Thats, good for the Chinese. But you don't see the PLAAF flying off with the bird even if China bankrolled it.
Why did the Soviets abandon the Mig-33 concept?
Keep in mind India HAL already has/had a Mig-21 line!
The reason being was because the Mig-21 airframe was no longer cost effective.
The Cold WAR is over. Hence no need for airframes of such calibre.
The J-7 line was almost entirely handed over to PAC but its limited on its growth!
JF-17 shares the same flaws that effected the Mig-21, lowspeed handling and short legs.
Despite the changes, you see the Chinese opting for a heavier J-10 which BTW has a AL-41 engine.
Whats the difference between J-10 and JF-17? Well the J-10 creates more lift at slower speeds, and better wing loading even though the AL-41 engines are NOT easy to replace or maintain. There is also the payload, ceiling, range etc..
Unlike China, Pakistan does not have military sanctions. They had an option to buy Gripens and possible ToT or Rafales. I don't see the logic. It is better than the J-7 but the J-7 in PAF will around a lot longer than Mig-21bisons of IAF. Why didn't the PAF update the J-7s with EW and buy AWACs as a solution?
PAF needs to fit. Not fat. I'm smelling corruption.
It was Chinese AVIC project, but could not find any order from PLAAF, because PLAAF needed long legged fighter planes like Flankers, and they have superior plane called J-10 period. China want to increase its share in the international market which is around 5 percentage and JF-17 is one product of that.
Soviets abandoned the Mig-33 concept due to the lack of the funds. Don't have much time to explain everything, but in short during the Cold War, the soviet lay emphasis on the ground control rather than the aerial platform, thats why they have the superior Ground Radars and Sams. Mig-33 concept was like F-16, cheaper, easy to mass produce, single engine derived from Mig-29 not Mig-21, don't know how do you find anything common with the Mig-21.
JF-17 shares the same flaws like Mig-21 -- What are you smoking. First Mig-21 was powered by tubojet engine and was Delta platform with tail, meant for high speed of max speed match 2.5 and as an interceptor, and JF-17 design is conventional design so better handling in slow speed, and slow speed landing.
There is no comparison of JF-17 and J-10, and J-10 design is better derived from Lavi project with FBW in all axis and use of composites, and the powerplant used in earlier is AL-31 not AL-41 but will be replaced with the Chinese.
I told you earlier on the rule of thumb, that new airframe are always powered by the reliable engine.
J-10 will become the backbone of the PLAAF not the flankers like J-11, J-16 etc.
Grippen was powered by the US engine, so US denied the engine for the export to the Pakistan because it was supplying F-16 to PAF. Second Rafale was out of budget of the PAF.
Upgradation of J-7 comes with the price, and PAF did upgrade J-7 with the itallian Griffo Radar with 30 KM range. The nose inlet design of the J-7 dosen't permit the fitment of the large Radar due to space constrain, and their is no point of upgrading the plane which is likely going to get retired soon. If their won't have been delay, than IAF won't upgrade its 125 Mig-21 to Bison standard for the role as an interceptor.
ADA's and HALs design consulate, at least 1 of the bigger ones was dassualt. Back in the 90s. Why didn't Pakistan try the M-88 engine? Also India 2 was sanctioned. Is Pakistan?
If you wanted to keep people employed at PAC and give them experience, than you should have tagged dassault BAE NOT China. They have a military embargo against them. Ontop of that PAF bought into the JF-17 NOT J-10.
M-88 Engine for JF-17 ?? first it is costly second its dry thrust is less than RD-33/93 Engine. third a plane is always designed around an engine not the opposite, so if you wanna be Gingos to think that engine is just plug and play type stuff believe what you want, other wise the original Mig -33 engine which was the single Mig-29 concept had the same engine of the Mig-29.
For the sanctions to the India -- Do you know F-404 engine for the PV-1, and 2 was bought during that period with 14 units ordered from GE and US didn't stopped the delivery of the F-404 engine to ADA though it blacklisted DRDO.
PAF bought JF-17 not J-10 because thats what they choosed to by joining the project by partially funding the project. So actually its the PAF project not the PAC project funded by PAF.
