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[scorpionx]

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Somebody please close this thread

 

[halupridol]

Somebody please close this thread

 

[Indrani]

Plenty of doctors agreed. Steve Jobs agreed. You can hold any opinion you want.

Btw, what makes you think he isn't a medical professional? He is a cancer expert.

"Harvard Medical School researcher and faculty member" "Ramzi Amri wrote in an extraordinarily detailed post to Quora, an online Q&A forum popular among Silicon Valley executives." Writing in Quora, a forum, not a newspaper.

From the article, "a researcher in the department of surgery at the medical school and research fellow at Massachusetts General Hospital—Amri emphasized, "I wrote that on a PERSONAL title and it's my PERSONAL opinion."

He was not a doctor.

Plus, this is what he states "In Quora, Amri expressed his "profoundest respect" for Jobs and that "I do not pretend to know anything about the case on a personal level and I never participated in the care of Mr. Jobs."

Plus, "Amri went on to say that, even after entering conventional medical care, the Apple CEO seemed to eschew the most practical forms of treatment. Addressing the period when Jobs began to visibly shed weight, Amri wrote, "it seems that even during this recurrent phase, Mr. Jobs opted to dedicate his time to Apple as the disease progressed, instead of opting for chemotherapy or any other conventional treatment."


So Jobs seeking of alternative medicines was in the initial phase when most doctors also would agree with more investigations and second opinions. A standard practice. Next, his neglect of chemotherapy in his recurrent phase which is assumed to be much later.

If you miss all that, there is still lack of that most important title "Dr." before his name.

 

[Bang Galore]

"Harvard Medical School researcher and faculty member" "Ramzi Amri wrote in an extraordinarily detailed post to Quora, an online Q&A forum popular among Silicon Valley executives." Writing in Quora, a forum, not a newspaper.

From the article, "a researcher in the department of surgery at the medical school and research fellow at Massachusetts General Hospital—Amri emphasized, "I wrote that on a PERSONAL title and it's my PERSONAL opinion."

He was not a doctor.

Plus, this is what he states "In Quora, Amri expressed his "profoundest respect" for Jobs and that "I do not pretend to know anything about the case on a personal level and I never participated in the care of Mr. Jobs."

Plus, "Amri went on to say that, even after entering conventional medical care, the Apple CEO seemed to eschew the most practical forms of treatment. Addressing the period when Jobs began to visibly shed weight, Amri wrote, "it seems that even during this recurrent phase, Mr. Jobs opted to dedicate his time to Apple as the disease progressed, instead of opting for chemotherapy or any other conventional treatment."


So Jobs seeking of alternative medicines was in the initial phase when most doctors also would agree with more investigations and second opinions. A standard practice. Next, his neglect of chemotherapy in his recurrent phase which is assumed to be much later.

If you miss all that, there is still lack of that most important title "Dr." before his name.

Everybody writes in their personal capacity, not in connection with the post that are holding. This is common practice.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/ramri
Ramzi Amri | Harvard Catalyst Profiles | Harvard Catalyst

Look up the above. Enlightening. Nor does the fact there is an MSc mean anything particular. Don't know about this particular case but your idea that no Dr. means non-medical is actually wrong. No Surgeon in the UK for example is called Dr. They would be called Mr.

Universiteit van Amsterdam
Master's degree, Medical School

No idea what it means but its there.

 

[Koovie]

Somebody please close this thread

Let the idiots keep talking ....


While we Malayalees keep on living our daily lives.... Adorable how a bunch of religious nutheads care about us

 

[Indrani]

Everybody writes in their personal capacity, not in connection with the post that are holding. This is common practice.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/ramri
Ramzi Amri | Harvard Catalyst Profiles | Harvard Catalyst

Look up the above. Enlightening. Nor does the fact there is an MSc mean anything particular. Don't know about this particular case but your idea that no Dr. means non-medical is actually wrong. No Surgeon in the UK for example is called Dr. They would be called Mr.


No idea what it means but its there.

Ramzi Amri, M.Sc.

Lead author in colon cancer surgery research projects at Massachusetts General Hospital.
Focus on prognostic factors, complication prevention, and disparities in care.
Working under supervision of Dr. David L.Berger, director of the MGH Colorectal group.

No Dr. means no doctor. That is the practice in USA and in India. Do not know about UK though, I will have to look it up.

Do not know what you wanted to convey with the other link. Could not make any sense of it.

Generally when a cancer specialist, called as an oncologist or a cancer surgeon has an opinion about a subject, his title is mentioned along with the specialization.

 

[Bang Galore]

Ramzi Amri, M.Sc.

Lead author in colon cancer surgery research projects at Massachusetts General Hospital.
Focus on prognostic factors, complication prevention, and disparities in care.
Working under supervision of Dr. David L.Berger, director of the MGH Colorectal group.

No Dr. means no doctor. That is the practice in USA and in India. Do not know about UK though, I will have to look it up.

Do not know what you wanted to convey with the other link. Could not make any sense of it.

