Tejas team to put 'best ever' aerobatics in Bahrain

[Windjammer]

For anyone having difficulty in accepting some realities, here's JF-17 manufacturing plant, PAC Kamra, Pakistan.
@HRK @Manticore

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Not sure what are you trying to prove here, there's no effort to hide the fuselage like say a ballistic missile.
It's no secret that initially some aircraft were manufactured in China before the production and assembly plant was moved to Pakistan. Some of the engine casing remained in China which were eventually transported to Pakistan.
You are not exactly talking about say an Airbus that individual fuselage get shipped out.

I am getting at the people that keeping talking how homemade LCA isn't, compared to JF.

Please tell me, is France moving an assembly line to India for LCA, jigs and all? Or does India need help fabricating it fuselage from anyone, at any time? So let's not talk about what's more homemade.

Some of you guys love to use European consultancy to bash the program. Yet, China used Russia's MIG for this program as well. What did you do if the senior partner in the program hired help?

Do you have an industry to produce some of the things LCA needs to import? Do you even have the R&D budget or culture for that?

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

I am getting at the people that keeping talking how homemade LCA isn't, compared to JF.

Please tell me, is France moving an assembly line to India for LCA, jigs and all? Or does India need help fabricating it fuselage from anyone, at any time? So let's not talk about what's more homemade.

Some of you guys love to use European consultancy to bash the program. Yet, China used Russia's MIG's for this program as well. What did you do if the senior partner in the program as for help?

Do you have an industry to produce some of the thing s LCA needs to import? Do you even have the R&D budget or culture for that?

Do not embarass Windy.

He will come back with response JF17, 5 years back, 50k sorties. Nothing more. I have no idea if they have IOC, FOC practises at all.
JF17 conducted all kind of weapon test after induction. We are doing it before induction.

 

[HRK]

You're telling me you got your first 8 jf17 in 12-13?

Are you assuming that a pic which surface in 2012 or 2013 is actually from that year .... ??

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Are you assuming that a pic which surface in 2012 or 2013 is actually from that year .... ??

Yes -

This was the caption then -

The (Pakistan Air Force) PAF's IL-78MKP Multi-Role Tanker Transport (MRTT) has been spotted at Chengdu few days ago for bringing back the semi-knocked-down CAC-built JF-17 Thunders fighter jets to PAC Kamra.

 

[HRK]

Yes -

This was the caption then -

The (Pakistan Air Force) PAF's IL-78MKP Multi-Role Tanker Transport (MRTT) has been spotted at Chengdu few days ago for bringing back the semi-knocked-down CAC-built JF-17 Thunders fighter jets to PAC Kamra.

What should I make out it .... I am sure you are not naive but acting like the one ... simple prove that this pic was taken in 2012-2013 (not the uploaded date but the date when it was actually taken)

& plz you are not an idiot I know as I am aware of your posting in Indian section stand-up to your 'rapo' You are quoting me a CAPTION as a prove that the pic was taken 2012-2013 is it some sort of stupidity competition or what ....???

 

[Water Car Engineer]

What should I make out it .... I am sure you are not naive but acting like the one ... simple prove that this pic was taken in 2012-2013 (not the uploaded date but the date when it was actually taken)

& plz you are not an idiot I know as I am aware of your posting in Indian section stand-up to your 'rapo' You are quoting me a CAPTION as a prove that the pic was taken 2012-2013 is it some sort of stupidity competition or what ....???

This is all you will get -

IL-78MP Multi-Role Tanker Transport (MRTT) Ferrying JF-17 Thunder Jets | Pakistan Military Review

If the caption says it was spotted a few days ago and the most recent uploads are 2012, I will take it as face value. Why dont you prove it's from the initial batches from 08ish?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

..don't know..
..but you can tell whether the pilot of crashed JF-17 had the policy or not.
He expired...too bad...

@HRK

 

[HRK]

This is all you will get -

Yes exactly this is my point 'is this all' .... ???

I will take it as face value.

& you take every thing at face value ...right .... ??

Why dont you prove it's from the initial batches from 08ish?

its your laundry do it yourself .... don't expect others to work for you & for 'your cause'...

@HRK

leave it he might be some insurance agent .... us ki feeling samjoo mare bhai .... haar cheez 'face value' per mat loo

 

[Water Car Engineer]

its your laundry do it yourself .... don't expect others to work for you & 'your cause'...

What cause? I can care less how any country, especially a third world country works out their programs. Like I said several times before - steal, copy, hire scientist/engineers, buy out companies. I dont care, everyone did it before anyway and still do.

But I will call out people when they say LCA isnt a homegrown development, and use JF17 as an example of their super duper homegrown fighter when you have to get knocked down kits at any point, help setting up it's assembly line, even the senior designer hires outside consultancy. It sounds no different to MKI at that point.

As far as the picture, I will take it as face value.

 

[HRK]

What cause?

this cause

But I will call out people when they say LCA isnt a homegrown development, and use JF17 as an example of their super duper homegrown fighter

 

[Water Car Engineer]

this cause

Already did - LCA never requires any knockdown kits at any point, no assistance with it's assembly line from any other country but India, not being certified any where else but India and by Indians. While in your JV, China did majority of the leg work, because they have an aerospace industry that's significantly older and experienced. So I dont know what people are going about how LCA isnt Indian, but somehow JF is super 100% Pakistani effort.

 

[scientien]

No. He keeps on parading a 4 year old picture to prove that the fuselage of the JF-17 is imported from China. The initial batch had imported fuselages as the manufacturing of it had not been set up at PAC back then. You can go through the JF-17 development threads to find the details.

Dude i have seen pakistani members shouting that tejas cant even fly by parading a video of our republic day where tejas was statically displayed.and they suddenly ignore other videos in which they can see aircraft flying.

 

[HRK]

While in your JV, China did majority of the leg work, because they have an aerospace industry that's significantly older and experienced.

exactly so whats wrong in it .... no one sensible enough ever deny this

So I dont know what people are going about how LCA isnt Indian, but somehow JF is super 100% Pakistani effort.

You are engaging with young trolls & expecting them to talk sensibly ..... its your first mistake that you are expecting too much .... secondly rather to post educative posts & raise the standard of discussion hence denying the opportunity for troll to respond you are lowering your standard this is your second mistake .... as advised earlier 'live up to your reputation'

 

[scientien]

Well in PDF now we got trollers and ranters as MOD and TT. You get warning and negative rating for just replying to troll in a sane way...

Its best to ignore trolls if every Indian starts ignoring them,i know after some time they will stop ignoring,or may be not but it wont matter.

You're telling me you got your first 8 jf17 in 12-13?

Caught red handed dude......