslims in iraq are also amongst reasons for which anti US sentiment prevails in pakistan.
Thank you very much.......