He has a masters degree from Medical school in Amsterdam

In any case, you are now simply stretching the argument. He is a cancer expert and his opinion is relevant even if he wasn't a doctor. Plenty of others doctors agreed with that opinion, including those that treated Steve Jobs. Why do you think he regretted his decision not to have surgery earlier?

Steve Jobs' Cancer Treatment Regrets - Forbes
Steve Jobs 'regretted trying to beat cancer with alternative medicine for so long' - Telegraph
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/biographer-jobs-refused-early-and-potentially-life-saving-surgery/
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/oct/21/steve-jobs-cancer-surgery-regret


We will never know definitively whether he might have lived longer had he had surgery earlier, what we do know is that he might have & that the alternate medicine he tried did him no good whatsoever.

 

[Indrani]

He has a masters degree from Medical school in Amsterdam

In this case it is just Master of Science. Not a medical doctor.

Plus oncologists and cancer surgeons in general do not work as researchers, not in USA where they can command a salary of $300,000 dollars a year to more than $600,000.

Oh when he eschewed conventional medicine both in his initial stages as well as was noncompliant in his later stages, does not talk a great deal about his faith in conventional medicine. Did he regret it during his drug induced painful state, yeah it is as relevant as an atheist finding god when the clergy appears to him moment before his death and continuously offers salvation and then declares the patient died a Christian in the end with having accepted Christ as his savior.

Also as stated it was a slow growing tumor, 9 months of neglect when looking for alternatives, when it was an incidental finding in the first place, would have hardly any bearing on how the case was going to proceed further on.

 

[Bang Galore]

In this case it is just Master of Science. Not a medical doctor.

Plus oncologists and cancer surgeons in general do not work as researchers, not in USA where they can command a salary of $300,000 dollars a year to more than $600,000.

Oh when he eschewed conventional medicine both in his initial stages as well as was noncompliant in his later stages, does not talk a great deal about his faith in conventional medicine. Did he regret it during his drug induced painful state, yeah it is as relevant as an atheist finding god when the clergy appears to him moment before his death and continuously offers salvation.

Also as stated it was a slow growing tumor, 9 months of neglect when looking for alternatives, when it was an incidental finding in the first place, would have hardly any bearing on how the case was going to proceed further on.

MSc does not mean he isn't a medical doctor. He has an MD attached to his name, that would suggest he is a medical doctor.

We will never know whether it had a bearing, that would have been known only when they opened him up. However what we do know is that the period in between was a wasted one.

 

[Indrani]

MSc does not mean he isn't a medical doctor. He has an MD attached to his name, that would suggest he is a medical doctor.

We will never know whether it had a bearing, that would have been known only when they opened him up. However what we do know is that the period in between was a wasted one.

He is not a medical doctor. This is his facebook page. He is still doing his internship. That MD title is a misquote.

Ramzi Amri - Since I'm back to doing (unpaid) internships... | Facebook

Also read his Quora interview

What is it like when your Quora answer unexpectedly goes viral? - Quora


Ramzi Amri, MD/PhD candidate (Surgical Oncology)
Votes by John H. Hillman, V, Jen Evans, Adam Mordecai, Quora User, (more)

So I'm the guy who wrote this 1000+ upvotes answer to Why did Steve Jobs choose not to effectively treat his cancer?
...and it almost got my *** fired. Yes, you heard me. Fired. Meaning: ousted out of my academic position at Harvard, effectively ruining my career.

I think it is something no one would expect to happen after a simple post here, and neither did I, but I guess that somewhere in the very definition of going viral, is that it happens unexpectedly and out of patient zero's reach.

This is what happened:

I posted the piece on October 12th, after a long period of hesitation, and upon request. It instantly attracted a lot of attention, gathering over 400 upvotes that night.

The day after, Ryan Tate contacted me in the afternoon and asked me a few questions about it. Later that night I noticed that he dedicated a full piece about it on Gawker.

He cited me as a Harvard cancer expert in the title, which did not truly reflect my credentials and was irrelevant to the story. Yet I could live with that, as he clearly (using full caps!) stated later in the piece that it was my personal opinion. I am indeed doing full-time cancer research at Harvard, albeit as a humble grad scholar, with a research associate appointment (bottom of the faculty food chain). I don't have my PhD yet and I'm actually focused on colon cancer, not pancreas tumors.

I just smiled away and let it be. "No biggie," I thought. It would probably blow over in a few days, especially with the iPhone 4S release on the 14th.

The thing got 300k+ views on the night of the 13th to the 14th. But that still wasn't that much of an issue. What really screwed things up was the media sources that picked it up next.

The Daily Mail got its fangs into the piece:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/...
(note how they even failed to spell my name correctly).

Let me give you a little taste of what they did: In my piece, I never cite my affiliations, which are relevant neither to my opinions nor the context of the story. Besides, as I said in the piece itself, the knowledge I have on Pancreatic Neuroendocrine tumors—the kind Jobs had—was gathered when I was doing research as a student back in Amsterdam.

The Daily Mail styled me as Dr. Ramzi Amri, a "leading authority" in the field of pancreatic cancer, and chose to editorialise that I, some sort of big shot, was putting the blame on Steve Jobs' death on his choice of alternative medicine, by very cleverly selecting quotes from the piece.