BVR comes down to missiles. Maybe they'll get their AMRAAMs on the JF_17 but until then SD-10 isn't a R-77 or MICA. If you wanted to put SD-10s on a platform you could have upgraded those J-7s which will fly till?
AMRAAM for JF-17 forget about that. For the BVR, the integration is not that easy, in short, with BVR, the radar is choosen well before and Chinese BVR will be the primrary weapon. Some jignos thinks that R-Darter and A-Darter, but that will comes with the Raven Aesa radar in JF-17. for J-7 I already explain you the lack of size do not permit the bigger radar to be fitted inside the nose of the J-7. For MIG-21 Bison, it was the Russian Kopyoo Radar with 60 KM range, that how India was able to use 2 R-77 BVR for the interceptor role.
It'll keep them employed, but the computers and labs used to design the JF-17 is in Pakistan.
Imagine if ADA was in another country. and yet it is.
Well for the local support, and repair, you don't need the CFD modelling data and the wing tunnel data. Once the design is frozen, the only thing needed to manufacture is the SOP and the drawings. PAC can do small changes, to remove all the glitches or call the chinese AVIC to do so from the inputs from the customer i.e PAF pilots.
CM-400 is ballistic missile right? solid fuel? Heavy right? Whats the problem with Kh-31s? CM-400AKG is the poor mans missile. And like i said. You have various Mirage 3s that could use the missile.
You fail to understand, and now beating the bush. E.g during the Falkland war between Argentina and UK, Argentina was denied the antiship EXOCET missile by france which she needed desperately. In short such weapons are only given to friends or the allies, and are not available freely in the global market.
What like an AESA radar which apparently is now cheap enough for IAF to field on its Jaguar fleets?
AESA Radar in Jaguar is totally a waste, and I think it should be fitted with the EL/M 2032 instead of Aesa 2052, because it is a ground attack fighter plane not the airsuperiority fighter or the dog fighter. The real power of the Jaguar is the capability to fly close to the ground with full load with high speed with the capability to terrain avoidance, terrain hugging to avoid the radar detection, and the NAV attack sensor to put the dumb bombs accurately to the target.
Remember originally the PAF was hunting for other weapons partners in South Africa and Europe looking for missiles and bombs to arm the plane and electronics. Only for the PAF to get told to love Chinese maal.
Pakistan have good ties with the South Africa, and may be funding the A-darter and R-dater, which is derived from the Rafael Python and Derby. The Ra'ad is nothing but the South african Air launch cruise missile developed by Daniel Aerospace Turgus.
China has not finished the WS-10 let alone start another engine project. The RD-93 depends on its funds from JF-17 orders and more importantly the Mig-29 sales.
RD-93 dose not depend on the funds from JF-17, because Mig-29 and Mig- 29K is still there and will be there for a while.
What the PAF needs is fighter like Tejas or Gripen with short take off, landing and MODERN. Of course the radars and AWACs are important.
PAF need the fighter which are cheaper, and provide the PAF weapons and capability enough to protects its airspace.
This all being fun to dispute.
Ans me this. Why would I buy a RD-93 engine from Russia with short life span when I could buy F404 or M-88 with little or no strings attached?
Remember, Russians don't forget their friends. And they fuking hate the people who killed their boys when they tried to save Afghanistan. Everything they have done, so far as relations with Paksitan go have been to keep Pakistan subdued.
Russia is NOT the alternative for Pakistan. Smartly they went to the Chinese, who one way or another, sent them back to Russia!
1. RD-93 is cheaper and JF-17 was designed around it. F-404 could not be ordered by the AVIC from the GE, and M88 engine lack the thrust required. FC-1/JF-17 was designed for the export and to keep the cost low russian engine was choosen. It will be interesting to see the order of the FC-1 when WS-10 engine, which I don't think very soon and with the trainer available and with the Block 3 with the AESA and HOBS missiles in the Global market.
2. There is no friend or enemy in the real international world, and all the deals, friendships changes with the profits and gain.
3. With just few helicopters and few weapons does not meant that Russia is going to give high end weapons to Pakistan thus fortiefy its Indian weapon market which is the biggest in the whole world for the Russian.