In my Quora piece, I clearly state in my first line that "I do not pretend to know anything about the case on a personal level and I never participated in the care of Mr. Jobs" and I conclude with a full paragraph on the importance of respecting people's treatment choices, no matter how much we may disagree with them.

So the Daily Mail writes this piece overnight, publishes it on their UK site and the paper edition. That morning, I wake up to hundreds of other media sources mindlessly duplicating the Mail's story in copycat articles.

You can browse through the buzz of those first few days here:

http://www.google.com/search?q=%...

...don't think any of these sources bothered checking the accuracy of the story by going to Quora or checking in with me.

Most people who took the effort to read my piece understood its balanced and respectful intentions (there was, after all, the prominent disclaimer). The idea behind my piece was to clear speculation and misconceptions from the case and try to give a little perspective to those who wanted to learn from it, without pretending to know the absolute truth, at the same time underlining the sanctity of patients' freedom of treatment choices—even life-shortening ones.

The people who read only the Daily Mail piece thought much less of me for obvious reasons. Worse yet—and this was one of the most gut-wrenching aspects of it—some people with pancreatic cancer started emailing me on my public Harvard email address to ask whether I could help them with their untreatable pancreatic cancer cases. Not only was it impossible for me to help, I was already suspended pending investigation when this started happening and forbidden to have any external communication.

You might understand that Harvard and Mass General's PR departments almost had a stroke when their daily check found this story about an alleged cancer-superexpert from Harvard Med openly blaming Steve Jobs for his own death.

Their angry eyes obviously turned to me, and it was only after a long and careful investigation that the highest authorities cleared me.

Judged by reputation damage, it was a very close call. During the investigation, my future was in the balance, so I barely slept, lost ten pounds and even couldn't swallow food at times due to an adrenaline-dried mouth.

It wasn't until the biographer of Steve Jobs confirmed the conclusions and hypotheses in my piece on 60 Minutes that the interest in my piece got overshadowed and the media storm finally settled, as the room for speculation narrowed.

 

[Bang Galore]

He is not a medical doctor. This is his facebook page. He is still doing his internship. That MD title is a misquote..

In the U.S. maybe but his qualification lists him as having an MD from Universiteit van Amsterdam
Btw, the facebook messages does suggest that he is either an MD or getting there alongside getting a Phd. Can't have that as a possibility unless he is a doctor.

Ramzi AmriI still do and I'm actually getting close, but I still need money for ordinary day to day life and my PhD doesn't get me that now that I'm out of the US!

Emilya Burdwell if you do become an MD, my doctor is already old, you can take his place.

 

[Indrani]

In the U.S. maybe but his qualification lists him as having an MD from Universiteit van Amsterdam
Btw, the facebook messages does suggest that he is either an MD or getting there alongside getting a Phd. Can't have that as a possibility unless he is a doctor.

No he is not a doctor. His MD title comes from his Phd. Since it is called a doctorate and his Phd. is not recognized in Amsterdam.

 

[Bang Galore]

No he is not a doctor. His MD title comes from his Phd. Since it is called a doctorate and his Phd. is not recognized in Amsterdam.

MD in the US is very clearly used only by medical practitioners, not others with Phd. It is actually a distinguishing mark. I don't know what other degrees you get in a medical school. In any case, we have been through this ground before. Getting to be a bit pointless.

We can agree to disagree if you wish.

 

[Indrani]

From the Quora piece above which was in 2013. He is a grad scholar (student) still doing PhD.

" I am indeed doing full-time cancer research at Harvard, albeit as a humble grad scholar, with a research associate appointment (bottom of the faculty food chain). I don't have my PhD yet and I'm actually focused on colon cancer, not pancreas tumors."

The Daily Mail styled me as Dr. Ramzi Amri, a "leading authority" in the field of pancreatic cancer, and chose to editorialise that I, some sort of big shot, was putting the blame on Steve Jobs' death on his choice of alternative medicine, by very cleverly selecting quotes from the piece.

Which was blatantly false. This is how most reports in most newspapers get twisted.

 

[dray]

Still in the defence of bigotry I see.
Provide proof that ratio is skewed in Hindu management schools.
The last example you provided has left you with eggs on your face.

Is it desperation to prove yourself right or you always need to be spoon-feed? I gave you several websites of RKM schools, we could have gone through them. Check each of the links:

Ramakrishna Mission Residential College :: An Autonomous College under University of Calcutta
Ramakrishna Mission Residential College :: An Autonomous College under University of Calcutta
Ramakrishna Mission Residential College :: An Autonomous College under University of Calcutta
Ramakrishna Mission Residential College :: An Autonomous College under University of Calcutta
Ramakrishna Mission Residential College :: An Autonomous College under University of Calcutta
Ramakrishna Mission Residential College :: An Autonomous College under University of Calcutta

Now tell me the ratio.

No problem. It is fun seeing them run around like headless chicken accusing everybody of being Manvan

Mavan is the new Godwin law .................. how cool is that ?

You think too high about yourself..........unnecessarily!!